reply to post by Gorman91
Genetic Elitism -- otherwise known as racism (right?)
I agree with you, there's no reason to let Darwinism take over at this point. We are in control of our own genetics, and therefore we are in the
drivers seat of evolution.
It's an intellectual step backwards to just let nature run the show.
Forced birth control? I say YES!, page 8
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reply posted on 18-6-2009 @ 01:12 AM by ldyserenity
Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by ldyserenity
That's really not right. Weak according to nature is not weak according to man. I have asthma, so should I die because my lungs are weak? 1000 years ago I would die. Now I am on meds when I need them, but remain a fully functioning member of society.
No, it won't be the downfall of society, it will be its rise. For only the species which commits itself to self preservation in such a way so as to make the weakest into equals is the best survival.
to hell with genetic elitism.
No, I'm not talking Physical weaknesses like that...I'm talking about weak willed, lazy, drug/alcohol addicted, People who don't ever do one day's worth of hard labor and this includes the very rich who sit on their A** because they are just doing paperwork basically. The US was built on the laborers the working class, not someone who can't even stand for 30 minutes at a time!
[edit on 18-6-2009 by ldyserenity]
However, as one post had pointed out mother nature knows what she's doing, I don't think there will ever be a need to do the forced BC thing, As I feel in a few very short years, Mother nature is going to exact a solution, and those who can't cut it without the monetary system "Crutch" this world depends on, will simply be weeded out. Nature takes care of business in that way. One way6 or another it'll catch up to us...I'm ready! Too bad those of you will cry out for the people who are less desirable, I won't be joining your pity party.
[edit on 18-6-2009 by ldyserenity]
reply posted on 18-6-2009 @ 01:21 AM by Gorman91
reply to post by ldyserenity
But that is their choice, and it's not even related to genetics or viability.
it is not your right, nor the government's right, to force any kind of ethical, cultural, life style, etc upon the individual. This is an absolute truth. You dissatisfaction with other's life styles is not justification to alter it. Why can't a pastor force a homosexual to be strait? Because it is not his right. You are in that pastors position. You are entitled to your opinion, but you have no right to force your beliefs of what a human should be or do onto others under any circumstances unless they are a criminal in need of being readjusted so they don't murder/rape/pillage/etc.
End of story.
Also, as to your edit, wouldn't these people be in the position to survive? After all, the rich conservatives would buy people to save them, the rich liberals would buy government to save them. Either way you look at it, you are wrong. They will not die.
[edit on 18-6-2009 by Gorman91]
But that is their choice, and it's not even related to genetics or viability.
it is not your right, nor the government's right, to force any kind of ethical, cultural, life style, etc upon the individual. This is an absolute truth. You dissatisfaction with other's life styles is not justification to alter it. Why can't a pastor force a homosexual to be strait? Because it is not his right. You are in that pastors position. You are entitled to your opinion, but you have no right to force your beliefs of what a human should be or do onto others under any circumstances unless they are a criminal in need of being readjusted so they don't murder/rape/pillage/etc.
End of story.
Also, as to your edit, wouldn't these people be in the position to survive? After all, the rich conservatives would buy people to save them, the rich liberals would buy government to save them. Either way you look at it, you are wrong. They will not die.
[edit on 18-6-2009 by Gorman91]
reply posted on 18-6-2009 @ 09:46 AM by jackieps1975
reply to post by ldyserenity
That's just it, you touched on a great point! Natural Selection will indeed come into play once again because of the abuse of the people
on this earth! When will humanity start to realize that the poor, irresponsible behavior is only tolerated by the universe for so long? Sadly, it
doesn't matter for the rest of us because people that try to do the right thing don't really ever get any benefit.
I used to be alot more sympathetic in general. Now I reserve my pity for people that were genuinely dealt a bad hand in life, not those just acting out of ignorance and complacency. Sure we have the right to do whatever we want, the freedom to make terrible decisions.....and a pathetic society that supports and even enables it! So is that a good reason to keep it going? I don't think so but the bleeding hearts will never get it anyway. I may as well stop looking at this thread already.
That's just it, you touched on a great point! Natural Selection will indeed come into play once again because of the abuse of the people
on this earth! When will humanity start to realize that the poor, irresponsible behavior is only tolerated by the universe for so long? Sadly, it
doesn't matter for the rest of us because people that try to do the right thing don't really ever get any benefit. I used to be alot more sympathetic in general. Now I reserve my pity for people that were genuinely dealt a bad hand in life, not those just acting out of ignorance and complacency. Sure we have the right to do whatever we want, the freedom to make terrible decisions.....and a pathetic society that supports and even enables it! So is that a good reason to keep it going? I don't think so but the bleeding hearts will never get it anyway. I may as well stop looking at this thread already.
reply posted on 18-6-2009 @ 10:23 AM by jackieps1975
reply to post by groingrinder
HaHa! See?! And people give me all kinds of attitude for suggesting forced birth control. I thought I was being pretty soft. Alot of people I have this discussion with say, "just sterilize them". I knew I was being lenient!
In all seriousness, I do think the whole sterilization thing is a little harsh (but only) because a persons situation could change. Sterilization lasts a lifetime and doesn't take into consideration that at some point in time, an individual may be suitable to have children. I proposed that while people are unfit (those individuals who DO NOT contribute to society, cannot support themselves, require tax payer assistance, etc.), they be required to practice birth control. At such time they do become contributing members of society, then they may proceed as they wish, bearing as many children as they can (and wish) to care for.
I really wish people would stop defending this practice of having babies erroneously! It's not okay to bring people into the world that you cannot be responsible for! Sadly, the masses (and the gov't) think it's okay for this to happen. Keep enabling and creating more burdens for an already debilitated society. I do not know one single working class person that feels like supporting one of these families. We cannot afford it ourselves, why should we be forced to pay for something we do not condone????? ugh!!!!
Also, really, how hard is it to swallow a simple pill? Or wear a diaphram, cervical cap.....or the unthinkable......condom! Ideally, these things would be provided, free of charge. So individuals would have an option as to what type of birth control was best for them, etc, etc. I'm not heartless.
HaHa! See?! And people give me all kinds of attitude for suggesting forced birth control. I thought I was being pretty soft. Alot of people I have this discussion with say, "just sterilize them". I knew I was being lenient!
In all seriousness, I do think the whole sterilization thing is a little harsh (but only) because a persons situation could change. Sterilization lasts a lifetime and doesn't take into consideration that at some point in time, an individual may be suitable to have children. I proposed that while people are unfit (those individuals who DO NOT contribute to society, cannot support themselves, require tax payer assistance, etc.), they be required to practice birth control. At such time they do become contributing members of society, then they may proceed as they wish, bearing as many children as they can (and wish) to care for.
I really wish people would stop defending this practice of having babies erroneously! It's not okay to bring people into the world that you cannot be responsible for! Sadly, the masses (and the gov't) think it's okay for this to happen. Keep enabling and creating more burdens for an already debilitated society. I do not know one single working class person that feels like supporting one of these families. We cannot afford it ourselves, why should we be forced to pay for something we do not condone????? ugh!!!!
Also, really, how hard is it to swallow a simple pill? Or wear a diaphram, cervical cap.....or the unthinkable......condom! Ideally, these things would be provided, free of charge. So individuals would have an option as to what type of birth control was best for them, etc, etc. I'm not heartless.
reply posted on 18-6-2009 @ 12:06 PM by Gorman91
reply to post by jackieps1975
Once again I must ask how natural selection will come about if the left wants government to save them and the right wants companies to save them? The right wants you to have kiddies and self support them, and the left wants you to have kiddies and the government support them. Don't matter who's in power, once a certain sea saw changes, the other gets elected.
When exactly is natural selection going to come into affect if every single person in power basically does stuff to save them for the vote?
Weather you like the fact or not, humanity's population will only grow larger and larger. Before you die you will see 10 billion on Earth. I wouldn't be surprised if a government starts producing people during a prolonged war if their reproduction rate is low or in the negative. If a very long war like Iraq happened at a larger scale, the government would have no problem in building large people factories to replace those in war and hope some will also go to war from those people. 10,000 die in 10 years? 100,000 thousand are produced to replace them and take jobs.
And why do you think natural selection WOULD come into affect at all? Are you an idiot? In 10,000 years of human history and civilization, no people killed off once they got to the top. Nations rose and fell, but the people were always there. Some were slaughtered by war, but most still live in those places.
You are simply wrong and the more you speak the dumber and more far from reality to you look like you are. Within a decade we are expected to have weather control, massive vertical farming, and a half way decent alternative power supply. Within 20 years we will have helium nuclear power being beamed down and giganourmous solar panels near the sun beaming electricity to us.
When in this time is a catastrophe suppose to happen? Germs don't take more than a year to cure, food shortages are a myth, water shortages are laughable when we know how to clean water from the sea, climate change is a joke when New York hasn't had a day over 80 this year, except maybe 1 or 2 other days. War is folly as machine and diplomacy make them futile annoyances. overpopulation is also a joke with so much space above and bellow to expand into, and economic collapses will happen, and all it will do will make other nations rise and other nations be replaces.
Nothing is going to happen for your little dream of blood to come true.
[edit on 18-6-2009 by Gorman91]
[edit on 18-6-2009 by Gorman91]
[edit on 18-6-2009 by Gorman91]
Once again I must ask how natural selection will come about if the left wants government to save them and the right wants companies to save them? The right wants you to have kiddies and self support them, and the left wants you to have kiddies and the government support them. Don't matter who's in power, once a certain sea saw changes, the other gets elected.
When exactly is natural selection going to come into affect if every single person in power basically does stuff to save them for the vote?
Weather you like the fact or not, humanity's population will only grow larger and larger. Before you die you will see 10 billion on Earth. I wouldn't be surprised if a government starts producing people during a prolonged war if their reproduction rate is low or in the negative. If a very long war like Iraq happened at a larger scale, the government would have no problem in building large people factories to replace those in war and hope some will also go to war from those people. 10,000 die in 10 years? 100,000 thousand are produced to replace them and take jobs.
And why do you think natural selection WOULD come into affect at all? Are you an idiot? In 10,000 years of human history and civilization, no people killed off once they got to the top. Nations rose and fell, but the people were always there. Some were slaughtered by war, but most still live in those places.
You are simply wrong and the more you speak the dumber and more far from reality to you look like you are. Within a decade we are expected to have weather control, massive vertical farming, and a half way decent alternative power supply. Within 20 years we will have helium nuclear power being beamed down and giganourmous solar panels near the sun beaming electricity to us.
When in this time is a catastrophe suppose to happen? Germs don't take more than a year to cure, food shortages are a myth, water shortages are laughable when we know how to clean water from the sea, climate change is a joke when New York hasn't had a day over 80 this year, except maybe 1 or 2 other days. War is folly as machine and diplomacy make them futile annoyances. overpopulation is also a joke with so much space above and bellow to expand into, and economic collapses will happen, and all it will do will make other nations rise and other nations be replaces.
Nothing is going to happen for your little dream of blood to come true.
[edit on 18-6-2009 by Gorman91]
[edit on 18-6-2009 by Gorman91]
[edit on 18-6-2009 by Gorman91]
reply posted on 18-6-2009 @ 01:57 PM by ldyserenity
Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by ldyserenity
But that is their choice, and it's not even related to genetics or viability.
it is not your right, nor the government's right, to force any kind of ethical, cultural, life style, etc upon the individual. This is an absolute truth. You dissatisfaction with other's life styles is not justification to alter it. Why can't a pastor force a homosexual to be strait? Because it is not his right. You are in that pastors position. You are entitled to your opinion, but you have no right to force your beliefs of what a human should be or do onto others under any circumstances unless they are a criminal in need of being readjusted so they don't murder/rape/pillage/etc.
End of story.
Also, as to your edit, wouldn't these people be in the position to survive? After all, the rich conservatives would buy people to save them, the rich liberals would buy government to save them. Either way you look at it, you are wrong. They will not die.
[edit on 18-6-2009 by Gorman91]
Money will have no value, so why would anybody take it from these worthless slugs?When this happens, nobody will have any use for money and I will personally be at the US Mint burning all that worthless paper to keep my toucus warm...and I will take all the metal coins and melt it down to make hunting tools and maybe even some pretty jewellery for myself, which will be worth alot more in the post apocolyptic world!
reply posted on 18-6-2009 @ 02:27 PM by Gorman91
reply to post by ldyserenity
Because money will have value. it will just be something else. Maybe Euros, maybe personal jewelry. Does it matter?
Any sensible government knows that wealth means nothing in disaster. That's why the US always gets so much debt whenever we have a bad thing happen. Bush was the only one who put money first, but his kind are a dieing breed.
The military would follow orders without pay if they loved a general enough. All it would take is an inspiration speech. This happened with Washington, some other guys in the war with Mexico, it happened somewhat with the south after the occupation post bellum, it happened with Teddy's troops, it happened in WW1 with General black jack Pershing, it happened with Patton and MacArthur, and it still happens till this day. When soldiers love their leaders, money, the end of the world, etc, doesn't matter. Because the soldiers know they are either dead or free. And in such a case, money is not on the mind. Freedom is. They know that freedom will create wealth after a few years. Even the first revolts after the revolutionary war were sometimes silenced just by leaders saying "hold on".
Some politicians joining this general would make a moneyless force. Money means nothing in disaster.
And once again, how are these disasters suppose to happen?
[edit on 18-6-2009 by Gorman91]
[edit on 18-6-2009 by Gorman91]
Because money will have value. it will just be something else. Maybe Euros, maybe personal jewelry. Does it matter?
Any sensible government knows that wealth means nothing in disaster. That's why the US always gets so much debt whenever we have a bad thing happen. Bush was the only one who put money first, but his kind are a dieing breed.
The military would follow orders without pay if they loved a general enough. All it would take is an inspiration speech. This happened with Washington, some other guys in the war with Mexico, it happened somewhat with the south after the occupation post bellum, it happened with Teddy's troops, it happened in WW1 with General black jack Pershing, it happened with Patton and MacArthur, and it still happens till this day. When soldiers love their leaders, money, the end of the world, etc, doesn't matter. Because the soldiers know they are either dead or free. And in such a case, money is not on the mind. Freedom is. They know that freedom will create wealth after a few years. Even the first revolts after the revolutionary war were sometimes silenced just by leaders saying "hold on".
Some politicians joining this general would make a moneyless force. Money means nothing in disaster.
And once again, how are these disasters suppose to happen?
[edit on 18-6-2009 by Gorman91]
[edit on 18-6-2009 by Gorman91]
reply posted on 18-6-2009 @ 07:37 PM by jackieps1975
reply to post by ladyinwaiting
It's not a lack of compassion, quite the contrary! Think of all the innocent lives that would be saved! If you missed my post (in this thread) on unfit mothers murdering their children, perhaps you should take a moment to google it. This is the epitome of compassion in that it would cut out a chunk of child abuse, death and needless poverty.
Of course no one wants the will of others imposed upon them! This is just a concept...and a very good one IMO (obviously). Sometimes we all need to look at the flipside of an argument. I haven't suggested we sew anyone up or sterilize. I'm just saying when innocents are at stake due to someone's irresponsibility, there are reasonable things that can be done to prevent it. We already have plenty of needless laws that no one likes. What harm would this do? Use birth control. It would be beneficial to all parties involved in the long run.
It's not a lack of compassion, quite the contrary! Think of all the innocent lives that would be saved! If you missed my post (in this thread) on unfit mothers murdering their children, perhaps you should take a moment to google it. This is the epitome of compassion in that it would cut out a chunk of child abuse, death and needless poverty.
Of course no one wants the will of others imposed upon them! This is just a concept...and a very good one IMO (obviously). Sometimes we all need to look at the flipside of an argument. I haven't suggested we sew anyone up or sterilize. I'm just saying when innocents are at stake due to someone's irresponsibility, there are reasonable things that can be done to prevent it. We already have plenty of needless laws that no one likes. What harm would this do? Use birth control. It would be beneficial to all parties involved in the long run.
reply posted on 19-6-2009 @ 12:25 AM by Gorman91
reply to post by jackieps1975
That's such a stupid claim. It's barely a large number of people who kill their kids.
Using a minority to justify subjugating the majority is disgusting and I would proudly fight in a military to enforce the end of the existence of people like you.
The more you talk the more it makes me hope this happens just to give justification for bringing down the government that does it.
[edit on 19-6-2009 by Gorman91]
[edit on 19-6-2009 by Gorman91]
That's such a stupid claim. It's barely a large number of people who kill their kids.
Using a minority to justify subjugating the majority is disgusting and I would proudly fight in a military to enforce the end of the existence of people like you.
The more you talk the more it makes me hope this happens just to give justification for bringing down the government that does it.
[edit on 19-6-2009 by Gorman91]
[edit on 19-6-2009 by Gorman91]
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