Hell is Here

If you define hell as a reality where freedom of expression and thought is regulated, judged and punished, then the news that a person in Australia faces 14 yrs imprisonment for posting via you tube alleged anti semitic words.

I have not viewed his words Iam afraid to.

Oh well freedom was once a thing taken for granted, but alas no more.

Its all over red rover.

Yeah because being a racist bigot should be applauded...

I don't see why you think it's a bad thing charging a guy who filmed himself verbally abusing people minding their own business.

If he was just voicing his opinion I doubt there would be a problem, it's when you go out of your way to search out people just to abuse them, that's where the book should be thrown as hard and fast as possible.



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Hell is what you believe, so is Heaven.

I think we just have to try.

Originally posted by Chadwickus
Yeah because being a racist bigot should be applauded...

I don't see why you think it's a bad thing charging a guy who filmed himself verbally abusing people minding their own business.

If he was just voicing his opinion I doubt there would be a problem, it's when you go out of your way to search out people just to abuse them, that's where the book should be thrown as hard and fast as possible.



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As stated in op I have not viewed u tube transgression.

What did he say?

Iam afraid to look , I can say anything I want about anyone.. but those who I cannot say anything about

This is HELL.

Originally posted by Dr Conspire

This is HELL.

Don't you think that is a rather strong statement to make as long as you haven't even watched the video?

And it's not like I have any wish to hear this person and his racist rants, so I won't do a search for it. But it would be a good idea to post the video in your OP since you found the subject important enough to start a thread about it.

Just saying.

reply to post by Dr Conspire


Well watch it before you judge it.

It might just change your stance on it...

reply to post by ziggystar60


I think the youtube video has been removed.

Here's an article about it:

A MAN who allegedly posted anti-semitic videos on the website YouTube has been charged with attempting to incite racial animosity and racial harassment.

Police said the 39-year-old Perth man is only the second person to be charged under racial vilification laws introduced by Western Australia's previous Labor Government four years ago.

A police spokesman said the man had been bailed ahead of a court appearance on the charge, which carries a maximum penalty of 14 years' jail.

He is understood to have been arrested by officers from WA's intelligence investigation unit yesterday, after posting video of himself making anti-Semitic comments in front of Perth's Bell Tower and a South Perth supermarket.

www.news.com.au...

reply to post by Chadwickus


Thanks for telling me that, without any link or sources I didn't know what video the OP was talking about or that it had been removed.

And this guy sounds like a really charming fellow... I doesn't bother me much that he is removed from the streets for a while. Sounds like he could use a timeout.

Originally posted by Chadwickus
Yeah because being a racist bigot should be applauded...

I don't see why you think it's a bad thing charging a guy who filmed himself verbally abusing people minding their own business.

If he was just voicing his opinion I doubt there would be a problem, it's when you go out of your way to search out people just to abuse them, that's where the book should be thrown as hard and fast as possible.



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YOU have the right to dislike or hate anyone you choose, it'll start with this then progress to even insulting anyone on the net will get you imprisoned. A very bad move indeed.

reply to post by spitefulgod


Here's the racial vilification law in more detail:

www.hreoc.gov.au...

Seems to spell it out quite clearly.

Research the meaning of semitic or semites! I read in a old high school students dictionary the meaning. SEMITIC means Afro Asiatic Language and Cultures consisting of Hebrew, arabic and ahmaric! So what does this mean, that people who use the term anti semitic dont even know the meaning of the word. The so Called jews Stole the African legacy a long time ago and the bible tells us this in revolution. People u need not just study these forums but study this garbage language we speak which is the lauguage of the witch! we dont even understand what we speak and say! I did not research the meaning of this word because of this post i was just studying words and this word happen to come up one day! If you are european or anybody i would advise a deeper study in ancient africans because we were the original people and alot of the answers u are looking for are held in the people who have been oppressed by everyone on this planet since we stated this experiment 6,000 years ago with adam and eve! Black people are the alpha and omega. Thats one of the biggest secrets being hidden from you! Jut do your research please u can find plenty answers in the hood! Smile

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by spitefulgod

 

Here's the racial vilification law in more detail:

www.hreoc.gov.au...

Seems to spell it out quite clearly.

Yes it does.

We are all doomed.

Imagine a world say in the year 1933 where those attacking German policies in public were arrested in Australia or England,these are the laws of dictators ,it takes away a very fundamental right of human beings...the right to say what you believe. (right or wrong)

reply to post by Chadwickus

Laws and punitive action wil do NOTHING to disipate the underlying issues of racial tensions.

In fact it will promote even more profound tensions of race issues.

The penalty of such a racist should be Mandatory Education and forced integrated sessions with the opposite race he misunderstands.

It is about being ignorant and lack of exposure to the individuals that make up a race.

reply to post by FX44rice


You're right, it will no doubt do anything to quell this mans hate.



reply to post by Dr Conspire

Why are we doomed?

This case is only the second time this law has been used since it's inception, the first was thrown out of court.

So it's not like it's being abused or anything.







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Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by FX44rice

 

You're right, it will no doubt do anything to quell this mans hate.



reply to post by Dr Conspire

 

Why are we doomed?

This case is only the second time this law has been used since it's inception, the first was thrown out of court.

So it's not like it's being abused or anything.







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The right to criticise is what has enabled dictators and despots to have such a short life span, we for Gods sake can criticise GOD.

We are not imprisoned for attacking God in Britain, USA, or Australia thank GOD.

But criticise some and .....

That is why we are now in HELL.

Think long and hard.

Originally posted by Chadwickus
Yeah because being a racist bigot should be applauded...

I don't see why you think it's a bad thing charging a guy who filmed himself verbally abusing people minding their own business.

If he was just voicing his opinion I doubt there would be a problem, it's when you go out of your way to search out people just to abuse them, that's where the book should be thrown as hard and fast as possible.

Applauded? Did you really need to take it to the opposite extreme? Are you in such a dualistic reality that you think there is only 1 sides to something, you can ever support or applaud it, or think the person needs to spend their life in jail?

I think racism is disgusting and ignorant, right up there with people who want to punish others for the things they say.

Whats bad is that saying something shouldn't be a crime in itself. If he is taking actions against others etc, then you have a case. Of which, those things are already illegal.

reply to post by badmedia


No I was just making a point.

Remember, the racist remarks aren't what got this guy arrested.

Read the article that I posted, it says he was arrested for trying to incite racial animosity and racial harassment.

Here is the difference from voicing an opinion to seeking out a certain race or group of people and harass them.

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by badmedia

 

No I was just making a point.

Remember, the racist remarks aren't what got this guy arrested.

Read the article that I posted, it says he was arrested for trying to incite racial animosity and racial harassment.

Here is the difference from voicing an opinion to seeking out a certain race or group of people and harass them.

Ok, so then this asks the question - what kind of racist remark isn't considered to be "inciting racial animosity and racial harassment"? I would say that any racist remark is doing exactly that.

It sucks that I am having to defend this ignorant person, but that's the real price of freedom. It's just thought police is all it is. I'm sorry, but I'd rather live in a world where people learn how to deal with other peoples opinions and not be "offended" than live in a world where everyone is on pins and needles worried about if what they say might offend someone.

Are we going to start arresting people with non-mainstream opinions now? Afterall, if someone complains or doesn't like something, can't we just say - they are inciting animosity and harassment among those who believe otherwise.

Are we going to start arresting non-Christians who say god isn't real saying they are inciting animosity and harassment of those who believe in such things? Or how about the reverse of that, we start arresting Christians because their belief in god is inciting animosity and harassment among atheists.

reply to post by Dr Conspire


Hi Conspire, do you have the original article/source.
I am in Australia and have heard nothing of the sort. Although I'd be interested to see that!

reply to post by badmedia


We need to establish if you've seen the video in question.

If you have, then there is not a lot more I can say.

If you haven't seen the video then you're not seeing where he films himself at a shopping centre approaching people who he believes to be Jewish and racially abusing them.

This act alone is why he has been arrested.

This is why the racial vilification law was passed, to protect people from being directly attacked (verbally or physically).