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Europe calls for rules on RFID chips

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posted on May, 13 2009 @ 02:12 PM
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Seriously now i doubt the government will throw me in jail for getting laid. And as far as religion...well i have no religion.This whole "Mark of the beast" thing is nothing more then BS. You people need to stop taking those movies to heart. None of those that you think will happen will happen.




posted on May, 13 2009 @ 02:18 PM
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It depends where you go to get laid. They already profile, my good friend in San Francisco was white with a nice car, every single time he went to pick up another friend of ours in a worse neighborhood, he was pulled over, hand-cuffed, car searched and eventually released. I am not saying it happened a couple of times, it happened several times per week for about 3 years!

I used to drive back and forth from Florida to Missouri and Texas regularly. Several of my credit cards would get inactivated if I used them sporadically along the way. I had to call and let them know I was travelling.

If you are chipped, I guess you won't mind calling Big Brother and letting them know where you will be all the time, or face getting detained, cuffed, questioned, and searched because you want to visit someplace unusual for your kind.



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 02:28 PM
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I don't have time to lead a parnoid life and blame the government for everything. I don't know you or your friend and for all I know you could be lying out of your teeth. But i got a life lead and i'm not going to lead my life looking over my shoulder.



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 02:54 PM
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Hey, no problem, to each their own. I don't live paranoid, but I do check over my shoulder, look over a room before sitting down, make eye contact with everyone coming through the door, etc.

I only stress my point to you, because when the majority thinks it is ok, it will become much more difficult for anyone else to resist. I feel the scale is tipping toward the laissez-faire side, and these chips will become a reality all too soon. I don't want my kids having to make the choice. They have already had so much freedom yanked away from them compared to my childhood.



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 02:55 PM
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Your statement - about the EU "agreeing that you can implant RFID chips".

Is FALSE. Tell me where exactly, either within the source OR the press statement, does it mention personal implants?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

ATS PEOPL - If you're thinking of ranting, look at this dudes "sources" first.

You, Sir, should NOT be posting fear mongering rubbish.

Stick to the factsm, or don't bother at all.



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 04:05 PM
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RFID technology is not as advanced as it is perceived to be at this stage, an RFID scanner needs to be in close proximitry to be able to read\write information back and to and in many practical applications today, 2D barcodes are used as a proven and cheaper alternative instead.

Barcode tattoos are at least fashionable


[edit on 13-5-2009 by freeradical]



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by Mr. Johansson
Nice choice of words there, "acceptance of consumers". Not humans, not even citizens.


Yes,good point


Found this link interesting:


Feds approve human RFID implants:

The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved a gimmick from Florida-based Applied Digital Solutions to chip people with RFID implants - previously confined to tracking animals - thereby making it easy to access their medical records, even when they cannot, or would rather not, cooperate.

www.theregister.co.uk...

[edit on 02/10/08 by karl 12]



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 04:20 PM
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You know when you think about it, it makes perfect sense. You can track down stolen merchandise. Find lost children and spouses. Cut down on drug sales. It sounds awesome...... BUT, You give up everything! They follow you, They know your spending habits. They know your routine. They have you by the short hairs!

I'm sorry, but I'm not about to give up the little bit of freedoms I have left. They make it sound great and convenient and as painless as possible.

It wont be long (probably the next terrorist attack) and this will become mandatory. They will start off with prison......then be.ing.

They will claim that if I don't have anything to hide. Then I shouldn't object to the mark(or chip).

I seriously don't believe the chip is the mark of the beast. The bible calls the mark blaspemious (sp). That means it uses Gods name in some form or another. I don't think the mark is in existence yet. I do think the chip is a prelude though. To get people use to the idea.

Sorry If I strayed off topic a bit. My bad.



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 04:38 PM
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I think that when they are ready to implement it world wide they will have people so worked up that they will be demanding it.

They will store your 'personal, private' information on Google servers.

All in the name of bettering society. Less crime, for the good of man yada, yada, yada....

Reminds me of Demolition Man, one of my favorite movies, even if it is cheesy.

"You see, according to Cocteau's plan I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think; I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech and freedom of choice. I'm the kind of guy likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder - "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecued ribs with the side order of gravy fries?" I WANT high cholesterol. I wanna eat bacon and butter and BUCKETS of cheese, okay? I want to smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section. I want to run through the streets naked with green Jell-o all over my body reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly might feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiener".




posted on May, 13 2009 @ 04:56 PM
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Tell me where exactly, either within the source OR the press statement, does it mention personal implants?

While the article does not specifically say that the chips arer to be implanted, yet. Verichip itself does.


VeriChip products marked by the “Implantable” icon mean they utilize the implantable, passive RFID microchip, the VeriChip™, in their solutions for the purpose of automatic identification.
Verichip


VeriChip is the only company in the world today to offer an implantable FDA-cleared RFID microchip and offers this option in its VeriMed and VeriGuard systems

The FDA cleared the human verichip in Oct, 2004 and they have been in manufacture ever since. I find it interesting that Verichip claims

The chip itself does not contain any other data other than this unique electronic ID, nor does it contain any Global Positioning System (GPS) tracking capabilities.
Verichip

Yet in 2004 they said


VeriChip technology is already widely used for the tagging of pets, and to track livestock, so is well established as an 'in vivo' technology.

It is well known that tracking lost pets is available and part of their advertising includes the ability to find lost kids (thats human kids). Contrary to their website in 2004 they bragged


VeriChip is also working on an implant that will contain Global Positioning System (GPS) capabilities. Such a device would allow an individual with a scanner to pinpoint someone's position anywhere around the world.
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Individual opinions about the reality of implanting chips depends simply on whether or not you are willing to do some investigating. To me it is very clear that the intent is to force/coerce the population into being chipped. It really is no secret.

Verichip would have failed long ago but some entities with very deep pockets have kept it alive. Why do you suppose that is?



Two employees have been injected with RFID chips this week as part of a new requirement to access their company's datacenter.

Cincinnati based surveillance company CityWatcher.com created the policy with the hopes of increasing security in the datacenter where video surveillance tapes are stored.

It has already begun, if only small scale.

Although the company does not require the microchips be implanted to maintain employment, anyone without one will not be able to access the datacenter, according to a Register article.
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posted on May, 13 2009 @ 05:48 PM
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Thanks, AlienChaser! Couldn't have put it better, myself. Mr. Vagabond, if you don't want to believe that they have plans to implant these things in us, that's fine. I prefer to err on the side of caution. This thread isn't an attack on the UK or any other European country, it's an alert regarding governments in general. If you took it as Europe-bashing, that wasn't my intent. The point is: if the European government is ok with giving us our own personal chips, (whether they are subcutaneously implanted or not) as long as our "privacy is ensured," then, most likely, the US government is as well.


TA



[edit on 13-5-2009 by TheAssociate]

[edit on 14-5-2009 by TheAssociate]



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 05:50 PM
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To everyone else, thank you all for the replies, stars and flags. I didn't really expect this thread to get that much attention. I will read all the replies when i have a chance. Again, thanks,


TA



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 10:02 PM
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Heh, freaky stuff happening here. You know, to relate to this topic, these RFID chips remind me of a movie that has a similar technique in controlling people.

It is called, Demolition-Man, played by Sylvester Stallone and Wesley Snipes. What really sets off this movie and reality is... they also seem to be using human embedded chips as well.

When John Spartan (Stallone) and Simon Phoenix (Snipes) were sentenced to the freezer box for 60 years, Only Spartan was chipped but not Phoenix.

My guess is, the chips in DM are vastly future advanced models from our current ones that are being slowly implemented.

This raises the concern... Who will be chipped, and who will not be. I could see this as being, that only a "select" few will not be chipped. The reason being, so they could possibly work as undercover government agents (So to speak...).



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 07:25 AM
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My guess is, the chips in DM are vastly future advanced models from our current ones that are being slowly implemented.


Not that vastly advanced at all. They probably were at the time the movie came out, but just about everything done in that movie is now possible and in some cases, very common. There are many other movies with sci-fi reality as well.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Thread about RFID in moving cars at border and inland. It is already used in passports, credit cards, apartment keys, vehicle ignitions, etc.

It is a small step from having a seperate small chip in each of those devices, to having one unique chip that you carry and program to all the devices.

Imagine, even if it is not implanted at first, but a small key FOB that carried in your pocket will enable your cell phone, unlock your apartment, unlock your car as you approach, expedite you through customs and airports, pay for your gas at the pump, give the doctor all your medical history and insurance info, ......there are dozens more.
--> All those mentioned above already exist and are in use at this time. It is only a small matter of tying them into one unique ID instead of several. We already have a unique ID assigned to us, so how much of a stretch is this? Once we get used to that for a generation or so, and it is too tiresome to remember that silly FOB all the time, why not just implant it under the skin, ....how convenient!

I can't believe how many people still think this is science fiction, it is here, it is effective, and to most, it will appear to be a fabulous new idea.


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posted on May, 14 2009 @ 08:03 AM
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Are there a business out there that specialises in producing Faraday Cages for home infrastructure? Seems to me that the market is lagging behind providing these for the common people.

Here is an example for Medical, Scientific, IT and Military applications:

www.faradaycages.com...



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 08:19 AM
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www.abovetopsecret.com...

There is a great thread here regarding that issue. There are dozens of quality links on that thread as well.

I don't think any company specializes in home versions, but any construction company would be able to retrofit a home if given the specifics you desire. It really depends on what you are trying to accomplish. A fine overlapping and layered copper or aluminum mesh wrapping a room or a home with a good ground will work for basic radio/microwave signals, but you need dense lead and cement to stop radiation from a fallout, or a solar event. There is an infinite scale of in-between protections.

Doing an entire home is kind of moot because of the doors and windows. Creating a "safe" interior room is probably more feasible. There are many companies that specialize in safe rooms, and you could easily add the faraday protection to a product they already offer.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by TheAssociate

The European Commission has put out a series of recommendations to protect European citizens from the privacy risks associated with RFID chips.


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They will bring it in on the thin end of the wedge argument. (bring in reduction of privacy). If we have nothing to hide then we have nothing to fear. BUT what we do have to fear is a leviathon governing body, who is not controlled by the electorate but controls the electorate.

My friends, there is no difference between dictatorship, democracy or religious leaders.

I for one will be getting put into prison before they chip me. I have the right to be free, so until they TAKE my freedom i will not willingly giving it up.



posted on May, 15 2009 @ 02:45 PM
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I don't think that the NWO will enforce RFID chips onto the population.

Rather, we are going to have an electronic imprint on our skin, which is a much more effective way of getting approval from the people as it's not an object being implanted, so to speak.


Also, can you show us a link where the EU Commission actually sates that?
I haven't seen it anywhere...

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posted on May, 16 2009 @ 12:54 AM
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Found this website. I'm looking for others. They all seem to tiptoe around the issue of implantation, and to me (bearing in mind, i'm rather paranoid) that seems suspicious.

I don't think it matters whether they plan to actually implant us with them or not. Humans should not have their own, personal computer chip anywhere. Where the chip will be is beside the point.

TA



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posted on May, 16 2009 @ 01:11 PM
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The basic model would consist of a tiny GPS transceiver placed in a capsule and inserted under a person's skin, so that authorities could track him easily.
MSM

On the issue of GPS chips. The prosecution rests.
Deny ignorance!

On the far more shocking and frightening issue of chips that not only track, but have the ability to kill dissenters. ATS

This technology is now.



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