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Adam and Eve debunked...

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posted on May, 14 2009 @ 12:17 PM
Adam and Eve debunked...

Most people are familiar with the story of Adam and Eve. How everything was perfect until the devil, serpent, came and screwed everything up. Actually, the serpent never did lie nor did he trick Eve into eating the forbidden fruit. Not only is this a big misconception, but I will show how the story of Adam and Eve holds no credibility. I'm going to put numbers in places that I will refer to later for credibility.

From the KJV:

Chapter 1:
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. (1)
28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. (1)

Genesis 2
1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. (1)
3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. (1)
4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. (1)
9And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. (2)
10And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
11The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
13And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
14And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. (2)
18And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
19And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

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posted on May, 14 2009 @ 12:18 PM
20And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
21And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
25And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Genesis 3

1Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? (3)(4)
2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. (2)
4And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: (3)
5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. (3)
6And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. (5)
7And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
8And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
9And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
10And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
11And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? (2)
12And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
13And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
14And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. (6)
16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. (1)
17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; (1)
18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
20And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
21Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

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posted on May, 14 2009 @ 12:19 PM
22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
23Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
24So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. (1)

First, I want people to understand that I am writing this to prove that you can not take the Bible verbatim. That you shouldn't believe anything you hear and should prove to yourself that it is real or not. Okay, now on with the debate.

Every time I marked a (1) it represented God as a male being or man. The Bible text gives God the (he) characteristic. Now how can one prove that God is a male being and not a female being? How could God have any human characteristic since God is not human? If God is everything and inside each and everyone of us then God can not be a he or she.

The mark (2) represents characteristics that just can not be explained. For example, if God knew that Adam and Eve would eat of the forbidden tree then why would God put the tree in the garden? What would cause God to lie and say the forbidden tree will cause them to die, even if you touch it? Then God ask Adam and Eve why they ate of the tree when God already knew, because God does know everything. It just does not add up.

Then it just gets weirder: Mark (3) serpent talks.

All of a sudden a serpent comes around that can talk and is also given the male characteristic (he). Know we are at the part where the serpent is suppose to trick Eve, right? Wrong, the serpent never lies to Eve. Actually, the serpent told the whole truth and not the lie God gave about death. Neither does Eve say the snake tricked, deceived, manipulated her into eating the forbidden fruit. Mark (5): She just became aware that she wouldn't die and would gain wisdom; which again is the truth. No where does God blame the serpent for tricking Eve; instead God curses the serpent.

Now this is a very mysterious part: God talking to the serpent.
15And I will put enmity

posted on May, 14 2009 @ 12:19 PM
Now this is a very mysterious part: God talking to the serpent.
15And I will put enmity

posted on May, 14 2009 @ 12:23 PM
The story of Adam and Eve never made much sense to me. Especially when they get cast out of Eden into a city populated with other people.

posted on May, 14 2009 @ 12:40 PM
reply to post by beautyfrompain

I hear ya! Also when Kane was banished for killing Able and went off and found himself another bird. What the? Where did she come from? What was the only other alternative? To shack up with his mother? Jeez! What a choice! No wonder he wanted out!

Obviously he saw the writing on the wall and it was all a bit too weird.

The 'Mark of Kane' is the mark of a savvy dude if you ask me!

IRM :shk:

[edit on 14/5/09 by InfaRedMan]

posted on May, 14 2009 @ 12:45 PM
reply to post by beautyfrompain

See, the problem here is that you think that the Pentatauch stands alone, and is the only source of information on this matter. There are actually many volumes passed down over thousands of years that elaborate on the details. Maybe G-d wasnt that mad that they ate of the tree. Perhaps G-d resented Adam for blaming Him for giving him a defective wife that in turn led Adam astray? Perhaps the Earth was already teemimg with Homo-Sapiens, yet Adam and Eve were the only ones imbued with a "Soul". All this and more can be easliy found with even a cursory glance at the original texts.

posted on May, 14 2009 @ 12:53 PM

Originally posted by dashen
Perhaps G-d resented Adam for blaming Him for giving him a defective wife that in turn led Adam astray?

I think it was just bad karma coming back on Adam for trading his first wife (Lilith) in for a newer model (Eve). Lilith was an independent thinker and poor Adam got all bummed out. Perhaps he should have stayed with the woman who had more brains after all?

Just sayin...

IRM :shk:

posted on May, 14 2009 @ 11:18 PM
reply to post by dashen

defective often throughour history have the women been blamed...If she actually came from Adams rib then the defect is obviously in the original design...

And with regards to Lilith his alleged first wife...who originated from..? possibly the beings created in Gen 1, as I stand by Gen 2 (creator being LORD God) are separate beings, explaining why Cain went off to the land of Nod and found himself a wife from the first creation (Gen 1 by God)... so back to Adam not being able to make up his mind on who his women should be...this one or that one or all of them, sounds defective thought patterns that have unfortunately been genetically linked to modern day keep the humor, peace to all

[edit on 14-5-2009 by flashesofblue]

posted on May, 14 2009 @ 11:47 PM

1. The representation of abstract ideas or principles by characters, figures, or events in narrative, dramatic, or pictorial form.
2. A story, picture, or play employing such representation. John Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress and Herman Melville's Moby Dick are allegories.
2. A symbolic representation: The blindfolded figure with scales is an allegory of justice.

allegory, a story or visual image with a second distinct meaning partially hidden behind its literal or visible meaning.

Focusing on it literally just means you won't understand it. It's not meant to be taken literally. The movie the matrix is an allegorical movie.

posted on May, 15 2009 @ 12:24 AM
a few more points long these lines

who was god growing the fruit of knowledge of good and evil for anyway

adam and eve weren’t immortal because
gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

or if adam had had any courage he could have pushed god into some bushes and made a run for this other fruit – we could all have been in full ***GOD MODE***

posted on May, 15 2009 @ 02:27 PM
reply to post by bputman

There was an episode of History Channel's show Mega Disasters on super volcanoes. It seems the last one to erupt happened 75,000 years ago. The human population suffered tremendously because of the volcanic winter that lasted over a decade.

It seems that our genetic pool is much closer because of the much smaller population. It is estimated that only 30,000 people were around by the time the Earth got back to her normal cycles. Scientists have stated that our DNA is all very close with very little diversity, unlike all the other species of this world. Perhaps this is where the Adam and Eve myth started?

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