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One of These Days The Line Will Be Crossed

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posted on May, 12 2009 @ 06:05 PM
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You guys remember the situation that happened up in NH with Ed and Elaine Brown? That came close to starting a local firefight between the Sheriffs Dept. and locals who had taken up with them to defend their property. In that case the Sheriffs played it real real smart and won.

Well, it was fortunate that happened where it did. There are other parts of the country where the circumstances could be much more unforgiving.

A local event will happen, and the people, absolutely fed up, will get into such a firefight with authorities over protecting someone about to be hauled in for one of these frivolous offenses- especially over something like the confiscation of guns. But the stubborn authorities will keep escalating the situation, expecting the people to back down.

The problem is, they won't back down, and they will spread the word. And when cousin Bobby gets killed along with uncle Joe, 10 more will be really pissed and join the fight. And then the military will be brought in, causing still more bloodshed, and more people to join. And then part of the militia will get involved, and pistols will turn into rifles, and grenades will start flying.

This is probably how it will happen. Revolution. The only reason it hasn't is because the event hasn't happened yet in the unfortunate spot where people mean what they say and are prepared to die for it, "come hell or high water," as they say in the south. All of that ammunition disappearing off the shelves is going somewhere. The wrong spark in the wrong place, and boom.




posted on May, 12 2009 @ 06:10 PM
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I've thought the same thing for a long time, although I didn't think of this scenario.

I think you are correct. There will be an event. The event itself won't bust the window, but will be the catalyst for things to get completely sideways.

This talk of revolution. There won't be an assault on DC. There will be something that causes the people of the country to go over the edge, and once that Genie is out of the bottle, it will never again completely go back in.

Whatever happens, it will require the States to restore their Constitutional prominence.

And with the exception of California, the States can do a much better job than our Federal Government who needs to be returned to a pre-1900 form of government.

With homes being foreclosed on, jobs being lost, folks losing everything, tempers are starting to steam.

Be interesting to watch.

From a distance.



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 06:55 PM
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At what point will the greed, fraud, deception, lies, plundering and unaccountability result in a mainstream civic backlash known as a revolt, revolution, insurrection and reckoning, that point is the breaking point and it isn't far off.



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 07:02 PM
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I really didn't think of a law enforcement situation getting out of hand, but to answer your question - truthfully - no one knows.

But there is a lot of unease, a lot of anger, a lot of frustration, a lot of resentment, and an overall sense of impending doom in many sections of our society.

You can believe this. When it starts, * will get out of hand fast. Really fast! The riots in Liberty City, Los Angeles, New York, and even riots overseas were not long, drawn-out, organized affairs.

They seemingly, simultaneously, happened. And spread so fast.

Now, imagine this an hundred fold. A thousand fold, especially destructive to the larger cities and hubs of all our mobility, activity, banking, transport, and supply.

Things will completely shut down.



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 07:26 PM
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Anyone want to volunteer to set themselves up as Uncle Joe, so we can get the ball rolling on this party?


It would not surprise me if during the next full scale riot we'll be seeing international UN peacekeepers, with weapons, on our streets. That will of course only fuel the fire, and all hell will break out, as militias are formed to deal with these foreign troops on our street. And, Detroit, that's probably where it will all start.



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 07:29 PM
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Pretty good post. I think you are onto something especially when we consider what recently happend in the Greece riots. The masses are getting to a boil no doubt.



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 02:35 AM
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Good posts all, and thanks for the replies.

Well I forgot to mention that this is no disrespect whatsoever to the people in NH. They were infiltrated by plain clothes sheriffs, who promptly hauled Ed in when he least expected it and gave them his trust.

I wouldn't be too hasty volunteering as Uncle Joe to get the party started. Cause it will be anything but a party.

But what is a country to do when the voting system is corrupted, the politicians and the justice system are corrupt, taxes are killing us, gas is on the way back up, jobs are slim to none, and then they have the gall to steal another zillion dollars in bailout money from their servants and hand it to corporations who continually invest in overseas manufacturing?

When people see that there is no more social security after they worked their whole lives for it, because they stole that too, I mean come on!

Just how far are they going to push?

I have a hunch that all the people that think the idea of a revolution is the stupidest idea ever and it will never happen are either:
1) ignorant of what is happening around them
2) part of the problem
3) corrupt themselves
4) doing so well they don't want real overhaul of the system
5) or just don't give a crap about much of nothing other than immediate need

How can a government turn its back on its own veterans and leave them homeless in the streets?

How can they continue to claim state secrecy at every inquiry that gets too close to their little honey pot?

Something's got to give, man- for sure. But they ain't giving, and they ain't talking. All take and no give= one very bad hair day.

In talking to everyday people, I am amazed at just how upset people are- and these people have no idea about 911, the NWO, and everything else going on! I just don't have the heart to tell them anymore. They have already reached a point of vindictiveness that should not be aggravated further. And that's why this thread- because one of these days, they are going to get in over their heads on this. Critical mass.



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 03:20 AM
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I saw this on a Russian message board, "Americans eat Big Macs and watch Dancing With Stars they don't riot."



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 07:53 AM
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First of all credit to you for coming up with a creditable scenario . It would be difficult but not impossible for an insurgency to be sustained in the US . What goes against the insurgents is that the US military has finally cottoned on how to fight a counter insurgency war and has urban warfare experience . Also anybody with half a brain who knows what the so called liberators have done in differnt parts of the globe in the second half of the 20th century , would shy away from supporting the insurgents .

Unless the was a massive well coordinated uprising across the US my feeling is that one of the various branches of US special forces would put an end to any wannabe warriors . Anyway I have to get some sleep .



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 07:58 AM
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I think threads like this lead people to judge things totally wrong. You cannot make a decent decision on things with out all the facts. The thing you people ignore, is how much mind control american people are under.

this is a variable that no one can put into an equation and say this and that will happen, humans just are not like what they used to be in america.

I doubt americans will do anythign unless the ptb want it and use the mind control to make it happen.



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by xpert11
It would be difficult but not impossible for an insurgency to be sustained in the US . What goes against the insurgents is that the US military has finally cottoned on how to fight a counter insurgency war and has urban warfare experience.


Well, the American people have tried to explain this to the insurgents against the constitution for years. They've tried lawsuits, legislation, and everything else. They have been peaceful about it for the most part, and have extended every opportunity to the insurgents to stop this nonsense. But ya know, some people just get it in their head that they are above the law. :shk: It's a shame, isn't it?



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 12:44 PM
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When we talk about the line being crossed, this can also apply to a situation where the US crosses the line against other countries to cause the US to be attacked. I feel that a US/Israel attack on Iran could cause just that scenario.

The Chinese and the Russians are not stupid. They know what the US is doing in the Middle East trying to lock down all those oil fields along the Iran/Iraq border, in addition to the attempts at the Caspian Sea, and the attempts to encircle Russia with the ABM shield. I don't see how they can just sit back and let this happen. And they probably won't.



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 01:18 PM
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Can you please post a link to said story of Ed and Elaine in New Hampshire?



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 04:50 PM
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thats bunk man

oh they really learned how to fight a counter insurgency right?

by hiding in the green zone all day ?


they barely control 30% of iraq, if even that much

and how long has it taken to beat back the insurgency that has never died (there were bombings just the other day btw)

they would have NO chance against an American insurgency, no one would

USA + China + Russian + EU military would still buckle under the brutality of an American insurgency

they wouldnt be able to sustain the losses, and their logistics would be cut all over the map overnight

you would be amazed how fast the system would dissipate



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 05:05 PM
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Every time a post like this get out there, people start babbling on and on about how they are ready for a revolution of sorts. I have yet to see one post related to what the after effects of such a situation would be. There are 300 or so million of people in the U.S., who would be in charge of what and how? A revolt/revolution would set us back who knows how far back as a society and it would leave the door wide open for the rest of the world to pick us apart. Yes, we still have our nukes but who is going to be in charge of them puppies...some whackjob militia group...that is scary. Just sit back and enjoy the nwo show.



posted on May, 17 2009 @ 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by jitombe
Yes, we still have our nukes but who is going to be in charge of them puppies...some whackjob militia group...that is scary. Just sit back and enjoy the nwo show.


I don't understand why you would predispose any militia group attempting to take back this country from tyranny as wackos, when they are legitimately part of many state's constitutions, and have the right to do so as our own constitution so mandates.

As to the nuclear arsenals, it is my sincere hope they will get secured. And then I hope new talks of serious dismantling will begin with all other nuclear armed countries. Humanity has been held hostage for far too long by these evil devices.



posted on May, 18 2009 @ 01:43 AM
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This thread reminded me of an incident...


We all had a collective feeling like we'd had enough of this kind of [expletive]. It wasn't anything tangible anybody said to anyone else, it was just kind of like everything over the years had come to a head on that one particular night in the one particular place, and it was not an organized demonstration.... Everyone in the crowd felt that we were never going to go back. It was like the last straw. It was time to reclaim something that had always been taken from us.... All kinds of people, all different reasons, but mostly it was total outrage, anger, sorrow, everything combined, and everything just kind of ran its course. It was the police who were doing most of the destruction. We were really trying to get back in and break free. And we felt that we had freedom at last, or freedom to at least show that we demanded freedom. We weren't going to be walking meekly in the night and letting them shove us around—it's like standing your ground for the first time and in a really strong way, and that's what caught the police by surprise. There was something in the air, freedom a long time overdue, and we're going to fight for it. It took different forms, but the bottom line was, we weren't going to go away. And we didn't.


-- Michael Fader, describing the Stonewall Riots, which are credited with sparking the Gay Rights movement.

Everybody has their own "last straw" and when groupthink is involved...god help the people who snap the collective "last straw." Wrong spark, wrong place...indeed.

[edit on 18-5-2009 by theWCH]



posted on May, 18 2009 @ 02:11 AM
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The people I fear and hate in this situation will be the ignorant sheeps who will FIGHT TO STAY SLAVES. I'm talking about brainwashed cops, brainwashed army and brainwashed citizens.

We cannot forget them, they won't go away, they will be in the picture. They will fight the revolution. We all wish that all americans would be patriots, pro-constitution, unfortunately, that is NOT the case.

Money, lazyness and power are ruling a good part of america, and they will fight to keep the system alive.

But I'll be an optimist and I'll say that only 10% of the US population is like that. During the revolution against the brits, it was 30%... now with mass medias, the money god and the partisan politics... who knows how many will support the system to keep their slaves lives?

We better not kid ourselves, when revolution comes, and it will come, there will be thousands of deads, probably millions, we're talking about revolution here, not a walk in the park. War is hell but slavery is worse. How many will make the sacrifice to go to war instead of living their lives peacefully?

The idea of freedom must burn deep inside someone to make him sacrifice all he's got. How many americans are ready to sacrifice it all? Suffering and humiliation will revive those fire in americans hearts. The more they push us, the more the idea of freedom will be powerful...

We're like an atomic bomb. The more we get pushed around, the more we get compacted and the sooner we're gonna explode. Then when the uranium is too compacted, atoms start to merge and you have an atomic reaction. We then explode and it's unstopable.



posted on May, 18 2009 @ 03:12 AM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo
War is hell but slavery is worse.


Amen brudda.



How many will make the sacrifice to go to war instead of living their lives peacefully?


Not many initially, probably only a fraction of a percent. But let's hope I'm wrong.



The idea of freedom must burn deep inside someone to make him sacrifice all he's got. How many americans are ready to sacrifice it all? Suffering and humiliation will revive those fire in americans hearts. The more they push us, the more the idea of freedom will be powerful...


That makes me really stop and think what must have been in the minds of our forefathers. Fear, uncertainty, their families, and what would become of the land with all the bloodshed about to be.

But I want you all to ask yourselves what the alternatives to this are? What were the alternatives for them? Taxation into oblivion?

The word slaves seems extreme on the surface, but it really is not. Not anymore. For we are living it now. Extreme taxes exist on everything, and now they want to tax carbon? Water? ....Air?



Vets labeled as domestic terrorists? After they fought and died for the whims of the NWO? How about THAT for gratitude?

Evil. Pure evil. That's what these people are. The torture pictures ought to show anyone that. Anyone who wants to see it that is...

There is a reason my signature is what it is...GREED will destroy this country as it has so many others. Because that is what this all boils down to...GREED. Got to have more more more. 1 car isn't good enough. 1 house isn't good enough. 1 business isn't good enough. And American workers cost too much.

I went to a large national bank recently to inquire about a checking account. Since no one else was available, the bank manager came out. Now one look at this guy and I knew I was staring at a prime minion of NWO central. You can just tell. Evil in the eyes bigtime. Cold. Cruel. Cunning. I bet he beats his kids, sleeps around, and never takes his wife flowers!

Anyway, after he cleared me for an account, I asked him why all of a sudden they were offering free accounts with no minimum deposits. "Oh, it's just competition from other banks," he says. So I said "Oh, so it's not the fact that people are withdrawing their money from banks in anticipation of a run, and you people are trying to encourage bank deposits and more accounts?" Hehe, you should have seen the look on his face...If looks could kill...

And before he could say a word, I said "And you know, it's funny...I just checked into all the banks in this area, and there are fewer banks than ever before around here, because many shut down. So how can that mean there is more competition? If anything, there is less."

With a mean look he said "Well I guess you can just go and find another bank then, Mr. _______________." He promptly stood up and escorted me out of his office and to the door, with some kind of gesture to the front counter.



So even questioning them = no can do.



posted on May, 19 2009 @ 12:27 AM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican

Originally posted by jitombe
Yes, we still have our nukes but who is going to be in charge of them puppies...some whackjob militia group...that is scary. Just sit back and enjoy the nwo show.


I don't understand why you would predispose any militia group attempting to take back this country from tyranny as wackos, when they are legitimately part of many state's constitutions, and have the right to do so as our own constitution so mandates.

As to the nuclear arsenals, it is my sincere hope they will get secured. And then I hope new talks of serious dismantling will begin with all other nuclear armed countries. Humanity has been held hostage for far too long by these evil devices.


Federal laws trump state laws and the constitution is just a piece of paper considering the crimes against it the previous administration (and administrations before them) is/are guilty of and will never be prosecuted for. This used to be the land of the free and the home of the brave but that is ancient history at this point. The line was crossed a long, long time ago. I have nothing against militia groups, I think it's great that they are preparing for something that can and will not happen given the stranglehold the fed govt has on any real actions relating to leaving or uprising against the union. As for nukes, I think they're great and am against us dismantling them for any reason. You never know when you would need such weapons to be used as a planet/nation/state/whatever. Greed and corruption is in charge of the world and we are all sheeple. It's nice to think that you can change the world, one step at a time. Our inner thoughts are about the only thing left that nwo can't control, at least not yet. Freedom is an illusion, I like illusions.



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