Earth's Spin Slowing, but Time Speeding Up?, page 1

reply to post by SeeingBlue

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HaHa!!! Time 'speeding up'? It's called "growing older".

The Earth is slowing its rotation by just a few microseconds per year, as we give up angular momentum to the Moon, which is moving away at about 2-3 cm every year, on average.

Both of these figures are virtually unable to be discerned by mere Human perception.

BUT, it is about perception. When you're busy, time 'flies'. When bored...well....

reply to post by ChemBreather

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I wasn't trying to prove anything. This is just for the people that already agree.

I was just thinking about the crossing of the galaxies horizontal center, is it related to the slowing of the Earth's spin? At the moment of crossing, is this when we stop for a day or so? Then what.. do we spin the other direction due to reversed magnetic polarity?

reply to post by SeeingBlue

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To answer your question...NO!

This notion of 'crossing the Galactic Plane' is a bunch of hooey.

Our Solar System, as a group, is moving as it orbits the Galactic center at about 220 KPS. Compare that to the speed of light, 300,000 KPS.

Let's do some math: At 220KPS you are travelling at 792,000KPH.

One Light Year is 9,460,800,000,000 KM in length. That's 9.5 TRILLION km.

Working that out, at 792,000KPH it takes 11,945,454 hours to travel that LY.

That is 497,727 days, or about 1,364 YEARS!!!

SO, unless you're Methuselah, you really have nothing to worry about.

OH...and the Earth slowing to a stop, then reversing?? That was from the Superman movie. It's a fantasy, folks!!!

reply to post by TheCoffinman

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i dont think it is necessarily time that is speeding up, rather, the amount of time between important innovations and paridigm shifts is decreasing at an exponential rate

reply to post by BrainPower

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BP, as I said up above, the Earth's spin is slowing by a few microseconds per year. THIS is because as the Moon's gravity tugs at the Earth some angular momentum is transferred to the Moon. Thus, the Moon is slighty going faster in its orbit, and as a result is gradually spiraling away. Don't worry, though...it's only about 2-3 cm per year.

reply to post by wastedown

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wastedown, you said:

If the Earth is getting bigger this would absolutly alter the length of time any given point is accesable to the sun in essence altering time.

Most important word in that sentence is 'IF'. The Earth is NOT getting bigger. If it were, it would be immediately noticed. Ever heard of GPS? Airplanes??? Everything would be thrown off.

Also, the only reason we know with any accuracy of the Earth's spin slowing ina way that is normally imperceptable to Humans is by using the Atomic clocks.

reply to post by weedwhacker

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So what you are saying is that as fault lines move and expand and more of the Earth's liquid center breaks the surface, cools and expands has no effect on it's overall size?

I understand that everything in the Universe is getting further away from where it started. Is that all the hoopla is about with the recent findings that the Universe started out WAY smaller? Everything was one giant Planet, Star, or Whatever it was... Big Bang....What we see today? Everything I've read on the subject ( mostly from ATS threads and linked articles ) says that it all was "Smaller" not closer together.

I'm not trying to be combative or argue just looking for clarification.

reply to post by BrainPower

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Well, just crunching some numbers...I didn't check Wiki yet.

But, based on the current rate, every 37,000 years the Moon is about one KM farther. However, this rate is likely not constant. When the Earh/Moon system was formed, billions of years ago, they were both rotating around each other at a much faster rate, from the force of the collision with another celestial body during the formation of the Solar System. (This is a prevailing theory of the Moon's creation).

the Moon has had a positive influence on Earth...we used to rotate about twice as fast millions of years ago (time of the dinosaurs).

Millions or Billions of years in the future, when the Moon wanders off...well, hard to say what will happen to Earth. Prolly doesn't matter, eh??

edit: Adding this, to see if it works...
upload.wikimedia.org...

Also from Wiki:
The relative sizes and separation of the Earth–Moon system are shown to scale above. The beam of light is depicted travelling between the Earth and the Moon in the same time it actually takes light to scale the real distance between them: 1.255 seconds at its mean orbital distance. The light beam helps provide the sense of scale of the Earth-Moon system relative to the Sun, which is 8.28 light-minutes away (photosphere to Earth surface).


(I thought this was way cool)

I like this one too:

upload.wikimedia.org...

Taken from 50,000,000 KM away by the asteroid probe 'Deep Impact'.




[edit on 5/13/0909 by weedwhacker]

reply to post by wastedown

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So what you are saying is that as fault lines move and expand and more of the Earth's liquid center breaks the surface, cools and expands has no effect on it's overall size?

What you're referring to is Plate Tectonics. Some plates slide along each other, some are moving apart. BUT, as two move apart (such as the North American and European plates) somewhere else they are 'subducting' underneath another plate. This is, for example, happening in the Pacific...the so-called 'Ring of Fire'.

Example:
upload.wikimedia.org...

reply to post by weedwhacker

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I think I understand what you are saying, but I don't think it's that simple. We dig for fossils, when the creature died it was on the surface and now it is found 30 meters into the soil did the Earth not gain 30 meters of thickness since the creature died. When a volcano erupts does it not drop lava that turns into rock therfore more surface area? Using the ring of fire example, does the creation of say a new Island not add mass to the surface or the ocean floor which is in essance the surface? If I am completly off track I thank you for helping me get back on.

edit:
sorry i have to run will pick up here tomorrow. Thank you

[edit on 13-5-2009 by wastedown]

reply to post by wastedown

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Well, thanks for the question. Just saw a special on Nat Geo last night about mountain-building. Sometimes plates subduct, other times they pile up against each, building mountains.

The special was focused on the Alps. Millions of years ago the African plate moved north against the European plate. Thus, mountains. There was an acient sea in between (pre-dates the Mediterranean) so the sedimentary layers, complete with fossils, fromteh bottom of that sea are now thousands of feet up in the Alps.

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