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reply posted on 14-5-2009 @ 01:36 PM by SPreston
reply to post by trebor451



What expertize have you demonstrated? NONE. Common sense would expect that your aircraft which allegedly nosed in would deposit its wreckage in the order in which it entered the soft dirt of the strip mine. If you are cramming peanuts in a hole, the peanuts in first get crunched more and more as others are added in behind. But the last peanuts in don't end up in the bottom of the hole.

Common sense would expect that the tail section which was on the back end of the aircraft would enter last and remain closer to the surface as it impacted up against the remainder of the 90 tons of 757 aircraft already allegedly in the hole.

Common sense would expect that the black boxes in the tail section would remain together near the surface, and not one 15 feet deep and the other 25 feet deep way way deeper than the alleged engine rotor.



Common sense would expect that the 6 ton turbofan engine would not be mere inches below the surface, and that shattered pieces of its cowling and the wing it was attached to would be shattered near it. But nothing. Absolutely nothing in the hole.



Of course common sense would also expect that this is all nonsense and no 90 ton aircraft buried itself in a strip mine in Shanksville. Is simple common sense really in such short supply in America these days?


reply posted on 14-5-2009 @ 01:50 PM by Killtown7
Good to see threads about Shanksville are still going here.

The official story of what happened to Flight 93 is that after it crashed upside-down, it's
cockpit broke off and bounced into the woods (and apparently shattered into small pieces afterward). The rest of the 757, which officials claim about 80%, tunneled it's way down through the ground and the hole made from the plane burrowing its way under self-sealed itself, leaving behind only a shallow 10ft-deep crater, blocking any view that a 757 had just burrowed deep down into the ground.


(Hi-res photo)

The FBI, who where the excavation crew in the yellow and white hazmat suits, reportedly had to dig about 15ft under the crater to start finding the buried plane and down to a depth of about 45ft to find all of it.

They claim 95% of Flight 93 was recovered, so about 15% of the plane had to be above ground if 80% was recovered underground.

The only photo that supposedly shows evidence of 80% of a 757 being dug out of the ground is the trial photo of the engine scrap next to a backhoe bucket. Coincidentally, this engine scrap is small enough to fit in the very backhoe bucket seen next to it.



They do show a photo of part of a black box that looks to have been photographed down in a hole, but it's a closeup photo that shows no signs that it was actually taken in the excavated hole in Shanksville, so we have no way of knowing where it was photographed.

What happened to Flight 93's tailsection, is quite a "tail."

So that is the extraordinary official story of what happened to Flight 93 after is allegedly crashed in that Shanksville field and as they say, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof" and so far I haven't seen any extraordinary evidence to make me believe 80% of a 757 was under that shallow crater, or a 757's cockpit broke off and flung into those woods.


PS - As for the title of this thread "Hole in the Ground," there was no hole in the ground. Only a shallow crater.




[edit on 14-5-2009 by Killtown7]



reply posted on 14-5-2009 @ 02:11 PM by turbofan
reply to post by CameronFox



Please stay on topic and answer my questions. I don't really appreciate
the derail. We've already provided you with at least ONE accident
investigator that doesn't agree. We've done our part. Now do yours,
and stop with the B.S.

[edit on 14-5-2009 by turbofan]


reply posted on 14-5-2009 @ 02:19 PM by turbofan
reply to post by Killtown7



Star for you!




I guess they dug down pretty deep to find that bandana clean as a whistle
no less!

Maybe they used "Clorox", or "Downy" to get all the dirt out before putting it inside
the plastic baggie? I couldn't get my clothes that clean if my life
depended on it.

So...we have 'proof' of UA93 by recovering a bandana worn by a
terrorist , located in the cockpit.....WAY down in the hole...BUT...
not a single seat, or fabric like Killtown suggests?

How nice of the FBI to prove the existence of UA93 by releasing photos
of head wear, as opposed to seats, landing gear, rims, etc.





I love this thread almost as much as the Taxi Cab challenge, but nobody
wants to play there.

[edit on 14-5-2009 by turbofan]



reply posted on 14-5-2009 @ 02:20 PM by adrenochrome
personally, i think the best evidence is the photos on this page comparing an ordinance blast to the Flight 93 crash:

www.thewebfairy.com...
(look about halfway down the page)

then it shows what a jet crash looks like... you be the judge - jet crash?

...or ordinance blast?


reply posted on 14-5-2009 @ 02:32 PM by turbofan
reply to post by CameronFox



Nothing like Shanksville.

The plane broke apart into pieces above the ground - not into the ground.

There is debris visible all over the crash site within a confined area.

The debris located '8 miles away' was found the next day and was carried
by the wind. Nothing like Shanksville where pictures were taken minutes
after "impact" and not enough wind force to carry parts away before
reporters arrived.

Nice try to relate the two. I can see why some people are having trouble
understanding how UA93 could dig itself into the ground if they can't
distinguish between simple characteristics listed above.

Crash debris field....and wind scattered debris field the next day.

[edit on 14-5-2009 by turbofan]

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