Fallujah, A wake up call in the war on terrorism?

With all that we have seen so far in Iraq and in the overall war on terrorism, Is Fallaujah the ground that the ultimate battle with Islam will have it's begining?

Is it do or die In Fallujah? or more so in Iraq all together?

We can either fight them or walk away now, what do you think this means?

I believe (I know many hate my view) that this is the call to war with Islam, and yes I think this is the point in this war where we will win or lose our future security.

As I see it losing in Fallujah is not an option, but wining is not much better, what else can we do?

Gazz

Fallujah will be crushed, people will die but the American forces will prevail without a doubt.

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this isn't a reply to this post, but i just wanted everyone to know that as a US Marine i commend the support for OUR troops by everyone out there. despite that fact, some people do share ant-war sentiments and for that i throughly understand. but here is a link to our usmc website that proves once and for all that we do take care of the iraqi people. and it also hopefully demostrates that we don't offend human rights or dignities.

southernmarine12176...
Question:
How long was Fallujah under a cease-fire truce?
What is transpiring currently inFallujah was and is an inevitability.


seekerof

I would agree with UM_Gazz that winning at Falluajah and also I might add Najef are very important to overall stability in Iraq down the road, now is the time to be forceful with the insurgents while at the same time sealing the borders with Iran and Syria, not sealing those borders has been a mistake on the coalitions part.

Winning will be the domino that causes the fall of the mullacracy in Iran and later the Baath party in Syria.

To lose and pullout is the domino the will cause the fall of Saudi Arabia and possibly cause WW-4 when Israel takes action to protect national survival.

BTW, I count the war on terror as WW-3 - some might say the cold war was #3 and that we are actually in WW- 4 right now.

Just adding to this little thread here

I was just moments ago watching a report from Iraq on Fox News, and they were speaking with a field commander in battle gear, and his remarks were amazing.

He said that what is going on now in Fallujah is not an offencive operation, and that for now "we are just playing patty-cake with the insurgents" and when we do launch "the offencive" the world will know it.

Gazz



[Edited on 29-4-2004 by UM_Gazz]

These boneheaded warrior thiefs are amazing. There still is no reason for the invasion of Iraq. Oil,,,sheeit. These army guys are acting like they have a right to be there. They dont. They are talking about killing these people who are just trying to protect their country from a bunch of Americans who want to occupy it. They should have a good long talk with the american indians if they want to understand what is happening to their country.
Maybe we will let them have casinos too.

As far as fallujah goes, If this country was invaded and the invaders captured washington, big deal. What does that mean.
They claim fighting is over after the capture of washington and then what,Please good luck trying to get L.A.
There are going to be alot of fallujahs.

Originally posted by UM_Gazz
Just adding to this little thread here

I was just moments ago watching a report from Iraq on Fox News, and they were speaking with a field commander in battle gear, and is remarks were amazing.

He said that what i going on now in Fallujah is not an offencive operation, and that for now "we are just playing patty-cake with the insurgents" and when we do launch "the offencive" the world will know it.

Gazz

So they classify heavy shelling as a game of patty-cake do they? the reason i ask this to the rest of the world there is a difference between heavy shelling and "patty-cake " as they call it, cos we have all played the patty-cake game havnt we? its a harmless game.

[Edited on 28-4-2004 by drunk]

I can imagine from a grunts perspective that arty and spectre gunship attacks would seem to be patty cake as they wear down and demoralize the insurgents before an assault occurs.

I can imagine from a grunts perspective that arty and spectre gunship attacks...

So can I Phoenix....pretty awesome what one Spectre can do:



seekerof

Just ran across this:
Hussein's Agents Behind Attacks, Pentagon Finds

The report states that Iraqi officers of the "Special Operations and Antiterrorism Branch," known within Mr. Hussein's government as M-14, are responsible for planning roadway improvised explosive devices and some of the larger car bombs that have killed Iraqis, Americans and other foreigners. The attacks have sown chaos and fear across Iraq.

In addition, suicide bombers have worn explosives-laden vests made before the war under the direction of of M-14 officers, according to the report, prepared by the Defense Intelligence Agency. The report also cites evidence that one such suicide attack last April, which killed three Americans, was carried out by a pregnant woman who was an M-14 colonel.

The article further adds a precautionary note:

Its findings were based on interrogations with high-ranking M-14 members who are now in American custody, as well as on documents uncovered and translated by the Iraq Survey Group. While the report cites specific evidence, other important assessments of American intelligence on Iraq have been challenged and even proven wrong.

There is also a thread/topic around here somewhere that mentions 'outside' enticement and interventions, naming Syria and Iran as culprits.

Thoughts?


seekerof

[Edited on 28-4-2004 by Seekerof]

The only way this war on terror is going to turn into your so called 'war on islam' is by people like you making ignorant statements like that. The majority of the Muslim world is against terrorism. Its when people assume that Islam and Terrorism are the same thing that these everyday muslim get annoyed. But when people start referring to 'Crusades' and 'War on Islam' that these muslim will then see it as a war of religion. And as much as the USA would like to think its the best, it wont be able to take on the Islamic religion as a whole/

Originally posted by Seekerof
Just ran across this:
Hussein's Agents Behind Attacks, Pentagon Finds
There is also a thread/topic around here somewhere that mentions 'outside' inticement and interventions, naming Syria and Iran as culprits.

Thoughts?


seekerof

Great find seekerof

I find it hard to believe that Saddam is in any way in control of insurgents in Iraq now, But I am sure some of what we are seeing in the way of terrorist attacks in Iraq are staged and done by a select few still loyal to Saddam.

I do believe that Iran and Syria at many levels are involved in the insurgent attacks in Iraq, at some levels it could be as simple as looking the other way and at some level they could be supporting these insurgents.

One thing is for sure Iran and Syria want the USA out of the region, and for me that is motive enough for them to be involved with the insurgents and even supporting them.

Gazz

Originally posted by specialasianX
The only way this war on terror is going to turn into your so called 'war on islam' is by people like you making ignorant statements like that. The majority of the Muslim world is against terrorism. Its when people assume that Islam and Terrorism are the same thing that these everyday muslim get annoyed. But when people start referring to 'Crusades' and 'War on Islam' that these muslim will then see it as a war of religion.

We are not the ones calling this a "holy war" the radical muslims are.

You cannot just deny the connection to Islam and Islam being inside the core of this enemy. They are the ones pushing this issue not I.

If it is a holy war they want so be it ... if they continue attacking us we have no choise but to give them the war they so strongly desire.

Gazz



[Edited on 1-5-2004 by UM_Gazz]

There is also a thread/topic around here somewhere that mentions 'outside' enticement and interventions, naming Syria and Iran as culprits.

This war is about nothing but oil,thats obvious. To get the caspian oil to the mediteranean you need to go through afghanistan,northern iran,iraq and syria. It is not surprising the remaining 2 are going to be next. This has been known for some time. The problem is its working on the people as well as it is. I find it hard to believe the propaganda is so easily swallowed by so many. Oh well, thats probably what they said about the germans too.

Originally posted by ashley
I find it hard to believe the propaganda is so easily swallowed by so many. Oh well, thats probably what they said about the germans too.

I dont mean to sound arrogant, my friend, but you are partially correct. This war IS mostly motivated by oil interests, but it is only a part of the entire story.

On the other hand, your last two sentences that I quoted is a great example for people to learn from. It's easy to eat such heinous propaganda up like a bowl of brownie sundae, and it only becomes difficult and downright disgusting if you become informed as to what is truly disguised as a delcious brownie covered in hot fudge and [your fave ice cream flavor here).

Originally posted by AlnilamOmega
a bowl of brownie sundae, and it only becomes difficult and downright disgusting if you become informed as to what is truly disguised as a delcious brownie covered in hot fudge and [your fave ice cream flavor here).

AH HA!... I stand corrected, I bow to your wisdom this really all is just a battle with radical fudge

It seems you have been force fed more fudge than I!

Really we all have our own opinions here, I respect all and all!

We can together through discussion get much closer to understanding these complex issues.

Thanks everyone

Gazz

[Edited on 29-4-2004 by UM_Gazz]

Originally posted by Seekerof
southernmarine12176...
Question:
How long was Fallujah under a cease-fire truce?
What is transpiring currently inFallujah was and is an inevitability.


Seekerof...well to be honest, the truce was to be only for a week or two. maybe just long enough to hopefully get the Sahdr army to lay down their arms. and on the flip side, it could be the intent of some to try and use the peace process to restore order. i remember a TIME article that i read shortly before i deployed for operation iraqi freedom 1...or OIF1 as we call it...that mentioned there would be an uprising if our forces stayed too long. what transpired in fallujah can be attributed to numberous theories. my first one is that the iraqi people are tired of having thier homes and their privacy invaded every day by us because we are searching for criminals, Baath party members, and weapons. when i was there that was an everyday ordeal. my second is that the word wide media has turned this war from what was supposed to be against terrorism into a money game. that OPEC was bound to raise oil prices and since saudi has a firm grip on OPEC..Iraq is the second largest oil reserve in the middle east. so knowing the media..the story is spun for "informative" purposes and now the world assumes that we were in it for money. honestly, the american economy has thrived after most of our wars...war brings big business and if i was on the outside looking in, maybe i would think the same thing. but i don't. i was there and i tell myself everyday that we did something morally right. saddam killed hundreds of thousands of people with some estimates in the millions with his wrath. maybe we destroyed a modern day hitler and liberated a people...and then again...maybe we created room for another.

Originally posted by ashley
These boneheaded warrior thiefs are amazing. There still is no reason for the invasion of Iraq. Oil,,,sheeit. These army guys are acting like they have a right to be there. They dont. They are talking about killing these people who are just trying to protect their country from a bunch of Americans who want to occupy it. They should have a good long talk with the american indians if they want to understand what is happening to their country.
Maybe we will let them have casinos too.

As far as fallujah goes, If this country was invaded and the invaders captured washington, big deal. What does that mean.
They claim fighting is over after the capture of washington and then what,Please good luck trying to get L.A.
There are going to be alot of fallujahs.

ashley...i was wondering what country do you live in?? because if you live in america then you need to read up on your history. as americans, we have long fought to keep our indepedence. we fought the british when they invaded, we fought the japanese when they attacked pearl harbor, and we fought the germans when they invaded europe. saying "so what if they invaded washington" is like saying "so what if germany conquered all of europe?" i'm honestly glad you're not in charge of anything that has to do with the american government because with that mind set we would have been speaking german along time ago. sure, america has stuck her nose in other people's business. but you have to wonder how many wars did we prevent?? maybe we stopped a modern day hitler.. it wasn't until many years ago that we learned saddaam was killing iranians and his own people with his army. yet, you possibly turned the other cheek..."it isn't happening in my country is probably what you said." just imagine if you lived there...maybe we did some good after all.

Originally posted by UM_Gazz
We are not the ones calling this a "holy war" the radical muslims are.

You cannot just deny the connection to Islam and Islam being inside the core of this enemy. They are the ones pushing this issue not I.

If it is a holy war they want so be it ... if they continue attacking us we have no choise but to give them the war they so strongly desire.

God forbid they should retaliate to bush's holy crusade.

Now that America has pulled out of Fallujah whats the bet they pull another 'shock and awe' reducing the city to rubble. Pathetic, an army that thinks the world of itself cant even defeat some pissed off locals with guns