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Where are all your conspiracy loving theories leading to?

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posted on May, 12 2009 @ 04:33 PM
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Hello all of ATS,
I have been going round in circles with conspiracies but I have chose to stick on one perspective and path which if some of you know me by now know what that is.

But at what stage are you now, sometimes it takes many years of reading to find out where it’s all leading.
Some stay in little bubbles of a certain subject, some stay in a larger bubble of many subjects and some just see the horizon where it all plays up according to what they believe in the faith.

But at what stage do you feel you are at now, have some of you given up, some seen the truth being that all these conspiracies are just nut jobs that you want to help put right?

How deep are people going, have you gone deep enough to yourself being part of a conspiracy or an awakening and a realisation?

Is this site making it worse, are we just pawns made to hate each other’s viewpoints so we blow each other out, who is winning the greater battle on ATS do you feel, where is the sway of it all now?

Big questions, but it needs defragmenting now and then to gain strength and stability from all the chaos. Are we just waking people up about conspiracies and the supernatural so that when things do happen we get people saved from the coming terrors of the unknown future world? Conspiracy theorist would cope more than the sceptics in a real global supernatural event, you will be the Guys who will be Strong and they will seek your Advice.

Be Proud ATS members
no matter who doubts you.

[edit on 12-5-2009 by The time lord]

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posted on May, 12 2009 @ 04:43 PM
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I for one believe that most of the conspiracies are just pieces of the puzzle. One big one. I tend to read about a broad range of them to try to get the big picture. I believe it is us just trying to figure out all of the oldest questions. Who,What, Why, And When. I tend to be able to see them fit together. Religion, ancient civilizations, Illuminati, ET, UFO's, enlightenment, politics, war, population control, diversion, it is all one thing. TPTB trying to hide who we are and where we came from for their own agendas. It is hard to go back once you think you have it figured out. Ignorance was bliss. Knowledge is eternal.

I think this site is good for humanity. I have learned much and been led down many paths from here. The more that realize the lies the better.

[edit on 12-5-2009 by timewalker]



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 05:31 PM
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Your posting seems to suggest that conspiracy theories tend to tie together. I believe they do not. There are a lot of powerful people in this world and they all have their own motivations and goals. I believe some of them tie together and lead somewhere but the majority are simply independent crimes done for personal gains.

This is especially true when you consider that we likely all know someone who "hatched a plot against someone" at some point in time considering smaller or nearly irrelevant cover-ups. I've known a couple people who it seems their favorite thing to do is be a complete jerk and plot against other people.

Also, I don't think most of us love conspiracy theories so much as we carefully consider each one as a possible truth rather than simply dismiss every theory that isn't a pre-packaged official explanation as many or most people will do. If there is an extreme theory on ATS with no evidence I'd say we have somewhat of a distaste for that kind of story even though we find them interesting and in some cases entertaining... like the guy who said he drilled a hole in his skull so he could download songs into his brain via implanted ethernet cable.



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 05:35 PM
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I'm in two minds about this, on one hand i think a world full of paranoid nuts people will be terrible but also so would the world we would end up in if people don't pay attention to the slow slide towards a police state...

i think the most important thing is to have an open mind and listen to all the arguments then make up ones own mind. Some tin-merchants make this really hard while others make it much easier, i don't know if the aggregate swing would point towards healthy or psychotic, some people i speak too are nuts and spout nonsense about how i'm an et/demon/lizard hybrid but i also speak to some very cool and clever people, plus many, many idle drifters, childe truth seekers, etc all traveling different tracks and paths.

i think basically life is what you make it, everything is on offer, take or leave what you want - people who go wrong are as likely to go wrong given any choices, at least if people are expecting it maybe it they won't be able to cause any big problems.



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 07:00 PM
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I've been researching conspiracies for about 5 or six year straight now. I've come to the conclusion that they are all connected by being disconnected.

The real people with power don't really do bad things they let bad things happen. (keeps their hands clean no matter what)

Step 1 Show the people you want the world to be a positive place(trust earned)

Step 2 Allow random acts of "evil" . It is my belief that these random acts destabilizes the world's metality leaving them ripe for change.

Step 3 implement what ever changes (laws/regime) you need to further your goal at the correct time.

The trick is to change only a little at a time. Drastic changes are always retaliated to an extent.

Now if you were to ask me why they would do this I would say the same reason other great empires tried to take over the world.

I mean the people in power wouldn't have to do anything other than fund the correct people to suit their needs. That also makes it look like money is the root of all evil. It's not, the power that money gives (cough cough bank control cough) is the true root of all evil.


PS:Consolidation of power is how in the end the "correct" people are left in charge. It is also my belief that they under estimate the power of hate. When/if their plan ever gets out into the open the masses will hate them. I think I can end on that note.

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posted on May, 13 2009 @ 12:15 PM
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I do believe evrything from ancient times to now are all related in many ways. We only see parts of the puzzle, some people go down different routes like for example say Freemasonary holds the keys to all secrets and world agendas. Some say the Roswell incident holds all the keys to the mysteries of life because that will explain past events in ancient history and may abolish religion in the world. Then you have the ghosthunters who want a break in that field to say their is life after death and the list goes on. David Icke for example has used every conspiracy and belief system to say we are in some Matrix system of lies. Also the religious belivers and the followes of prophecy and ancient texts say they are right because it all fits into everything they have been warned about in advance.

Have you people found a channel in which all information makes sense through one perspective?



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 12:31 PM
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The Nazi connection is the link of the puzzle that ties it all together....once you start looking at the history of the Nazi's, the VRIL and the Thule societies you can see how they tie into the Vatican, EU, and Bilderberg group and how they are influencing our daily lives. Operation Paperclip brought over many Nazi scientists, many more left before the end of WW2 to south america. A 4th reich is in power now and is very closely knit with with secret societies like the Skull and Bones society. Once you get a grip on WHO is in power the rest of it seems much easier to understand.

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posted on May, 13 2009 @ 12:45 PM
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Okay but what if you extend the ties with world history and see it as evil powers who keep creeping up but get defeated in some never ending process. Huamn nature will be human nature but if there is something pulling the strings then it maybe not of this plane of existance but in the spirit world, the war between good and evil, Angels and Demons for example, faith verses Satanic powers and orders that will reach a historical climax of humanity being wiped out befor the Messiah steps in to save us.



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 01:46 PM
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If you research the Thule & VRIL societies you will discover they had researched many occult aspects, divine, satanic, freemasonry etc. They used mediums and remote viewers to gain access to higher planes of knowledge which is where a lot of the technology had become revealed to them. They relied more on guidance from their mediums than from GOD or the Devil, I believe they were more interested in what the older religions talked about vs. the bible. Had they taken the bible as their sole means of guidance I am sure Nazi Germany would have been much different and they never would have been what they had become (IMO).

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posted on May, 13 2009 @ 01:47 PM
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Good post Time Lord, as per usual. I've been interested in conspiracies since Father Christmas and no matter how much I read and debate, scour the web or watch videos, I always come back to the same nagging question.

Why?

Why would the powers that be, shadow governments, Bilderbergs, NWO, whoever, conceive and implement these acts? To what end? Control? Power? To rule the world? They already have enough power to do what they want, enough money to buy entire countries and enough influence to alter perceptions, so what else could they want? People have said world domination, but this has already been achieved. We are no different from the slaves of history but instead of providing us with tents and food, they give us money to buy our own.

The only thing that would be worth all the trouble would be the existence of an extraterrestrial race or supreme being. I one hundred percent believe in aliens, probability is enough evidence for me, I don't need physical proof like the hundreds of members here. We are not alone in the universe and the aforementioned people are carrying out these slow but certain changes in humanity to prepare for the entrance into some form of stellar community, I see no other point. Wealth and power only go so far before having all the money and power in the world becomes useless.

Anyway, just my tuppence and I hope it's a smooth transition for us all, indeed it will be for the masses, they don't care about anything other than their own small little world that they spend their lives in, the bigger picture is irrelevant.

Good luck to us all because something is going on, and we are pretty much powerless to stop or change it's mechanics.


 
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posted on May, 13 2009 @ 01:58 PM
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Once the one world government can be established then they can proceed un-opposed to continue their eugenics program, create a totallitarian government and control the poulation. If you look at the world right now it is a big disorganized clusterf&$k. They mean to bring their form of order to this chaos and reform people to usher in a new era where everyone gets along and works together. This can not be accomplished so long as person A's God is in disagreement with person' B's God. They believe the end justifies the means and if they have to kill off 80% of the worlds population to make this happen then so be it. This is why everything happens in secret and behind closed doors. Take a look in the past at how the Vatican has sponsored the cleansing of anyone that went against the churches policies...see a common theme here? the agenda's of these groups are all very similar.



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 02:28 PM
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I'm coming to the conclusion that CT is just a natural consequence of a society that is overwhelmingly big and increasingly disconnected from meaningful interaction.

I think people in general inherently feel alone and/or lonely in this big and busy world and have fewer personal relationships to focus on and less physical work to occupy us so we tend to look outward at the world and it can often intimidate us. In an effort to gain control of our own lives, procure creature comforts for our family and better understand the world around us we try to look for patterns and influences that effect our day to day lives in order that we can capitalize on or mitigate them.

What we see is other people doing the same thing as it pertains to their own lives as well as organized efforts to bring order and efficiency to the chaos caused by the sheer volume of people and issues. Often ideas, opinions and agendas differ from our own and instead of conceding to better rationales or seeking a compromise we adopt an "us" versus "them" attitude and label them "elite" when their ideas prevail and we feel left out of the process.

Of course my silly notion is strictly an anthropological hypothesis but it seems to me this has happened repeatedly throughout history when society gets bigger and resources get smaller.

I'm not saying "they" are out to get us. I'm not saying they aren't either. I'm just saying it's human nature.





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posted on May, 13 2009 @ 02:36 PM
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The big (and arguably only) conspiracy is that we have been separated from our ultimate awareness.

That's where all the specific theories eventually led me..



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 02:57 PM
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The Nazi's believed that the earth was visited by a race of people that lived in the Alderbaran system, and that they colonized this planet. The nazi's believed they were tied to bloodlines of this race and had tried to recreate a culture that was based on this. This however does not fit into the belief system of a wide range of other cultures. It is not difficult to see how "Awareness" can lead to strife.



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 03:04 PM
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I have no idea what you are talking about.

You are apparently associating racist theories, with awareness?


Awareness is:


The condition of being aware: cognizance, consciousness, perception, sense. See knowledge/ignorance.


www.answers.com...



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 03:15 PM
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No , I am trying to show that one culture had an awareness of ET's and that this may have conflicted with others "Awareness" of GOD. Obviously somewhere down the line a conflict of interest was arrived at the 2. Nothing to do with racist theories.



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 03:59 PM
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I'm not sure what truth any of you are really talking about but I have always believe in the triumph of the human spirit. No matter how bad that gets I will try to embrace that.
ATS, from my perspective is by and large a very negative place. For what it's worth I thought the **** was hitting the fan and the world coming to an end when I was in my twenties. Thirty years later the system is still intact for better or worse. If I'd known it was going to be like this...
I'd have planned a little better for my retirement.



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 04:05 PM
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Religion is on it's way out. I strongly believe that the next generation will remove religion from the political forum and the generations that follow will slowly remove it from society.

I disagree with the point about the world being in chaos and "them" not having any control, they have complete control. Freedom is an illusion created to keep us happy.





 
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posted on May, 14 2009 @ 12:19 AM
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The Consiracy Theories are leading me to have Love for the Truth!


Also they help in trying to understand why things are they way they are.

Also when it comes to Occult National Socialism one must bear in mind that they were deep into Gnosticism and one should read about SS-man Otto Rahn.



posted on May, 15 2009 @ 04:44 PM
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Religion is there if you believe it so the faith overcomes this lifetime with a heavenly reward and a second chance at life. Once we over come that phase, Religion is not an issue and faith is not needed anymore when we see all there is to be seen and understand creation it self. But that is the next stage, although there will be rules it won't be based on a leap of faith anymore.

From a Christian perspective the world is tied to the past and what is yet to come, what was fortold is a witness to mankind of the future even though they will try to deny it when it does come to pass like some conspiracy trick.

What we see is that there have been many fallen Angelic attempts on mankind and a lot of Angelic knowledge was passed down to man. Some of the mysteries were given by God him self to the first generations of men and was used to build the Pyramid and the Tower of Babel. All pyramid structures have the same theme of afterlife and sacrifce to the Gods. Knowledge of the Stars and fortune telling and signs in the sky relating to historical events along with many ancient secrets that have been turned into spin off religions.

From all the ancient history it's normal to think bloodlines control the now.
We have the bloodlines of the illuminati, the Jews, the 144,000 waiting to arrive or could be present, Royal bloodlines, Arab bloodlines, the tribe of Dan possible anti-christ bloodlines connected with the illuminati. The Pope's that are being elected, the 12th Imam of Islam. Probably lots more in other spinoff religions.

But there is a peak in which it is a do or bust situation and either by population growth, comming signs of the apocalypse which is no where near where we are now but sometimes each generation sees them as a possibility.



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