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Couple's 'buy black' experiment becomes a movement

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posted on May, 14 2009 @ 01:11 PM
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Because it is based on race, not community? Thats prettttty simple. You'd be screaming racism from the rooftops if it were white people starting a "buy white" movement.




posted on May, 14 2009 @ 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by grover
It is obvious that the majority of people posting on this thread have no idea what racism is... so:


Definitions of Racism from the Oxford American Dictionary

Although the term 'racism' usually denotes race-based prejudice, violence, discrimination, or oppression, the term can also have varying and hotly contested definitions. Racialism is a related term, sometimes intended to avoid these negative meanings. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, racism is a belief or ideology that all members of each racial group possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially to distinguish it as being either superior or inferior to another racial group or racial groups. The Merriam-Webster's Dictionary defines racism as a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular racial group, and that it is also the prejudice based on such a belief. The Macquarie Dictionary defines racism as: "the belief that human races have distinctive characteristics which determine their respective cultures, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule or dominate others."

The concept that discrimination can be based on "race" presupposes the existence of "race" itself. However, the US Government's Human Genome Program has announced that the most complete mapping of human DNA to date indicates that there is no distinct genetic basis to racial types. Therefore, "racial characteristics" logically cannot and do not exist either.

According to the Human Genome Project, skin color does exist as a matter of science. So, that which is commonly referred to as "racism" could be more scientifically referred to as "skin color-aroused discrimination". The term "skin color aroused discrimination" has the benefit that it is based on verifiable science, is not based on disproved notions of science, and does not perpetuate a false belief in the disproved concept of biological "race".


It is not racist to want to support your community and if they choose to try and buy black, it really is not an issue...

Am I anti corporate because I chose to buy locally? Actually I am, but that is not the point... I also chose to shop at the local old hippie run businesses too.

On Williamson Road, the main drag strip in my town there are a lot and I do mean a lot of Hispanic owned and operated stores that cater to that community... are they racist because they want to spend their money in their compatriots stores?

No not at all... it is the Hispanic community helping their own... it is the same idea behind buying black or Indian or local... its a matter of wanting to spend your money where it will do the most good.

The only reason this is an issue is because someone wrote an article about them...

and the rest of you are simply showing your asses by making a stink over it.

[edit on 14-5-2009 by grover]


You do realize that the article is stating that the couple is doing a "Black Empowerment" experiment. What does empowerment mean?

Empowerment: the giving or delegation of power; authority.


As to racism... the very definition you gave explains it better:

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, racism is a belief or ideology that all members of each racial group possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially to distinguish it as being EITHER SUPERIOR OR INFERIOR to another racial group or racial groups.

By this couple choosing black-owned companies only and doing to empower blacks.... yea .... that is the very definition of racism. Can't help it that they think blacks are inferior or superior. I don't think any race as a whole is inferior or superior. Every race has inferior and superior persons within its ethnicity.

If you will excuse the pun - it's a black and white situation:

if a black man only buys from black-owned companies or black made products to the exclusion of all other ethnicities... what is that?

if a white man only buys from black-owned companies or black made products to the exclusion of all other ethnicities... what is that?

if a black man only buys from white-owned companies or white made products to the exclusion of all other ethnicities... what is that?

if a white man only buys from white-owned companies or white made products to the exclusion of all other ethnicities... what is that?

Any way you put those four sentences - In a nutshell it is the assumption that that ethnicity is superior in some way to other ethnicity.

sooo... to reiterate (restate):

racism is a belief or ideology that all members of each racial group possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially to distinguish it as being EITHER SUPERIOR OR INFERIOR to another racial group or racial groups.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 01:22 PM
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I cannot believe this is still being debated on whether or not this is a RACIAL affair. Racialism might clear things up then, perhaps that will stop this debate. Racialism means: discrimination towards members of another race..

Perhaps that is the proper definition of their actions. Discrimination can serve to reinforce the symbolic boundaries that separate the social groups from each other. this story symbolizes such a discriminative act.

So that should quiet those that are asking the question "whats the big deal?"

www.macses.ucsf.edu...

educated yourself via, the above link..



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by grover
It is not racist to want to support your community and if they choose to try and buy black, it really is not an issue...


No, however it is hypocritical for them to proclaim to be doing what they are doing under the guise of supporting and empowering their black community when they don't see fit to live in said black community. If they were really trying to support their black communiy they would be paying their property taxes, sending their children to school, etc in that same black community.

If they want to exclusively shop black that is their right, but they can stop with the woe is me we are so downtrodden nonsense. She's upset that "they" don't have their own walgreens then maybe someone should go out and start one. Walgreens wasn't handed to anyone, Charles Walgreen started the company from scratch. If her husband has a stomach ache and doesn't want to buy a remedy from Walgreens because it is not black owned then go to a local black owned pharmacy and buy one from there, it's not that hard. Oh but wait maybe it is if she doesn't live in the black community that she professes to be attempting to support.

My problem is not with whom they choose to do business, it is with the fact that if this was a white couple doing the exact same thing the whole world would label them as racists


Ok they're not racist, they're just ethnocentric. Does that make you feel better ?

[edit on 5/14/2009 by chise61]



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 01:58 PM
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Ok here it is. These guys are scamming for donations. The following is the final paragraph from their website.

www.eefortomorrow.com...



At the bottom is a donation button where you can donate to their foundation. A corporate foundation is a slick form of tax dodging/money laun derring and lends legitimacy to a supposed charitable endeavor.


I Have also copied ( sorry not too familiar with how this website works ) who the founders of this " foundation" are. Lo and behold it is the Andersons. Therre is no racial issue in this. They are scamming.

Not only are they scamming from this website, their AP newsarticle/advertisement but they are in position to scam the very people they are supposed to be championing. Otherwise with all their various credentials and success among themselves and the rest of their team, WHY ASK FOR DONATIONS?








Support the EE Foundation and EE's What If? Campaign Today!

The Empowerment Experiment Foundation’s (EEF) focus is research and education concerning economic empowerment in underserved communities. EEF's research is based on the Andersons' pledge and experiences finding and supporting Black businesses, professionals and products created by Black manufacturers, as the Black community is a historically underserved community. EEF will also study the impacts of What If?. What If? is the year-long national economic development campaign aimed at promoting and stimulating enhanced entrepreneurship and self-help economics in the underserved Black community inspired by one family's pledge to buy Black. EEF will collect data from this campaign to create a new body of knowledge about the power of self-help economics for revitalizing underserved communities. The purpose of the research, the national campaign, and the resultant study is to measure the economic impact of self-help economics and increased entrepreneurship in economically deprived communities. EE needs your help. The Andersons can not create a movement by themselves!! To support the EEF's research and study of the What If? campaign, click the Donate button below, email support@empowermentexperiment.org or mail your contribution to The Empowerment Experiment Foundation, Inc., P.O. Box 464, Berwyn, IL 60402.

DONATE


Maggie Anderson
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Maggie is an accomplished strategy professional with twelve years of legal, research, communications and business strategy experience. With a JD and an MBA from the University of Chicago…
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Now , please continue with your race debate.


PG



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 02:01 PM
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My bad... you are right they are opportunistic racists...


Jeez and you thought just racism was bad.

However, the overall theme of this thread is the same. The Andersons are not only pushing this in their town but at least 3 others. So now it is not even subtle racism... it is outright racism in the mainstream and being ok'd by the news media. yea.

[edit on 14-5-2009 by mhinsey]



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 02:06 PM
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Thanks,

but all they are really doing is business in America,

lie, cheat, steal whatever way you can to make that dollar. In their case its playing the race card for gain. Its disgusting.

PG



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by TheAssociate
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Good point. The more space they can take up with crap like this, the more attention gets diverted from actual news. That's how the MSM operates these days. Wonder what they're trying to draw attention away from?


TA



Add on top of that, who won the latest 'American Idol' or *insert garbage reality show*, who got married to who, who divorced who, which celebrity took a poop yesterday, etc etc...

I HATE MSMs as well as T.V. in general. It really does rot your brain/make you less intelligent. Think of how much more productive American's and everyone around the world could be, if they put down the remote, and picked up a book or went for a walk.

Back to the topic, I think these people are just further separating whites and blacks. For them to just buy from black only stores, goes to show that racism is still prevalent in this country and has no demeanor to end.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 02:25 PM
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i think from now on, I'll only buy white....

i think that is about equal right?

they might start thinking twice about being racist.

edit to add:

i dont think this really caused any divertion from any "real" news of the day.

second edit: sounded a little racist, and im not....

[edit on 5/14/2009 by mahtoosacks]



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 03:49 PM
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They need donations


I watched one of the videos on their website and it shows the black owned grocery store where they shop. That store is about ten miles away from me, it's not an odyssey to get there either.

The thing is they say they want to support the black community, but yet the black owned grocery store that they shop at is located in a predominately hispanic community


So why is the owner of the store paying property taxes in a hispanic neighborhood instead of in a black neighborhood ? Maybe that's part of the problem, maybe if he had his store in a black community the Andersons wouldn't have to go so far out of their way to shop at a black owned business



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 03:49 PM
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well, it looks like old mr. anderson doesn't WORK for a minority company, AXA ADVISORS IN CHICAGO. i guess its ok to take from the horrible white man.

OH AND THE BUZZ WORDS THAT RING IN MY EARS ARE:
harvard education
chicago
organizing

where have i heard these words used in the same paragraph before?

also,axa had to do with tarp appropreations,WHAT A SURPRISE!

AXA OUTLOOK



[edit on 14-5-2009 by Spectre0o0]



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 03:53 PM
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Buy black? Seriously, when I see stuff like this it makes me think they want a return to segregation.

Having worked in advertising for a very long time, I've discovered that marketing trends and demographic spending habits can teach you a lot about any given consumer group.

Turn on BET for a couple hours and pay close attention to what commercials you see.
That's all I'll say because I'll leave it up to the individual to draw their own conclusions.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 03:55 PM
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I listened to a supporter of this "movement" justify it by saying "untill there is a level playing field" this is the right thing to do. My question is, when will you be happy with the playing field your on? Some in the black community forget that there were many many whites on their side over the decades and that we faught just as hard as they did for their equality. Yet people like these continue to practice racism and are just as evil as any klan's man or white supremacist running around. The real divide in our nation over the race issue isnt just a "white"man's hatred it is a sin of the "black" man too in his inability to forgive and move on.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by secretagent woooman
I;m going to go out on a limb here and support this couple. Why? They are putting words into action by supporting minority owned businesses. which fail at higher rates than white-owned companies when they are actually able to open...


While I can appreciate what you're saying, the crucial issue is this... they are encouraging other black people to patronize black businesses only.

If they wanted to make a difference, they could encourage EVERYONE to patronize black businesses when possible. Raise awareness in the greater population that these minority run businesses need help to get established. I'd do my bit, and I know many many others would as well.

But they've turned it into a racially focused issue instead of an economic one.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by secretagent woooman
I;m going to go out on a limb here and support this couple. Why? They are putting words into action by supporting minority owned businesses. which fail at higher rates than white-owned companies when they are actually able to open. It is very easy for customers to go to cheaper, white-owned stores like Walmart. I worked for Walmart and Winn Dixie, and I assure you that they are not the only companies that intentionally fail to promote nonwhite staff into upper management, contributing to the problem. In Walmart's case they also operate under a policy of attempting to create a financial monopoly in areas in which they build by forcing the competition out of business.

I have a skinhead brother who intentionally goes to a black barber who shares his separatist beliefs and he appreciates this man's committment to supporting minority-owned businesses in his district. Don't be so quick to cry racism, all they are doing is trying to help the community to survive. From experience in several cities, a lot of black-owned businesses are poorly run and organized so they already are one foot in the ditch.


I try and do similar. But it has nothing to do with race. I will take an independent store over a corporation anytime.

So if its a white person with an independent store I would still go to it.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by saturnine_sweet


I am not sure what is worse. The horrible, blatant racism of this couple, or the fact that the AP is peddling this garbage as news. Welcome to the new world of racism. I hope you're not white.

As a note: I think these people SHOULD be free to make their own decisions, like this, even if it IS overtly racist. However, to have them held up to the world as champions is sickening. Want to end racism? Stop making it us and them.


www.breitbart.com
(visit the link for the full news article)


All the racist stuff that has happened to blacks, we can't say that we want to support our own business since we have so few? Is that racism or self preservation. You take the point of the article and skew the whole thing, its not about not buying from white people, as they didn't say they were buying not white, they said they were buying black. I don't think white people are the only ones allowed to sell, buying black means not buying latino, which spanish people buy spanish are they racist, what about koreans who buy korean food, is that blatent racism?

Back to the point of the article, its not about not buying white, its about how far we haven't come in 400 years. Its about oppression, and the feeling of having nothing to be proud of that is there own. Its the feeling of being servents of masters. Its a feeling you obviously can't understand because you weren't oppressed and told to forget about it. We want the american dream too, not only to be basketball stars, and football stars, but to own businesses too... Like myself, I want to start a technology consulting company, I some day would like to provide green power to lower income homes. How many black businesses have you heard of like that? In short, everything isn't honkey dorey, I beleive things have come a long way and I am greatful, but I feel far from welcome being black in America.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by saturnine_sweet


I am not sure what is worse. The horrible, blatant racism of this couple, or the fact that the AP is peddling this garbage as news. Welcome to the new world of racism. I hope you're not white.

As a note: I think these people SHOULD be free to make their own decisions, like this, even if it IS overtly racist. However, to have them held up to the world as champions is sickening. Want to end racism? Stop making it us and them.


www.breitbart.com
(visit the link for the full news article)


All the racist stuff that has happened to blacks, we can't say that we want to support our own business since we have so few? Is that racism or self preservation. You take the point of the article and skew the whole thing, its not about not buying from white people, as they didn't say they were buying not white, they said they were buying black. I don't think white people are the only ones allowed to sell, buying black means not buying latino, which spanish people buy spanish are they racist, what about koreans who buy korean food, is that blatent racism?

Back to the point of the article, its not about not buying white, its about how far we haven't come in 400 years. Its about oppression, and the feeling of having nothing to be proud of that is there own. Its the feeling of being servents of masters. Its a feeling you obviously can't understand because you weren't oppressed and told to forget about it. We want the american dream too, not only to be basketball stars, and football stars, but to own businesses too... Like myself, I want to start a technology consulting company, I some day would like to provide green power to lower income homes. How many black businesses have you heard of like that? In short, everything isn't honkey dorey, I beleive things have come a long way and I am greatful, but I feel far from welcome being black in America.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 05:29 PM
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It's honestly a shame that these racists are getting attention and being treated like celebs or hero's.

Racism isn't illegal but it is stupid.

Someone should thank these people for setting us back 20 years.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 07:11 PM
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I already sent them an e-mail at their contact page, thanking them for making me want to buy white only, and that perhaps I should try to make a T-shirt campaign to give to my community from my previous post


The shirts will read "thanks to the Anderson's, I know buy exclusively white" with a picture of them in the back so everyone will know who I'm talking about. The front will read "Once you buy WHITE, you know it's RIGHT"


I'm awaiting a reply from them (no I'm not lol!)


Just figured I had to show them their own hypocricy from my view with a little satire thrown in (again... not that they'll read my e-mail)

Edited to Add: Maybe I'll send them another e-mail when I'm bored, suggesting that they take their "empower our community" movement further by actually moving into a black community and take their kids to a black school. Perhaps replace their japanese car with a "black" made car. Anybody know a "black" made car? What would that be called? "Browns mobile"? or a UPS truck?


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posted on May, 14 2009 @ 11:11 PM
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Originally posted by greysave

All the racist stuff that has happened to blacks, we can't say that we want to support our own business since we have so few?



Blacks don't corner the market on having lived with racism. You are free to do and say whatever you want.



Back to the point of the article, its not about not buying white, its about how far we haven't come in 400 years.



Really ? I'd say you've come pretty far since we have a black president.



Its about oppression, and the feeling of having nothing to be proud of that is there own.


And whom might i ask is oppressing black people ? Could it possibly be that some blacks are oppressed by their own minds ?

There are plenty of black people that have much to be proud of that is their own.

Bill Cosby, Ida B Wells, Booker T Washington, Archibald H Grimke, Carol Mosely Braun, Thurgood Marshall, Colin Powell, Condolezza Rica, Carl B Stokes, Jesse Jackson, Shirley Chisholm, Medgar Evers, Martin Luther King jr, Rosa Parks, Oprah, Barak Obama the list goes on and on. They could be proud of what they did and what they had that was their own because they didn't sit around whining about being oppressed, they took action and went after what they wanted.




Its the feeling of being servents of masters.



What masters do black people serve today ? I have yet to meet one black person that serves a master.




Its a feeling you obviously can't understand because you weren't oppressed and told to forget about it.



As i said blacks don't corner the market. There are many other people in this world that have been oppressed, go ask the Irish how they were oppressed when they first came here, or the Chinese, or many other ethnic groups. Heck go ask women, we have been oppressed since the beginning of time, and it has never really stopped. Some people will always try to oppress others, it's up to you whether or not you accept it.




We want the american dream too, not only to be basketball stars, and football stars, but to own businesses too... Like myself, I want to start a technology consulting company, I some day would like to provide green power to lower income homes. How many black businesses have you heard of like that? In short, everything isn't honkey dorey, I beleive things have come a long way and I am greatful, but I feel far from welcome being black in America.


Everyone wants the American dream, but it takes hard work and sacrifice. The ones that have it aren't the ones that sit around complaining about oppression and blaming others for what they don't have they're the ones that get up off their butts and work to make their dreams come true.



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