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Originally posted by LeoVirgo
If others show interests in studying these gospels, I will post Lections 6 through 10 tomorrow....or someone else can post them if they wish. There are 10 Sections, each having about 10 lections in them. So what I have posted is only half of the first first section....there is much more that you can find on the first link in the first posts.
Mabey others are not interested, and if so, that is ok too...but thought I would make the offer since I am getting ready to take a closer look at them myself.
LV
John 3
3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
9Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
Iesus Teacheth how to Pray Error even in Prophets 1. As Iesus was praying in a certain place on a mountain, some of his disciples came unto him, and one of then said, Lord teach us how to pray. And Iesus said unto them, When thou prayest enter into thy secret chamber, and when thou hast closed the door, pray to Abba Amma Who is above and within thee, and thy Father-Mother Who seest all that is secret shall answer thee openly. 2. But when ye are gathered together, and pray in common, use not vain repetitions, for your heavenly Parent knoweth what things ye have need of before ye ask them. After this manner therefore pray ye:— 3. Our Father-Mother Who art above and within: Hallowed be Thy Name in twofold Trinity. In Wisdom, Love and Equity Thy Kingdom come to all. Thy will be done, As in Heaven so in Earth. Give us day by day to partake of Thy holy Bread, and the fruit of the living Vine. As Thou dost forgive us our trespasses, so may we forgive others who trespass against us. Shew upon us Thy goodness, that to others we may shew the same. In the hour of temptation, deliver us from evil. 4. Shew upon us Thy goodness, that to others we may shew the same. In the hour of temptation, deliver us from evil. 5. And wheresoever there are seven gathered together in My Name there am I in the midst of them; yea, if only there be three or two; and where there is but one who prayeth in secret, I am with that one. 6. Raise the Stone, and there thou shall find me. Cleave the wood, and there am I. For in the fire and in the water even as in every living form, God is manifest as it’s Life and it’s Substance. 7. AND the Lord said, If thy brother hath sinned in word seven times a day, and seven times a day hath made amendment, receive him. Simon said to him, Seven times a day ? 8. The Lord answered and said to him, I tell thee also unto seventy times seven, for even in the Prophets, after they were anointed by the Spirits utterance of sin was found. 9. Be ye therefore considerate, be tender, be ye pitiful, be ye kind, not to your own kind alone, but to every creature which is within your care, for ye are to them as gods, to whom they look in their need. Be ye slow to anger for many sin in anger which they repented of, when their anger was past. 10. AND there was a man whose hand was withered and he came to Iesus and said, Lord, I was a mason seeking sustenance by my hands, I beseech thee restore to me my health that I may not beg for food with shame. And Iesus healed him, saying There is a house made without hands, seek that thou mayest dwell therein.
LECTION 19. 2 -There are two versions given of the Lord's Prayer, this one, the fullest, being given to the Twelve and their companions, and a shorter form afterwards to the people in his Sermon on the Mount.
v. 5, 6 -An ancient saying, long lost to the Church. The all-pervading nature of Deity seems plainly taught, which, in a recently recovered fragment, is obscure.
Originally posted by LeoVirgo
Again, I agree. But...my point I guess should of been more directive>
These set of gospels focus not only on the masculinity of God but yet also the nurturing mother image>twine in one.
Just as our body complex is of the dust (our mother image) who gives us food, water, wind, shelter ect....the spirit complex gives us our intuitions, vibrations, energies, ect.....
The part that resonated with me was taking the father/mother part as mabey something Jesus really would of taught. Whatcha think about that? Do you think its possible that Jesus could of taught us about the father/mother instead of the strict masculinity only of God.
John 3
5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Originally posted by badmedia
Hmmm, I don't know. I will have to think on this a bit. In 1 moment I want to agree, in the next moment I see where it is calling creation itself as the holy spirit, and that starts to get into duality and good vs evil. And then of course, there is beyond duality and so forth.
I've had 3 replies thus far, and ended up erasing them as the more I typed the more I didn't like where it was going.
Meaning, you are either getting to the level where evil has it's reason and purpose. And that is getting on a slippery slope while still in "school".
I think the issue with me is I have no problems with seeing the holy spirit as the mother. In function, it is the sharing of wisdom and understanding of the father. I believe this is what you meant by the logic part, correct me if I'm wrong. It is comforting and I can see it being given a female personification.
When I experienced this, no labels were given at all. Neither the holy spirit or mother. That is not how the father gives, he just gives the understanding itself. That is something we can not do, we can only express the understandings.
As well, we might have to take into account the times. The role of the woman then, vs today. I personally see women as equals. But I wouldn't call the logic of god as being equal to god. But in those times, the woman played a more servant type role, a lesser status. And I'm not sure if I agree with that, I see woman as equals. So a bit of static there for me.
But, I am unsure about calling the earth and such the holy spirit and so forth. And that is where we get into the part about good vs evil, as that is what we are here to learn. And so the earth itself provides that. Of course, when it's over we will be better for it. But again this is getting on a slippery slope. I'll have to think about it a bit.
subsequent investigations into the claims of these individuals produced nothing to substantiate their stories. Biblical scholars do not consider the Szekely or Ousely writings as authentic.[
Originally posted by one_man24
reply to post by LeoVirgo
subsequent investigations into the claims of these individuals produced nothing to substantiate their stories. Biblical scholars do not consider the Szekely or Ousely writings as authentic.[
en.wikipedia.org...
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but these books have been found to have absolutely no historical proof that they even existed before these guys "translated" them.
The Nazarene Way of Essenic Studies Biography: Rev. Gideon Jasper Richard Ouseley M.A. 1835 - 1906 Translator of the Gospel of the Holy Twelve. The Rev. Gideon Jasper Richard Ouseley was born in Lisbon on the 15th October, 1835, the younger son of Sir Ralph Ouseley, K.C.B., brought over to Ireland on the death of his father, 14th May, 1842, by relatives, and educated in Dublin University, in which he graduated in 1858. On the 9th of December, 1906 he passed away in his seventy-second year. See 1904 signature He was ordained as a clergyman of the Established Church by the Bishop of Down and Connor, and appointed Curate of Warren- point, Co. Down in 1861.He did not long remain in a Church in which he found himself to be in a false position; and in 1870, having voluntarily renounced all eating of flesh, strong drink and tobacco as inconsistent with the humanity and the true religion of Christ, as taught by Him and His apostles, he was received as a priest of the Catholic Apostolic Church. Before his reception into the Catholic Church, he fully explained to the Prior his views and beliefs—which on no account would he abandon. The Prior said he did not find in that which he expressed anything contrary to the faith of the Catholic Church. “Why then,” asked the Rev. Ouseley, “does not the Church teach it?” To which the Prior replied, “You are not at liberty to say it is the teaching of the Catholic Church, but you are free to believe and hold your views as a pious opinion.” It was in such circumstances that he sought to propagate his beliefs. His desire was to saturate and transmute the Church’s own formularies with the true teaching of Christ and His Humanitarianism. He set about revising the formularies in place of concealing them. While he was not a sectarian and hated to be dubbed as such, he would work with all true reformers and good men who would try to bring the people into ways of righteousness and raise them out of their barbarous habits of flesh-eating, strong drinking, and cruelty of every sort and kind. He considered that “the direct cause of poverty, bad health and social misery was due to flesh-eating, alcoholic drinking and tobacco smoking”. He saw in their abolition “the only effectual means of the world’s redemption, whether as regards men themselves or the animals”. “The true and proper food for man was that which Mother Earth brought forth in plenty for the sustenance of her children”. He founded the Order of At-one-ment and United Templars Society, having for its motto: “One God, one Religion, various names, various forms.” Its object was to bring about a reconciliation of opposing ideas, things, persons, and systems; at-one-ing the human with the Divine, and man with God; by the Spirit of Christ within the soul. On account of his views, the personal relationship between the reformer and his Church became strained; which led, in the first instance, to the Rev. Ouseley being suspended, and later to his being, literally, cast out of the Church. His views being called “Anti-Christian.” This because, believing that he had been called to undertake this important mission, he set about to present to the world the hidden text “The Gospel of the Holy Twelve,” the Christian Dispensation pieced together from the most ancient and complete collection of Christian fragments, preserved in one of the Monasteries of the Buddhist monks in Thibet, where it was hidden by some of the Essene community for safety from the hands of the Corrupters and for the first time to be translated from the Aramaic. It was a translation of an original Aramaic document purporting to be a reconstruction and revision of the Gospel narrative. Also because the contents of this most ancient Gospel set forth a higher moral and religious teaching, as the basis of the Christian Church, than any other that has come down to us, requires but the reading of eyes divested of prejudice, and the perception of a regenerate heart, and intelligent mind, to receive and appreciate that the Rev. Ouseley was undaunted in proclaiming the true religion of Christ. One thing is unquestionable, he could not unaided by some Power higher than and above that of his normal intellect, have written this Gospel, and that such Power was of a Divine nature, is manifest from its contents. At the end of the Gospel are the words: “Glory be to God by Whose Power and help it has been written.” It must not on this account be assumed that the original of which this Gospel is claimed to be a translation is of greater historical value than are the Four Gospels— none of which is historical in the sense commonly supposed—the object of all being to portray “the divine drama of the Spiritual history of man”—that is, of the Soul. But this Gospel has the advantage over the others in that it escaped the hands of the “Correctors” and “Corrupters” from which they suffered. In 1905, he wrote to a friend, “I have finished my work and my destiny awaits me. They are ready to receive me”. On the 9th of December, 1906 he passed away in his seventy-second year. A notice of him appeared in “Light” (5th and 12th January, 1907): “And now may he rest in peace with the knowledge that his life of self-sacrifice for Truth and Humanity—a life without ambition for any worldly honour or desire for any worldly gain—was not lived in vain, for “Where Mercy, Love and Pity dwell, There God is dwelling too.”