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You Tube Free Speech Purge Accelerates, Infowarrior Channel Banned

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posted on May, 14 2009 @ 06:57 AM
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Originally posted by 1234567
Sounds bad. Did you contact them / make a complaint?


Of course, no reply yet unsurprisingly! I think the website is a con, beware of this when looking for youtube alternatives. I expect that the person in this thread who's posting about BetterStream is probably an affiliate or otherwise unaware of their scams. I wonder how much money they've pulled in from this as they run no advertising...

Just helping to deny some ignorance.




posted on May, 14 2009 @ 07:12 AM
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Does anyone know what THEIR reason for doing it is? The one they are giving?



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 08:20 AM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
reply to post by mystiq
 

While i totally agree with you, i dont see anyone out with torches marching towards DC, i dont know why people are letting all this happen, but they are. We are a pathetic society


Since time began people wanted things a certain way, and they would fight to the death to have what they wanted.

Yet look at us! We are all sitting around waiting..... for what? The end?

This is why is listen to Alex Jones, because the man has taken it upon himself to do or die. Thats remarkable!



I know, we're being defeatist. In this case, the first step is to let our fingers do the walking. We need to contact Youtubes. And if that doesn't work, the next step needs to be planned. Massive protests.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 08:27 AM
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I hate people who hypocrite the most..

Example: One gripes about free speech when something like this happens, however if a Cop down the street says something one doesn't like that is nasty, etc.. They get all upset, and want to shut up the Cop, etc...

Free speech goes both ways you know...

Here are a few things to remember:

Don't listen to anyone who tells you that you can whatever you want...

Evil censors Good, just as Good censors evil...

In anarchy there is A RULE, that rule is to do whatever you want, however what happens when the person next to you decides to be just as evil as you? In other words - Anarchy is cool ONLY if your the one allowed to do whatever you want...

For everyone who screams about being censored - I can scream the same thing if I were to watch child p0rn, etc..., and you tried to CENSOR me, by shutting it down, etc...


Watch out for what you wish for, 'cause without a lil thought, and understanding you may just find yourself supporting something you were NOT wishing to support...


[edit on 14-5-2009 by nowshining]



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 09:39 AM
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Your post was very confusing. Could you clarify what you were trying to say there? Are you for censorship? Are you for mind control and manipulation? Do you think there are people who somehow are more able and entitled to hold the reigns (whips?) of authority and tell others what they can and cannot say?

I agree with anyone that says that one's freedoms end where the freedom of another begin, however no legitimate freedom (ie, a freedom that respects the freedom of others) has ever been removed by words alone, so I don't get what you are trying to say.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 10:35 AM
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Mr. Jones has definatly crossed the line millions of times on YouTube. He has not taken off his clothes and showed us his goodies, however, he is exposing something of a governmental nature and i still say, it is suspect that the person with the most hits, I guess he's in the top 20, for worldwide hits, has been yanked out of there.

I smell a government RAT.

I am entitled to. Just because you dont, doesnt make me an idiot conspiracy fool.

I know all about T & C's ;for all websites.


THE GOVERNMENT HAS A HAND IN MSM AND THEY HAVE A HAND IN THE INTERNET= **NEWSFLASH!!!!!



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
I smell a government RAT.


You are probably correct.


I am entitled to. Just because you dont, doesnt make me an idiot conspiracy fool.


I would never insinuate anything of the kind dg, you are one of the members who's intelligence I respect the most.


I know all about T & C's ;for all websites.


I only posted those for legal clarification. The point here isn't that they are doing it, it is why and under what premise they are doing it.

My only proposition here is that Alex Jones is not entitled to have his material on youtube.


THE GOVERNMENT HAS A HAND IN MSM AND THEY HAVE A HAND IN THE INTERNET= **NEWSFLASH!!!!!


True enough.


Thankfully Mr. Jones has a couple of servers where he can post his thoughts.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 01:01 PM
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Has anyone noticed how comments that get a "thumbs down" now can hardly even be read? I always like reading the negative comments on youtube and for a while I couldn't read them, but now you have to click "reply" and then it will show you what the comment was.

Before it used to show the number of thumbs down, and the comment. Then it went to showing the number of thumbs down, and the comment hidden (but there was a option to "show" the comment). Now after it gets like 6 thumbs down, you can't even get the comment shown, unless you reply to it which took me a while to figure out.

It just bugs me that this is happening. Someone can go on a music video and say "I liked her a lot better back 10 years ago" and people won't like it, and basically senor the comment, and for what? It just reminds me of the tendency for "displeasing" topics or thoughts to be supressed. Prozac smiles comes to mind, "here everyone, dig in!".

[edit on 14-5-2009 by ghaleon12]



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 01:12 PM
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youtube can ban whoever they please.... get a real conspiracy theory up here not this nonsense.

if this guys personal website was shutdown... then thats termination of free speech.

youtube is not a freespeech center... its a video uploading website that has rules and is owned by a company..


jeeze guys get real... thats like saying... oh man my dad got kicked out of a store because he was talking to the customers making weird accusations about public figures.

youtube isnt public property. get some real conspiracies up here.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 01:22 PM
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7. Account Termination Policy
YouTube will terminate a User's access to its Website if, under appropriate circumstances, they are determined to be a repeat infringer.
YouTube reserves the right to decide whether Content or a User Submission is appropriate and complies with these Terms of Service for violations other than copyright infringement, such as, but not limited to, pornography, obscene or defamatory material, or excessive length. YouTube may remove such User Submissions and/or terminate a User's access for uploading such material in violation of these Terms of Service at any time, without prior notice and at its sole discretion.

www.youtube.com...




go read their terms of service... jeesk says nothing about free speech anywhere!

[edit on 14-5-2009 by sciencenewby]



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 02:01 PM
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People saying corporations can do whatever they want because it's their dime need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture.

Sure, they want you to think that way. It's great if consumers just mindlessly submit to corporate doctrines with an "I agree" button. But last time I had law lessons what I was told was that their was a NATIONAL legal order based on HUMAN RIGHTS which every other legal branch was submitted to. Perhaps it's different in the 21st century, what with all the terrorist paranoia and lieing and all that, but in the good old days that is what we had.

Or, in other words, if you guys want to be free, you better get your priorities straight, because by assuming corporations are above the law because they make their own law you have just accepted fascism. That is what fascism is, for the most part, corporate rule of the national because of popular acceptance (usually engineered through youth movements like brown shirts and under a climate of fear).

Alex Jones is no angel, as I've said before, but look at what you're losing...



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 02:05 PM
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reply to post by Mindmelding
 


Alternatively, just stop using youtube.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by Mindmelding
People saying corporations can do whatever they want because it's their dime need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture.

Sure, they want you to think that way. It's great if consumers just mindlessly submit to corporate doctrines with an "I agree" button. But last time I had law lessons what I was told was that their was a NATIONAL legal order based on HUMAN RIGHTS which every other legal branch was submitted to. Perhaps it's different in the 21st century, what with all the terrorist paranoia and lieing and all that, but in the good old days that is what we had.

Or, in other words, if you guys want to be free, you better get your priorities straight, because by assuming corporations are above the law because they make their own law you have just accepted fascism. That is what fascism is, for the most part, corporate rule of the national because of popular acceptance (usually engineered through youth movements like brown shirts and under a climate of fear).

Alex Jones is no angel, as I've said before, but look at what you're losing...


your argument is ambiguous and doesn't actually make any points

youtube is not above the law. They have a user agreement that you accept before you create your account that states many things.

you should read it sometime. Youtube is not a free speech environment. and you acknowledge that when you accept the terms of use.

by using their website you abide by those rules. abiding by youtubes rules means you are giving up your rights or dont use their website.

therefore the fact that youtube is violating free speech is false. infowarrior accepted the end user agreement. voiding there rights as an american to use this website.

the website is not public property. if someone comes over your house and you tell them not to talk about politics, and they do, you can kick them out and it has nothing to do with freedom of speech.

you are in youtubes house. not your own. go buy your own website... if that gets shutdown.... then you got a conspiracy theory.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 02:12 PM
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oh and also.... your point about NATIONAL legal order regarding human rights...

did infowarrior try and make their own website and get denied? nope.. looks like everyones rights are still in check.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by schrodingers dog
reply to post by Mindmelding
 


Alternatively, just stop using youtube.


I can live with that. It's going to be a huluesque boobtube in pretty short order anyway.

As I've said before, if people want information freedom they (we) need to wise up and realise we need peer to peer content delivery models, as a server based information delivery platform, no matter which, is only as a free as the people running it want it to be, and if they are centralized under a corporation, geographic location and staff then you have something which the NWO, through finance and law, can simply muscle in on and gut. It's going to happen to every corporate alternative site, from infowars to the youtube channels, probably sooner rather than later.

Want to have information freedom? That's how, there is no other way. Remember some ISP's have already shut down some newsgroups and all that.

They are fighting a losing battle, in the old soviet union fax machines were used as a pre internet truth movement of sorts. If they couldn't stop that there is no way in hell they can sniff every packet of tcp-ip traffic, something which I suspect they realise. The internet of the future won't even have ISP's as people will start networking routers and PDA's and even cell phones into a peer to peer communications grid which will radically outperform any centralized effort.

The NWO has already lost the censorship battle. They just haven't realised it. Every passing month they get backed further into the corner. They are living in shrinking space.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 02:16 PM
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Actually it makes one fundamental point: human rights trump corporate regulations. It gets murky in the trenches so to speak, but the principle is actually very clear. It's also clear in the US constitution.

You can't legally have corporate default contracts overriding higher legislation, that is my very clear and concise point.

(Well, of course we can, and often do. But it's just colour of law...)

About your second point: National legislation trumps the corporate regulations. If you can't discriminate because of sex or race, you can't censor (which is discrimination also) based on political views. The most we would have is anti hate speech laws applied, but I don't think those have passed yet, and even they are basically pushed out by a congress which I think everyone is starting to see is treasonous and taking measures beyond what is constitutionally acceptable.

Again, it's all colour of law. It always is in the first phases of fascism. Then it becomes law on the sole basis of authority. Is that the world you want to live in?

[edit on 14-5-2009 by Mindmelding]



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by Mindmelding
reply to post by sciencenewby
 


Actually it makes one fundamental point: human rights trump corporate regulations. It gets murky in the trenches so to speak, but the principle is actually very clear. It's also clear in the US constitution.

You can't legally have corporate default contracts overriding higher legislation, that is my very clear and concise point.

(Well, of course we can, and often do. But it's just colour of law...)

About your second point: National legislation trumps the corporate regulations. If you can't discriminate because of sex or race, you can't censor (which is discrimination also) based on political views. The most we would have is anti hate speech laws applied, but I don't think those have passed yet, and even they are basically pushed out by a congress which I think everyone is starting to see is treasonous and taking measures beyond what is constitutionally acceptable.

Again, it's all colour of law. It always is in the first phases of fascism. Then it becomes law on the sole basis of authority. Is that the world you want to live in?

[edit on 14-5-2009 by Mindmelding]



again... you do not have the RIGHT to post on youtube. just like you cant go on other peoples property without their permission.

I dont think you understand that? That is youtube's property. you have zero right's over that website.

also no one even knows why he was banned. so this whole thread is based on speculation. Are you sure he was banned because of somethin he said? maybe he uploaded a video that went against the rules... too lengthy or something.


basically what your saying is equivelant to allowing stop and shop to go into bank of america and put up a sign that says stop and shop now hiring!

they cant.... stop and shop is allowed to tell people they are hiring... just not inside bank of america...

infowarrior can say whatever they want under free speech.... just not on youtube.... and we dont even know if he was banned for free speech.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 02:46 PM
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That's where you're wrong, if you accept my argument. If you accept that people have fundamental rights under the highest laws of the land, you can't create a space where some people are allowed to use them, and others, because of arbitrary corporate valorizations cannot.

The right to free speech is a right to use it where everyone else can use it. To allow people free speech unless they say something you don't like is a violation of that right, regardless of who owns what.

Public forums are just that, public. It's not the corporations right to filter access based on their own criteria. Unless you have a situation where individual freedoms limit the freedoms of others. Someone advocating murder or something along those lines... but these days we have people inciting murder with "hang em high" type posts that are left untouched and only the people with information and ideology get banned...

Unless everyone accepts that they can have those rights, in which case I'll leave the warning again: that is fascism. That is allowing a corporate entity, without any personal accountability, to limit the previously undeniable human rights.

Again, I urge you, and everyone, to think about this and decide what sort of world you want to live in. This is more important even than most have realised.

[edit on 14-5-2009 by Mindmelding]

[edit on 14-5-2009 by Mindmelding]



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by Mindmelding
reply to post by sciencenewby
 

If you accept that people have fundamental rights under the highest laws of the land, you can't create a space where some people are allowed to use them, and others, because of arbitrary corporate valorizations cannot.


The right applies to the internet not youtube. That is to say that if say the government was preventing AJ from using the internet (which they are not) that would be a fair premise.

Consider Project Chanology as it relates to free speech. It isn't about youtube's rights to control content, it is about third parties controlling youtube's content. I use this only as an example btw, not an endorsement.

Now consider Macy's ... They make a determination as to which clothing labels they carry, yet they do not get sued by those they don't carry for breach of rights.

This is simple SOP for ALL businesses.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 03:28 PM
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I think that many hear are missing the point that Corporations exist at the Discretion of the Public!

Go watch "The Corporation" documentary if you don't understand/believe this important principle - because that's what a Corporate Charter (a Govt. given permit to Incorporate) is all about!

Why do corroprations run ripshod over communities then? Well that has to do with the fact that a lack of Campaign Finance Reform allows your politicians to be Bought and Paid for several times over - in fact they have little choice but to totally sell out just to run for office!

(and they - therefore - never seem to revoke Corporate Charters from their Corporate Masters)

What You Tube has really done here is abuse the Public Trust - by being internally consistant to their own T&C's when it served to allow them to become popular and grow rapidly - but then they turned and bit the hand that Fed them by arbitrairily and corruptly placing blanket bans on anti-coroprate content.

This is Inconsistant with their own T&C and goes dramatically against their community grass roots beginnings.

Our best route is to so throughly harass and protest them that they cannot efficiently function without bowing to our demands - but if our political leaders were not so corrupt - we could actually challenge their charter and potentially have them lose their Corporate status and protection due to their underming of the Public Trust and going against community standards.

Since it is likely that it is too little to late we clearly need to create a TruTube (or somesuch) that is operated by a NON PROFIT corporation or foreign entity.

Using ATS as a substitute for You Tube would be to create an identical situation as exists today.



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