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Topic started on 15-5-2009 @ 11:24 AM by FlyersFan

That's the title of the article - not my title.

1,225,980 ... and that's just for April!

Story Here from Ammoland

NEWTOWN, Conn. – The upward trend in firearms sales continued in April, marking the sixth consecutive month of significant increases.

Data released by the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) reported 1,225,980 checks in April 2009. This figure is a 30.3 percent increase from the 940,961 reported in April 2008.

FBI background checks are required under federal law for all individuals purchasing either new or used firearms from federally licensed retailers. The checks serve as a gauge of actual sales but do not reflect the actual number of firearms sold, since, following a background check, a customer may decide not to purchase a firearm or may purchase more than one firearm.

The 1,225,980 number may not be accurate. People get the background checks and may not buy a gun ... or they may buy more than one gun. But that's the estimate anyways. 1,225,980 bought by those that follow the background check laws.

No wonder there is an ammo shortage!

Wonder what is driving law abiding Americans to use their second amendment rights to purchase arms? Geee .... hmmm ..... it's not hard to guess why, is it?

[edit on 5/15/2009 by FlyersFan]

reply posted on 15-5-2009 @ 11:45 AM by NatureBoy

wow more crazy people are now armed crazy people.

It kinda scares me even though i don't even live in america - oh well maybe the ensuing chaos will teach more nations to ban guns and the world can just watch america on television, NEW AND BETTER THAN A HOLLYWOOD BLOCKBUSTER- more guns, more gore.......it's DOWNTOWN LA!!

Next up on MurderTeleVision red necks vs tactical police - a larger arsenal than soviet russia, a smaller genepool than the tzarist first family... who will win this weeks round of desperate conquest - the winner will proclaim his new republic and rule all week until the next round begins.

-----oh and incase anyone was wondering, the guns are being smuggled to mexico to be used in the little war they're having (it's much harder to get guns in mexico now they're banned, shame SOMEONE has an open border they can poor across -HA and you explect them to actually help you with your drugs prohibition policy lol,

reply posted on 15-5-2009 @ 12:20 PM by DohBama

reply to post by NatureBoy

of course, anyone who owns or wants to own a gun is crazy... that makes sense.

not.

i suppose wanting to own guns is racist as well?

well, why not?

right out of the alinsky handbook, eh?

we have a right to arm ourselves, against attackers, criminals and most especially, rogue governments.

reply posted on 15-5-2009 @ 12:21 PM by bismarcksea

Still low on ammo in the Denver area from every source.

Gun store shelves are not what you would call "bare" but they have not been able to keep AKs, ARs and other Mil style weapons in stock.

In this area at least, this article holds true.

reply posted on 15-5-2009 @ 12:23 PM by bismarcksea

reply to post by NatureBoy

WOW....Cocaine is a hellova drug!

Please tell us that you don't actually believe what you just typed!

reply posted on 15-5-2009 @ 12:24 PM by andy1033

Thats just over the top isn't it. The military industrial complex must be happy, lol.

How many of those gun owners would actually use those things in real life situations, like katrina. We saw in katrina people will do nothing to the ptb, and the government can just take there weapons.

If you guys have brought all those things,a nd have no real world expectation of ever using them, why did you buy all those guns?

reply posted on 15-5-2009 @ 12:41 PM by exile1981

No wonder ammo is so scarce. I'm having problems finding certain types of .22 rounds in my local store.

While I love the fact that so many people are exercising there 2nd ammendment rights, I'd like to see just as many people working towards exercising there 1st ammendment rights by starting new media sources not tied into the MSM.

reply posted on 15-5-2009 @ 02:32 PM by FlyersFan

Originally posted by andy1033
The military industrial complex must be happy,

Boeing, Lockheed, etc don't have anything to do with private gun ownership.

Originally posted by NatureBoy
wow more crazy people are now armed crazy people.

Uh ... no.

More LAW ABIDING AMERICANS can now protect themselves from the criminals who are running around with illegal guns and nefarious plans to use them.

And more LAW ABIDING AMERICANS are exercising their second amendments rights which scares the hell out of the NWO folks who want to destroy our Constitution.

reply posted on 15-5-2009 @ 07:16 PM by riff_raff

"Wonder what is driving law abiding Americans to use their second amendment rights to purchase arms?"

The 2nd amendment is the only thing that guarantees the other 26 amendments. That's why nanny-state liberals despise it so. They see the US Constitution as nothing more than an impediment to their rightful control of US citizens lives.

As for lawful purchasers of handguns being "crazy", just the opposite is true. An individual with a history of mental illness cannot legally purchase a firearm. This is obviously the reason why no liberals purchase firearms.

reply posted on 15-5-2009 @ 07:21 PM by 5thElement

reply to post by NatureBoy

The good thing is: nobody dares to invade us ...

The bad thing is: one day we will self destruct, than ya all can come in and start from the scratch

reply posted on 16-5-2009 @ 02:43 AM by cyberdude78

reply to post by NatureBoy

Seeing as you're not living in the United States, I'm guessing that you probably don't have a very good understanding of how firearms tie into our culture. It has a lot less to do with the military-industrial complex or violence in media than you would think.

The vast majority of firearms here in the US are owned by law abiding citizens, and out of those legally owned firearms the amount used in crimes is extremely small. In our culture guns are essentially viewed as tools. Much like you would use a wrench for tightening a bolt, a firearm is used for the task of defending oneself or providing a source of food.

It's in our culture that we don't trust our government. Hence we don't trust the police to get there in time. No matter how good the police are their response time is always measured in minutes. Sadly that's just not good enough if you're about to be a victim, in which the amount of time you have to react is measured in seconds. Simply put, the police cannot be there in time to protect you. Now a shotgun on the other hand is virtually guaranteed to solve a problem so long as the user use's the tool properly.

I really don't see any alternative. The sad truth is that there are evil people out there in the world who will hurt others with no hesitation, and when they decide you have something they want then most of the time it's going to take something with the potential to kill the assailant in order for the target to get out of the situation alive. Ban guns and you essentially make it illegal to defend yourself. Gun bans equate to the government giving criminals the green light to do as they please.

reply posted on 16-5-2009 @ 06:23 AM by FlyersFan

Originally posted by cyberdude78
It's in our culture that we don't trust our government. .

I think that's the reason for the spike in sales as well.

Millions of people don't trust the obama administration, or the feds in general. An armed population isn't as easily enslaved.

Millions of people don't think that law enforcement can keep up with criminals. We need self protection.

reply posted on 16-5-2009 @ 08:27 AM by jkm1864

Originally posted by NatureBoy
wow more crazy people are now armed crazy people.

It kinda scares me even though i don't even live in america - oh well maybe the ensuing chaos will teach more nations to ban guns and the world can just watch america on television, NEW AND BETTER THAN A HOLLYWOOD BLOCKBUSTER- more guns, more gore.......it's DOWNTOWN LA!!

Next up on MurderTeleVision red necks vs tactical police - a larger arsenal than soviet russia, a smaller genepool than the tzarist first family... who will win this weeks round of desperate conquest - the winner will proclaim his new republic and rule all week until the next round begins.

-----oh and incase anyone was wondering, the guns are being smuggled to mexico to be used in the little war they're having (it's much harder to get guns in mexico now they're banned, shame SOMEONE has an open border they can poor across -HA and you explect them to actually help you with your drugs prohibition policy lol,

First off I have plenty of guns and I am no red neck. I work in a highly specialized field providing navigation and asbuilt imformation in the gulf of mexico. You can't take the average dumb ass on the beach and expect Him to do my job. So I don't take to kindly with being called a red neck because its painting people with a broad brush. As a matter of fact most conservatives that You call red necks are the business owners, lawyers, doctors, & any other profesional thats the foundation of this country. I think You been watching to much brain washed TV and You seem to be quite comfortable with spitting out the mindless dribble. Another point Automatic weapons are illegal in this country so You please tell Me how they end up in mexico. The fact is the mexican drug cartels get their weapons from arms smugglers and if those smugglers happen to be from the US is a moot point. So don't blame law abiding citizens such as me for the illegal arms trade because We don't even have access to the weapons they are using in mexico.

reply posted on 16-5-2009 @ 08:29 PM by cyberdude78

Automatic weapons aren't entirely illegal, but they are well restricted. There's a lot of legal hoops that you have to jump through, a lot of registration that needs to be done, and some pretty steep taxes that have to be paid. But it is possible to legally own an automatic firearm. With that being said the total amount of legally owned automatic firearms ever used in a crime in the US totals two. Only two crimes, out of all the legally owned automatic firearms in the US. The rest of them were not legally owned.

Now as to the reason behind this spike, I do happen to think it's related to the mistrust of the Obama administration. However to be more specific I think that the fact that he's a supporter of gun control is scaring people into purchasing firearms while they still can before more gun control makes legal purchase any more difficult than it already is.

reply posted on 16-5-2009 @ 09:48 PM by mattifikation

Originally posted by NatureBoy
wow more crazy people are now armed crazy people.

Have you seen the medical records of everyone who's purchased a gun? Why do you assume they are crazy? Here's the thing with that... anyone who is known to be crazy or has a criminal record is unable to purchase a firearm. So chances are good that the vast, vast majority of those gun purchases were by perfectly sane, law abiding people.

It kinda scares me even though i don't even live in america - oh well maybe the ensuing chaos will teach more nations to ban guns and the world can just watch america on television, NEW AND BETTER THAN A HOLLYWOOD BLOCKBUSTER- more guns, more gore.......it's DOWNTOWN LA!!

If you don't live in America, but you're still scared of what happens here... I suggest you quit being such a sissy. At any rate, I fail to see what chaos will ensue. More criminals will be afraid of their victims now... I think that will prevent chaos, not cause it.

Next up on MurderTeleVision red necks vs tactical police - a larger arsenal than soviet russia, a smaller genepool than the tzarist first family... who will win this weeks round of desperate conquest - the winner will proclaim his new republic and rule all week until the next round begins.

And how many rounds of desperate conquest have occurred in the United States?

-----oh and incase anyone was wondering, the guns are being smuggled to mexico to be used in the little war they're having (it's much harder to get guns in mexico now they're banned, shame SOMEONE has an open border they can poor across -HA and you explect them to actually help you with your drugs prohibition policy lol,

Interesting. You've actually managed to prove a point that you yourself have missed entirely. Guns are banned in Mexico, now only criminals have them, and as a result the criminals are waging a war against the government. Who could ever have predicted that would be the result? Oh, yes, that's right. The "crazy people with guns" have been saying it all along.

Oh, and here's a little factoid, genius: The claim that the Mexican criminals are getting their guns from the U.S. has been proven to be largely a lie.

reply posted on 17-5-2009 @ 01:51 PM by Wembley

For a conspiracy forum, I'm amazined nobody has pointed out the obvious: based entirely on rumor, someone has been making big $$$ out of guns and ammo.

Who exactly is profiting from this, and where do the rumors come from?

..or is someone trying to set up a conflict between the new adminsitration and one segment of the population? Great way of destablising the US, and right when it's suffering from other shocks too. Maybe some pro-gun extremists will start taking shots at the President.

reply posted on 17-5-2009 @ 08:24 PM by riff_raff

Originally posted by Wembley

For a conspiracy forum, I'm amazined nobody has pointed out the obvious: based entirely on rumor, someone has been making big $$$ out of guns and ammo.

Hey Captain Obvious,

The largest handgun maker in the U.S. is losing money:

finance.yahoo.com...

These rumors get started by clueless liberal dimwits who have no grasp of facts.

reply posted on 18-5-2009 @ 04:17 PM by projectvxn

reply to post by NatureBoy

This comment is typical of non-Americans who are used to having their respective governments do everything for them including wiping their butts.
We can fight back if our government starts putting the clamp down. Can you say the same?

reply posted on 18-5-2009 @ 04:23 PM by dooper

reply to post by FlyersFan

That's what most of these gun-fearing pansies are missing.

These are the LEGAL, LAWFUL Americans applying for these clearances.

The criminal elements don't go through the legal firearm purchasing process.

So the larger these numbers are, the better America is.

The last time I went to the gun store, I bought four rifles and two more handguns.

Rarely do people who go to all that trouble fail to purchase a firearm.

I'm in the wrong business. I should be manufacturing quality ammunition in the popular calibers for bulk purchase.

reply posted on 18-5-2009 @ 05:31 PM by mattifikation

The only thing I see wrong with this gun rush is that supply isn't meeting demand. It's too expensive to feed my guns. Recently I found a store that actually still keeps 9mm in stock. I'm not sharing.

For those who want to live in a country where guns are illegal, there's a perfectly good Mexico just south of the border. Or, if you prefer to stay in America and enjoy living where guns are heavily restricted, you can try your luck in Detroit. :-)

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