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Area 51 alien interview

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posted on May, 13 2009 @ 05:56 PM
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PPS: for further life-like puppet eyes, check out Farscape. Jim Hensen's son does some fantastic work communicating complex emotions through inorganic materials.

i am usually not the nay-sayer, and my own jury is still out on this particular video, but i do think that remarkable things can be done nowadays with animatronics, puppetry and prosthetics.




posted on May, 13 2009 @ 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by adjay
Who did this "2008" version, how did they make contact with "Victor"?


I believe its the same company that did the previous documentary, Rocket pictures was it? Also, It was Victor who contacted them.


Originally posted by adjay
If this second video is indeed the same Victor, then you can add me to the "non-believers" list, and take it from me I quite liked considering the original alien interview to possibly be real evidence.


Let's assume it's birds and not CGI, or that if it is CGI, Victor had no knowledge of its addition; Why would what he says in this video cause you to stop thinking critically about his claims, and cause you to "Not believe" in anything he has to say?


Has anyone looked into his claims about where Rummie was on March 23rd or 24th (If my memory servers, often times it does not.) of '08?



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 07:16 PM
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Has anyone looked into his claims about where Rummie was on March 23rd or 24th (If my memory servers, often times it does not.) of '08?



Excellent, I wasn't sure if any other members picked up on that



I have somewhat and will continue to do so. But I don't know if he was referring to 2008?! Rumsfeld resigned in 2005 from the Bush administration. I am also having trouble finding a source that would provide such whereabouts. So it is more of a search and eliminate thing. I will keep all updated.



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by MrShowBoat
Has anyone watched Victor's follow up video (2008?)

Here is the link for those who havent seen it
www.youtube.com...


No way that is the same person. He is ranting and pointing with a back scratcher. He does not sound nowhere near as confident as the original "Victor". It feels very fake.



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 08:32 PM
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You would be very surprised what over a decade can do to someone physically. My dad for example, he is a totally different person.



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 08:33 PM
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If I remember correctly, I think he says March 23rd or 24th of this year, And I assume the video was taken in 2008, so I would go with that time frame, here are two related comments from Youtube:




o.k. where was don rumsfeld in march 2008?





RUMSFELD IS SPENDING TRILLIONS McKiNNy GRILLS HIM MARCH 23 2008- VICTOR UR WELCOME I HAVE SEEN BETTER THEN UR VIDEO 072 CAPTURED GREY ELITE THEY BETTER BE LAVA


Not very helpful it would appear, but better than naught I suppose.

Also, here is another fun quote from the Youtube comments section:




Can anyone make out what Victor is saying after he says "my head is a bee hive"?? 8:58





He said something about a "Deluge Solair" Deluge: 1. a great flood of water; inundation; flood. 2. a drenching rain; downpour. 3. anything that overwhelms like a flood: a deluge of mail. So-lair might be a word in another language maybe? Probably Related to Solar or fire. Possibly Sun Heat. So some type of fiery rain or lava flood. (sō′ler): (meteorology) A name generally applied to winds from an easterly direction (that is, from the rising sun) in central and southern France.





"Deluge Solair" = "flood of solar fire"


I love it! A flood of solar fire, very poetic! Anywho, thanks for looking into this jkrog, you are a righteous dude/entity. I've seen some of your other threads and comments, and you bring some interesting perspectives to ATS, thank you.

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Originally posted by Digital_Reality
No way that is the same person. He is ranting and pointing with a back scratcher. He does not sound nowhere near as confident as the original "Victor". It feels very fake.


Not confident?! Perhaps it could have something to do with the fact that HE KNOWS HE'S GOING TO DIE SOON. I seriously doubt this is something that many of us have had to deal with (your impending death), how would it affect you, how would you deal with? Personally, I would probably start going on rants and/or tirades while scowling and making ineffectual pointed jabs at some invisible government entity with my antique wooden back scratcher.



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 08:47 PM
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It seems like the "alien" has no eyelids. I guess if it's an ET this could be for any number of reasons we don't know. But if I would think a creature having a fit like at the end would use it's eyelids.

Everything screams presentation of a puppet to me.



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 09:11 PM
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Thanks for your kind comments, I have many different research events going on right now, so I will hopefully bring more information to light in the near future. I am trying to "connect the dots",lol, if it can be done.

Thanks for the research links, I will check them out.


Not confident?! Perhaps it could have something to do with the fact that HE KNOWS HE'S GOING TO DIE SOON. I seriously doubt this is something that many of us have had to deal with (your impending death), how would it affect you, how would you deal with? Personally, I would probably start going on rants and/or tirades while scowling and making ineffectual pointed jabs at some invisible government entity with my antique wooden back scratcher.




Yea especially if he knows what he knows, I can imagine what I would be like knowing more than 95% of the human race and fixing to die! Talk about a chaotic confusion of conscious!



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 09:19 PM
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I don't know why people are saying that's not Victor in the 2008 interview. His voice and speech pattern sound EXACTLY like the original Victor.



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 09:27 PM
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LOL, I cant get over your avatar.......

Anyways, yea you are right, it is the same person, the speech pattern and emotional response gives it away.



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 11:06 PM
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I dont think the alien in the video was real. I don't think the government would manage to have any footage they might have of extraterrestrials leak out , ever. But really the extraterrestrials phenomenon is such a mysterious subject that I can never reach a certain conclusion with any of it. There are too many possibilities to claim any certainties or stand on any sides.



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 11:26 PM
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Originally posted by Diplomat
I don't know why people are saying that's not Victor in the 2008 interview. His voice and speech pattern sound EXACTLY like the original Victor.


Its just my opinion. Ill submit to the idea that time and old age has taken its toll on his demeanor.

There was much more speculation on his part this time on account of him being out of the loop since 1997. Not much new first hand accounts just wild random speculation.

It was all over the place from 2012 prophecy to Donald Rumsfield being set on the idea leaving the earth in the end of days.

It just felt like it was made up on the 2008 video. I'm not sure its even the same person. A voice box makes his voice indistinguishable. Thats the point! He sounds like every other voice Ive heard with a voice box.



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by Digital_Reality

Originally posted by MrShowBoat
Has anyone watched Victor's follow up video (2008?)

Here is the link for those who havent seen it
www.youtube.com...


No way that is the same person. He is ranting and pointing with a back scratcher. He does not sound nowhere near as confident as the original "Victor". It feels very fake.


I agree.

The new victor doesn't sound like the old victor from 1997... The old Victor sounds like Whitley Streiber.

In 1998, Art bell also interviewed the secretive "General A" who sounded like Victor/Streiber.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 01:57 AM
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Originally posted by ExquisitExamplE


RUMSFELD IS SPENDING TRILLIONS McKiNNy GRILLS HIM MARCH 23 2008- VICTOR UR WELCOME I HAVE SEEN BETTER THEN UR VIDEO 072 CAPTURED GREY ELITE THEY BETTER BE LAVA




I was looking into this comment and came across this video of Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney grilling Rummie. Not from 2008 but still a great watch, really makes you realize how iniquitous some of these large corporations really can be. I've only watched the 1st minute or two, thought I'd share and then continue. Be well friends.

Fire up the grill

P.S. Can someone direct me on how to embed youtube videos? I put the number in, but it always comes back malformed, I thought it was everything after v=?



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 03:25 AM
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At 1:08 they cut away to a section of CGI of an fuzzy triangular aircraft performing amazing acrobatics so why is it so hard to believe that the object that flies across the screen at 6:20 isn't a CGI craft added for atmosphere? The fact that it flies on a perfect level plane across the screen at amazing speed and disappears before it gets to the other side proves it's not a bird. I like to keep an open mind but I'm having a hard time believing anything this guy has to say because of the way it has been presented.



Edit to include video clip



[edit on 14-5-2009 by RE2505]



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 03:42 AM
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I agree that it detracts from a video when they add cheesy creepy music or some other type of foolish effect, or when they intersperse it with footage that is clearly false but has no disclaimer stating such. I imagine it must be tough to try and make a living as a UFOlogist, and as with any field of study, presentations will offer varying levels of truth, clarity and insight.


Originally posted by RE2505
The fact that it flies on a perfect level plane across the screen at amazing speed and disappears before it gets to the other side proves it's not a bird.


I know that you know what proof means, and you know that I know that your statement is not definable as proof.

Also, splicing different footage and documents (questionable or not) into a video is a completely different thing than adding CGI effects to the interview itself, I don't think your line of reasoning is sound.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 04:20 AM
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I really like the suggestion that he could of been the telepath that was filmed (or maybe part of a group of telepaths that worked in the series of interviews).

If not then why did he seem distressed/emotional when the alien got sick. That could also explain how he managed to get a copy of the interview while it was being transfer to digital format.


I didnt really notice the birds or even that section during his 2008 interview.

Has anyone seen the 'deciphered' version of his voice on youtube? In that version he doesnt sound as angry.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 07:24 AM
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Here's a little piece of info I found on Rummie after searching awhile, whether it is true or not I cant say as the link insdie this link seems to be broken.....


www.rense.com...




Will keep searching as this seems to be a rather important hint to........something....



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 08:30 AM
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It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Donald Rumsfeld is in the "know". He started under President Gerald Ford in 1975 as the 21st Secretary of Defense. He has been "on the hill" for more than 33 years.

Victor(supposedly) said in the 2008 video that it was realized that the telapaths were found to be frauds after some time (not exact wording).
I highly doubt he is a telapath after him saying that, not to mention the way he said it. It sounded like he had some animosity for them.


gl2

posted on May, 14 2009 @ 06:06 PM
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Starfemme1: In Feb. of 2008 I gave a Powerpoint presentation of my book Alien Mind (about how aliens think) to MUFON LA in Studio City, CA. It's near the Universal Studios and other film industry centers. On one page of my presentation I had three photos I thought looked like real aliens: the Michael Wolf photo of a gray, another of a gray-like, and that alien interview still. After my presentation two very sincere, seemingly helpful men approached to talk. They said I should be wary of that alien interview photo because they personally knew someone who said he'd helped to make that alien interview film. The two men I spoke two both worked in special effects in the industry. Their friend said he participated in making the alien interview video---he said it's just a "silicone puppet," an artificial film prop. Their friend said they made the video as a kind of exercise, perhaps a practice that involved challenges for special effects specialists in the film industry.

The two men were about late 30ish to mid fortyish and showed no sign of telling untruth--they seemed like actual film industry technical people. After they told me that, I re-viewed the alien interview video and found it to seem fake. It doesn't move in real life-like ways. It's too rigid; it lacks a full range of movement. So, I cut the still from my Powerpoint. I find nothing about the interview that makes it seem real. It's origins, the lack of genuine-seeming captions---it all suggests a fake. As for me, when that much says no, I don't keep it in my catalogue of probably actuals.



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