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Let me know if you want two compatriots- we're ready to bounce, as well, after hearing those two words- mandatory and vaccination- in the same
sentence. Gun-point medicine kind of reminds me of why the trials at Nurmburg took place- I won't be part of a second project for the 3rd generation
Dr. Mengele's...
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reply posted on 16-5-2009 @ 05:26 AM by CultureD
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Dream-
I never had allergies until I began to get the annual flu shot- around 19 or 20 years old- in college. I became allergic to plants, animals, etc. Now- some 15-20 years later, I've developed a few food allergies, although I've stopped injections, ecxept for HEP B (I worked with blood-borne paths in labs) and one flu shot last year before a business trip to Asia (that made me violently ill for 2 weeks). I then got the worst flu I can remember end of Feb/early March- down for 3 weeks. With all of the components of the vaccines on the market- from preservatives to adjuvants, etc., I'm not surprised we have been sensitized allergically.
Great link between the two- star and flag and all the accolades I can give.
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Dream-
I never had allergies until I began to get the annual flu shot- around 19 or 20 years old- in college. I became allergic to plants, animals, etc. Now- some 15-20 years later, I've developed a few food allergies, although I've stopped injections, ecxept for HEP B (I worked with blood-borne paths in labs) and one flu shot last year before a business trip to Asia (that made me violently ill for 2 weeks). I then got the worst flu I can remember end of Feb/early March- down for 3 weeks. With all of the components of the vaccines on the market- from preservatives to adjuvants, etc., I'm not surprised we have been sensitized allergically.
Great link between the two- star and flag and all the accolades I can give.
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reply posted on 16-5-2009 @ 05:42 AM by jfj123
Originally posted by getreadyalready
Flu vaccine is a different story for now, but if it becomes mandatory it will have approximately the same amount of participation.
You have no way of knowing that. As example, I asked a bunch of people I know and only about 1 in 4 said they would comply. Most said they would have nothing to do with flu shots no matter what. Of course I have no way of knowing if this is representative of the entire population. Ask a bunch of your friends and family and see what they say. I'm curious.
We currently house approximately 1% of the population behind bars. Add in the assistance of National Guard, Military, or FEMA camps and the physical challenge of containing several million people does not seem insurmountable.
www.washingtonpost.com...
Again, keep in mind that the government couldn't help/house the katrina victims effectively.
And finally, I am not playing chicken little. I don't think there will be mass imprisonment, or martial law, but it is certainly a possibility that has been discussed by the government, and laws put into affect to expedite the process.
Let's say person A gets the swine flu. We know it's very contagious and certain segments of the population are very susceptible to it and it can kill them. We know there is short incubation period for the swine flu and typically you're only contagious for a week. Wouldn't you stay home for a week instead of walk through your community, putting everyone else at risk?
The point of my post was to make sure everyone is aware that mass vaccinations with punitive consequences are already part of the existing emergency plan for a pandemic. Mandatory vaccination will come in small increments, and most people will comply, others will be chastised by their doctors or ridiculed by their peers until they comply, and the few that are left will be easy to contain.
1. Yes most will comply
2. Yes doctors might pressure their patients to get the shots for their own good.
3. Of course friends and family will ask you to get the shots because they don't want to see you die.
You seem to be playing it like it's a massive conspiracy. I tend to believe that people would want you to get the shots because they generally care about your well being.
I would also like to clarify that I am not against all vaccines. I voluntarily go in for my tetanus shot, because I tend to injure myself a lot. I would gladly accept all the recommended vaccines before leaving the country. I just think it should be a choice in all cases. I am not for mandatory anything!
[edit on 15-5-2009 by getreadyalready]
We can absolutely agree on this !!!!
Your last quote sums up EXACTLY how I feel about the whole thing. I do think everyone should take personal responsibility and the government wouldn't have an excuse to mandate vaccinations.
But you are 110% correct. Once our choice is taken from us, we are not Americans anymore.
reply posted on 16-5-2009 @ 05:44 AM by CultureD
reply to post by gavinaskew
Re: missing samples from Ft. Detrick: it was published about 8 weeks ago that they had "lost" three vials of Venezuelan Equine Encephalitis (VEE). In the article you linked, there are no references to what went missing.
The VEE report was either truthful or a psyop- or it was a strain of flu.
I think it's interesting (in a cynical, disgusted way) that the Army were the first to report missing VEE samples (how could someone walk out of Ft. Detrick with ANYTHING from the labs?). Now- the Army is not saying explicitly what went missing. I think the Army, Gov., etc., think this public has about a 5 minute short-term memory...and maybe many do- but thousands- even millions of us paid attention and now want to know EXACTLY what dissapeared.
Great link! Thank you
Re: missing samples from Ft. Detrick: it was published about 8 weeks ago that they had "lost" three vials of Venezuelan Equine Encephalitis (VEE). In the article you linked, there are no references to what went missing.
The VEE report was either truthful or a psyop- or it was a strain of flu.
I think it's interesting (in a cynical, disgusted way) that the Army were the first to report missing VEE samples (how could someone walk out of Ft. Detrick with ANYTHING from the labs?). Now- the Army is not saying explicitly what went missing. I think the Army, Gov., etc., think this public has about a 5 minute short-term memory...and maybe many do- but thousands- even millions of us paid attention and now want to know EXACTLY what dissapeared.
Great link! Thank you
reply posted on 16-5-2009 @ 05:52 AM by CultureD
reply to post by gavinaskew
Re: Baxter release.
This is very scary. A live vaccine- even as it's being administered (at your local pharmacy, while people wait in line) or while being handled in a lab, etc., is just that: LIVE.
I worked at Baxter (briefly) until I found WHO samples against which we were constructing an assay (ELISA) which were meant to be at -20 degrees F--- and the samples were in the lunch fridge of the lab office. I left for lunch and never returned. They are a shady, irresponsible group- and that's one of the USA affiliates. God only knows what this could cause. I know for a fact one simple thing- after working for them, Abbott, and the Government, in infectious disease, cancer, biodefense and drug development- and having seen 15 years of lying, fudging data and stone cold disregard for life- I will never consume a product they make- nor will I trust the FDA (who approved these things). And anecdotally- many of the FDA auditors of the pharma labs have degrees in English or History- only about 1 in 10 had a science background!
As well- and believe this from one who was there- the concept of "biodefense" is a psych trip. Government labs all over the country are making weaponized strains of everything they can. The US is fully prepared to destroy any and all countries with microbes- take your pick.
Remember the first Anthrax attack on Capitol Hill was domestic- the Ames strain of anthrax- made right here at home.
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Re: Baxter release.
This is very scary. A live vaccine- even as it's being administered (at your local pharmacy, while people wait in line) or while being handled in a lab, etc., is just that: LIVE.
I worked at Baxter (briefly) until I found WHO samples against which we were constructing an assay (ELISA) which were meant to be at -20 degrees F--- and the samples were in the lunch fridge of the lab office. I left for lunch and never returned. They are a shady, irresponsible group- and that's one of the USA affiliates. God only knows what this could cause. I know for a fact one simple thing- after working for them, Abbott, and the Government, in infectious disease, cancer, biodefense and drug development- and having seen 15 years of lying, fudging data and stone cold disregard for life- I will never consume a product they make- nor will I trust the FDA (who approved these things). And anecdotally- many of the FDA auditors of the pharma labs have degrees in English or History- only about 1 in 10 had a science background!
As well- and believe this from one who was there- the concept of "biodefense" is a psych trip. Government labs all over the country are making weaponized strains of everything they can. The US is fully prepared to destroy any and all countries with microbes- take your pick.
Remember the first Anthrax attack on Capitol Hill was domestic- the Ames strain of anthrax- made right here at home.
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reply posted on 16-5-2009 @ 06:03 AM by CultureD
reply to post by jfj123
Agree with you completely about self-quarantine.
If I should fall ill, the last thing I would do would be to go out into society and share it. It's bad enough that people go to work when ill with colds and seasonal flu- which makes all sick at the workplace. It's disgusting that people fly when ill- in circulated air. When I travelled for business I started wearing hospital masks to prevent illness, as others would freely travel while ill, and I could not take time off it it were my turn...
I know my family would do the same. In a case like this pandemic it is our fundamental responsibility to sequester ourselves if ill (or.. if ill with anything!.. but, alas, we're too afraid of loosing our jobs...). I agree with you about quarantine. For millenia, it's been shown to be the only method that truly reduces morbidity and mortality. Well said.
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Agree with you completely about self-quarantine.
If I should fall ill, the last thing I would do would be to go out into society and share it. It's bad enough that people go to work when ill with colds and seasonal flu- which makes all sick at the workplace. It's disgusting that people fly when ill- in circulated air. When I travelled for business I started wearing hospital masks to prevent illness, as others would freely travel while ill, and I could not take time off it it were my turn...
I know my family would do the same. In a case like this pandemic it is our fundamental responsibility to sequester ourselves if ill (or.. if ill with anything!.. but, alas, we're too afraid of loosing our jobs...). I agree with you about quarantine. For millenia, it's been shown to be the only method that truly reduces morbidity and mortality. Well said.
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reply posted on 16-5-2009 @ 06:09 AM by CultureD
reply to post by mopusvindictus
Good lord- you make your point well- and frighteningly. We don't have kids, but as an aunt, I worry. My friends have all sheepishly complied with the vaccine program and out of about 15 couples, there are 4 cases of autism, 3 congential defects (no doubt due to aspartame, MSG, etc., in the mothers' diets) and every time someone gets pregnant I cringe- rather than rejoice for them- knowing what's coming.
So much for a future if we wipe out our children, eh?
Good lord- you make your point well- and frighteningly. We don't have kids, but as an aunt, I worry. My friends have all sheepishly complied with the vaccine program and out of about 15 couples, there are 4 cases of autism, 3 congential defects (no doubt due to aspartame, MSG, etc., in the mothers' diets) and every time someone gets pregnant I cringe- rather than rejoice for them- knowing what's coming.
So much for a future if we wipe out our children, eh?
reply posted on 16-5-2009 @ 07:32 AM by CultureD
reply to post by FlyersFan
And so it begins again- Baxter- of all companies- is working on an H1N1 vaccine for Illinois- and the world. RUN, while there's time::
www.wqad.com...
And so it begins again- Baxter- of all companies- is working on an H1N1 vaccine for Illinois- and the world. RUN, while there's time::
www.wqad.com...
reply posted on 16-5-2009 @ 07:35 AM by CultureD
BTW-
Illinois has other Draconian vaccine laws- for example, the HPV vaccine. Girls must either receive it before entering school, or have "permission' not to have received it. I wonder in whose pocket our senators, governor,
Daley, etc., sit? Merck???????????
www.hslda.org...
Illinois has other Draconian vaccine laws- for example, the HPV vaccine. Girls must either receive it before entering school, or have "permission' not to have received it. I wonder in whose pocket our senators, governor,
Daley, etc., sit? Merck???????????
www.hslda.org...
reply posted on 16-5-2009 @ 08:21 AM by Exuberant1
reply to post by CultureD
That would be an Unconstitutional Law.
No where in the Constitution does it give anyone the right to violate anyone else's Constitutional Rights.
This is often ignored.
*We are a Republic, not a democracy.
(Democracy: where 51 percent of the people can take away the rights of 49 percent of the people.)
I bet you know what Thomas Jefferson would do to anyone or anything who dare attempt take such action against his person...
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That would be an Unconstitutional Law.
No where in the Constitution does it give anyone the right to violate anyone else's Constitutional Rights.
This is often ignored.
*We are a Republic, not a democracy.
(Democracy: where 51 percent of the people can take away the rights of 49 percent of the people.)
I bet you know what Thomas Jefferson would do to anyone or anything who dare attempt take such action against his person...
[edit on 16-5-2009 by Exuberant1]
reply posted on 16-5-2009 @ 12:10 PM by Jess_Undefined
reply to post by unityemissions
I agree. And as long as I have a choice, no vaccines for me. I would also be highly p*ssed if I was forced to take a vaccine I didnt want.
I would raise hell!!! =]
I agree. And as long as I have a choice, no vaccines for me. I would also be highly p*ssed if I was forced to take a vaccine I didnt want.
I would raise hell!!! =]
reply posted on 16-5-2009 @ 02:37 PM by getreadyalready
reply to post by Snozaz
Snonaz, my wife's story (read earlier post) is very similar to yours. She was diagnosed around her 17th birthday. She had a hepatitis shot and then a short time later a flu shot. She was getting tingling and numbing sensations in her hands and feet, but the doctors didn't know what to make of it. One day in the school hallway people starting asking her why she was walking like that. She hadn't even noticed that she was dragging one leg, and within days she was fully paralyzed. After finally being diagnosed properly, drugs and blood transfusions helped her, and now she is 27 and fully recovered.
Since that time she has been diagnosed with Celiac's disease, another auto-immune disorder and a lot of research says GB and Celiacs are connected. You may want to see a GI specialist and see if you have an allergy to Gluten.
Good luck.
Snonaz, my wife's story (read earlier post) is very similar to yours. She was diagnosed around her 17th birthday. She had a hepatitis shot and then a short time later a flu shot. She was getting tingling and numbing sensations in her hands and feet, but the doctors didn't know what to make of it. One day in the school hallway people starting asking her why she was walking like that. She hadn't even noticed that she was dragging one leg, and within days she was fully paralyzed. After finally being diagnosed properly, drugs and blood transfusions helped her, and now she is 27 and fully recovered.
Since that time she has been diagnosed with Celiac's disease, another auto-immune disorder and a lot of research says GB and Celiacs are connected. You may want to see a GI specialist and see if you have an allergy to Gluten.
Good luck.
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