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Originally posted by Roark
Heya all,
What's the big deal with 9-11? There seem to be quite a few people on this forum (and other forums) suggesting that the events of 9-11:
a.) Have been prophesied
OR
b.) are a sign of the apocalypse
OR
c.) Both.
I realise that every generation thinks it's pretty special and that it potentially lives in "the end times". Hell, Jesus' contemporaries thought they did. Same with folk from the medieval era. I guess it's a problem with vagaries in prophecy such as (*solemn voice*) "It will be a time of war and natural disaaaaasters!!" (I mean, what era DOESN'T have wars and natural disasters???) But I digress...
What I specifically fail to understand is... why 9-11? Why should 9-11 be considered a big deal from a religious perspective? 3000 people died. Yes, this is a tragedy for anyone who lost family or friends, but it's really not a huge event in religious terms, nor the history of civilisation. Why would St John's Revelation, or any other prophetic scripture, refer to 9-11 when there are so many other massive events in history which completely eclipse it?
The Irish Potato Famine in 1848 took a million souls. A drought in Gansu, China in 1920 led to the deaths of 20 million! A quarter of the population of Cambodia died under Pol Pot's oppression. The Black Death took a half of Europe to the grave!
In terms of disasters, 9-11 is pretty infinitesimal compared to these.
So, why the focus on 9-11? Is it because it happened in the United States? Does that make it somehow more significant? Do some people think that the United States has some major role in the events of the apocalypse, and that THIS is why 9-11 features in ancient prophecy?
*Or does the whole thing speak rather more loudly of a myopic and US-centric viewpoint, indicating that the bearer of said viewpoint really just needs to... get out more?
Thanks.
(*OK, that was a bit cheeky, but I meant it as a bit of fun.)
Originally posted by Miraj
reply to post by ntech
Except the Persians never stirred up hate for the US. We did by over reacting and invading countries.
Also Osama Bin Laden wasn't Persian. It just doesn't fit on many levels when you critically look at the prophecy provided.
Originally posted by ntech
Originally posted by Miraj
reply to post by ntech
Except the Persians never stirred up hate for the US. We did by over reacting and invading countries.
Also Osama Bin Laden wasn't Persian. It just doesn't fit on many levels when you critically look at the prophecy provided.
Hmmmm....History lesson. 1979. Jimmy Carter and the hostage crisis. The Iranian leaders since Khomeini have been pushing hate against the US for 30 years.
en.wikipedia.org...
2nd lesson..Daniel was supposedly written about 500BC. At that time "Persia" stretched from India to Eygpt. In fact the name "Persia" is just an obsolete term for the middle east. Osama would be considered Persian by the author of the prophecy.
And Saudi Arabia really fits the description of the nation that was richer than the rest.
And when 2500 year old end of the world prophesies go 3 for 3 well, I get nervous.
Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
911 happened on our doorstep.
When a crime occurs, what happens.
The neighborhood is searched.
You don't go far to find conspirators unless it was
done by these random truck driver serial killers.
Never seen a religious 911 Prophecy only
about the Anti Christ and don't see anyone
faking levitation yet.
Originally posted by ntech
Why 9-11?
Because it could be a sign. Thats why. For thousands of years various religions have warned of an Apocalypse coming to end the world and start a new one. Genesis 49 with it's reference to Shilo is an end time reference which must be around 4 thousand years old. When a 2500 year old end times prophecy suddenly goes 3 for 3 it's something to worry about. And combined with various other prophesies I have been looking into it appears that the end times are now.
It's like the movie Dante's Peak.
movies.yahoo.com...
The sesmic sensors are starting to go off. All things considered it would be time to hit the panic button. Only problem is that people have cried wolf about the end times so many times you couldn't be taken seriously about it.
Matthew 24 says that most people will be taken unawares by the end time.
Disaster will overtake them and many will suffer and die.
Of course I'm merely leaving notes in the internet predicting the future in the hope they survive the disaster and someone later realizes that someone knew the future. That OBama was the last President of the US. And that America forgot that they were subject to the compact of Leviticus 26. Which seems to be the crux of the matter. The end times are a winnowing process. Sifting the good from the bad. The wheat from the tares. Leading to a final sterlization of evil from the world.
So would you go to the barn or the bonfire?
[edit on 20-5-2009 by ntech]
Originally posted by xxpigxx
reply to post by Locoman8
Just to make two lines . . .
What is the context of that verse?
Originally posted by Locoman8
reply to post by ntech
You are off your rocker with your interpretation of the first 5 seals. The first seal or horseman is a reference to the anti-christ or false messiah. Notice later in revelation there is a man on a white horse with a sword coming from His mouth. This is Jesus Christ, the true Messiah. The false messiah being different has a bow instead of a sword. Also your interpretation of the saints in heaven are obsolite when reading the verse in John 3:13 "No man has accended into heaven except He who came from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in Heaven." No man enters heaven. We are meant for the earth. The saints will rule with Christ here on earth.... not in heaven. The saints will not resurrect until after the tribulation or 7th seal and 7th trumpet. You want some real prophecy for 9-11? Read this my friend....
Isaiah 30:25
"There will be on every high mountain and on every high hill
Rivers and streams of waters, in the day of the great slaughter,
When the TOWERS FALL."