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Couple's 'buy black' experiment becomes a movement

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posted on May, 13 2009 @ 10:26 PM
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posted on May, 13 2009 @ 10:32 PM
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Originally posted by Republican08
Not as much racism this is, but I view everyone in America, as American, i'm 90% canadian hereditary wise, but I've lived in America 75% of my life, ergo I'm an american, if your great ancestors lived in Africa, but your parents, grandparents and you lived in america, your american, get over it. Your not African American, and all those hyphenated names, you pay the same taxes us white people pay.

Trust me the gov't does not exclude me from anything, if anything they focus more on me!

We, if anything should see, "Couple vows to 'Buy American' Only." That would make everyone happy, except for other countries but f em.

Your my neighbor i'm your neighbor, why do you detest me, when i've done nothing to you.


That's totally correct.

I don't know anyone that has ever owned a slave and this couple doesn't know anyone that ever was a slave. Neither do my parents and grandparents and neither do theirs.

Truly, start to get over it now! You can start by not letting people tell you how to vote anymore. When over 90% of any group votes the same way election after election, there's not a lot of individual thinking going on ...

[edit on 5/13/2009 by centurion1211]



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 11:12 PM
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Originally posted by HunkaHunka

Putting money back into your own community is NOT racism.


If they have to travel 14 miles to find a black owned business i'm pretty sure they don't live in a black community.

In Chicago if you go into a predominately Italian neighborhood you will find a lot of Italian owned stores, same with the Polish, Hispanic, Asian, Middle Eastern, German, etc, AND Black neighborhoods.

I can't even begin to think where they live in this city that they have to drive 14 miles to find a black owned business to get a decent shampoo, or some medicine for her husbands painful stomach condition


Heck i can leave my house and drive about 15 minutes and get to a nieghborhood that has black owned businesses.

And i'm sorry but a 14 mile drive is hardly an odyssey


To put this in some kind of persective my mother lives in a suburb and i have to drive through three other suburbs before i get to hers and she is 15.74 miles away from me and that's taking the streets. So what are they saying that they have to drive all the way out to the burbs to find a black owned business ?

I'm sorry but they're talking crap with this, i have to drive 14 miles to get some shampoo and rolaids
hogwash


So they want to put they're money back into the black community, but they don't want to live there ?



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 11:42 PM
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Sorry but I still don't see the racism in this. Our city boarders another city of a different state, when we encourage people to spend their money in our state, does that make us statist? Or, are we just looking out for the wellbeing of our own community?

I don't care if you shop at Pumpkins' Place or Sally's. Hey I just say, buy American. That's how we all win. Does this make me an Americanist?

Headline news? This is not. Does this make them racist? This does not.

It's your money spend it where you like. Just because I like honda, doesn't make me an American hater.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 12:08 AM
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I find it funny that this debate is still going on and even worse that the question of "is this racism" is still confusing for some.

Is "Buying Black" Racism?? YES. Of course it is. It doesn't get much easier that this people, come on. These people aren't saying "Buy Local" or "Buy American". They are saying "Buy BLACK" and that is without question "Racism".

It doesn't matter what way you try and spin it either, it is and always will be, by definition "Racism". If these people were saying "Buy White" that would also be "Racism". It doesn't matter if they are black or not, just the fact that they are making choices based upon "Race" makes it Racism. Does that make sense???

All that aside however, still makes little difference. Since one of the foundations of our free enterprise system is that as consumers we have the right to support or to not support any business for whatever reason by either doing business with them or not.

I don't know why this seems to be so confusing for some people however.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 12:23 AM
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Come on, do you really care? Do you really care if I go see the Star Trek movie or a comedy? Do you really care if I don't eat meat? Some people like country, some rock and roll, and then some like hip hop. Who care's?

I don't really think you care. It's their money, they can spend it where they like, on what they like. Do you really think it is going to have a real impact on you? You would not be concerned that maybe a minority business would maybe benefit? Because if you are that would put the shoe on a different foot.

That is still the one good thing about America, you know, you can choose. They are just doing this for one year. Have you ever tried something out of the box?



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 05:07 AM
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Yeah, isn't this ridiculous? The last thing I'm thinking when I'm going to buy a pack of cigarettes is "Gee, I hope the clerk is white. I wouldn't want those black people to get my hard-earned white money." If I did, I would have people spitting in my face. The only time I think about racial stuff like this is when it is presented. This couple and anyone, here or elsewhere, who shares their mindset is IGNORANT and RACIST regardless of race! If you disagree, feel free to grab your bow and cast that arrow. This kind of nonchalant racism is sickening and should not even be entertained by the media. However, neither should Chinese prostitutes. **** these people. I think having a black president is giving a lot of black people big heads.


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posted on May, 14 2009 @ 05:14 AM
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Originally posted by chise61

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

Putting money back into your own community is NOT racism.

So they want to put they're money back into the black community, but they don't want to live there ?


Exactly. This makes no sense. It's like the news is trying to get everyone pissed off at each other - white vs. black, black vs. white. Why can't we work together?



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 05:30 AM
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I hope this doesn't come out the wrong way but I don't really care. This is the internet. You can't find me. I agree that Some, not all, black Americans need to get over the fact that their ancestors were slaves. My ancestors were enslaved, raped and pillaged by black people and I could really care less. As a result, I have more melanin and get a much better tan than some of my pastier friends. To quote Wayne's World "LIVE IN THE NOW."



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 07:39 AM
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Originally posted by Wildbob77
There would be no story if the buy black effort was easy.

Imagine for a moment where 12% of all businesses were black owned. If that were the case, this wouldn't be a story.

So, for all the people who are upset over the blatant racism of this story get over it. The real story is how few businesses are black owned.

The real question is why are there so few black owned businesses?


If the percentage of black owned businesses were the point it should have been the discussion of the article. However, it was not. It was about how a black couple were doing a black empowerment thing buying black only.

THAT is where it became racism and no - we will NOT get over someone being racist - no matter there skin color.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 07:50 AM
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Originally posted by StellarX
Hi Mhinsey,

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Much as i feel compelled to try and explain my views i think the unhappiness that results from believing as you do is a not entirely unfair reward for what i see as your clear bigotry. I sincerely hope you can get past the idea the victims of America's racist past have recovered much and that you can find a way to stop blaming/hating the victims for trying to support themselves as any other culturals/ethnic group would.

If would appreciate it if you don't respond to this post and simply allow others to come judge both of our comments so far.

Stellar



Nope. Not gonna happen. You want to have the last word. You are right and I am wrong. NOT gonna happen. I have a right to my opinion as do you. If you disagree. That's fine. this is the part where YOU don't get to preach and not get a response. This is a DISCUSSION and that means I can respond to ANY response - yours or otherwise. Because I do not agree with your ideas does not mean I am racist. I firmly believe in get off your duff and get your own life in order. If YOU don't that IS your problem. As to being racist. EVERYONE is - you are, I am, everyone - everywhere. It is a fact.

However, how you consciously choose to handle that and react with it is what makes you a better person. I believe in not giving charity unless it is deserved. As in you are really attempting to find a job, care for your family and doing the best that you can. If that is racist - so be it... I guess I am a racist if that means taking care of your own business.

However, you are narrowminded if you believe you can call me names and not think I will respond. Obviously, you have lost your mind. Sticks and stones baby.

You know what.. better yet. Why not climb off that high-horse, take a sit, have a latte and let's discuss the differences instead of throwing those sticks and stones.

[edit on 14-5-2009 by mhinsey]



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 10:17 AM
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LOL..wow..this is just another example of how easily led people are...get a guy in the presidency that has mixed heritage and suddenly, quite suddenly everyone in the world has a different view of a previously 'oppressed' racial type.

This just proves the BS hyperbole of white on black racism....such crap we've been fed.

So, we're to believe that prior to this under qualified wanna be celebrity jerkoff running for prez, most if not all (as the blacks would have us believe) whites detested blacks.....ok...so what now we're all one big happy family?! total BS...If whites did this it would take a very different spin in the media...certainly they wouldn't be heralded.....can't stand the social moray in our present time...everyone is lukewarm and full of sh*t.....i guess once the blacks have the 'power' whites will then 'allowed' to attack them in the media and carry on about racial injustice...blah blah blah its all BS.

God i hate people lol.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by mhinsey
If the percentage of black owned businesses were the point it should have been the discussion of the article. However, it was not. It was about how a black couple were doing a black empowerment thing buying black only.

THAT is where it became racism and no - we will NOT get over someone being racist - no matter there skin color.


I agree that this article is not telling us what the percentage of African American businesses is compared to the demographics. I wonder if there is a fair representation of Black business and if the percentages match up.

However, this couple has chosen to buy black. So? It's America! They can drive 14 miles to the store for all I care, which in a big city, is nothing so why complain about it?

Buy black, buy white, buy purple poke-a-dot! It's your money. It's your choice.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 12:09 PM
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They arent putting it back into their community. They are traveling to other communities so that they don't support people of ANOTHER RACE...yep, that would indeed be racism. They are doing it for the benefit of others of their race, because they feel that skin color is a more important factor in where they shop than the actual business. Again, thats pretty blatantly racist. Really, are you going to sit there and say that, were it white people doing this at white-only stores, the whole world wouldn't be up in arms about those racists??



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by Pamie

Originally posted by mhinsey
If the percentage of black owned businesses were the point it should have been the discussion of the article. However, it was not. It was about how a black couple were doing a black empowerment thing buying black only.

THAT is where it became racism and no - we will NOT get over someone being racist - no matter there skin color.


I agree that this article is not telling us what the percentage of African American businesses is compared to the demographics. I wonder if there is a fair representation of Black business and if the percentages match up.

However, this couple has chosen to buy black. So? It's America! They can drive 14 miles to the store for all I care, which in a big city, is nothing so why complain about it?

Buy black, buy white, buy purple poke-a-dot! It's your money. It's your choice.


To be honest I could care less about how they spend the money. My problem comes from the article calling this a "black empowerment" movement and a community supporting thing to do.

It is neither.

1) The owner of a company is not the person who usually does the job... guess what - it is a mixed bag of ethnicity of workers [including black]. So if you choose to only go to businesses that are OWNED by black, then you are still not EMPOWERING THE BLACK MOVEMENT. You are possibly causing a chain reaction that would kick people out of jobs just because the OWNER happens to not be black.

2) They state they are trying to help their community. Once again, if they have to drive 14 miles for groceries... hmmmm that is an awfully big community. For that matter, what is wrong with purchasing within the community FOR the community. Doesn't matter who owns the local business just that it stays in the local community.

3) The article is praising them as "heroes". They are not. They are just narrowminded racists who probably don't even know they were being racist. However, once your face is pasted in a major news article... you become tabloid fodder for every word out of your mouth. If you want to be racist then do it right! I just want to support black, buy black and live black. Move your butt to a black community so you are supporting a black community. How much you want to bet their kids are in a predominantly white community because they want their kids to be educated better than what is usually available in the black community.

My grandmother used to say - act like a child and you will be treated as such. I have had several friends state - act like an idiot and we will treat you like an idiot.

So my update to that phrase. If you want to be all about black, then go ALL black. Move to a black community, support a predominantly black school and community. Heck, Drive a black vehicle from a black owned dealership. etc.etc.etc. I could go on with that list.


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posted on May, 14 2009 @ 12:27 PM
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Im not sure the point of your quotes. You don't like what they say, I take it. But Can you refute them? Those have nothing to do with race, they have to do with personal choices that those people make. That reality, sorry. And Malcom X, really? He was a prime advocate of "reverse" racism and the like. If you want brotherhood with someone, you've got to meet on common ground. Holding your own "people" up as better is not common ground, and having a cultural identity that is held up as "empowered" but is little more than rampant criminal activity and barbarism, at least the part of it that is celebrated, doesn't bring one to common ground, either.

Any man is my brother, if he gives a hand to making a better world. Thats a matter of personal choice on every man's part, however. I won't accept him just because his parents were slaves in the old social structure. Boo hoo. They got slavery. My ancestors got smallpox blankets and forced sterilizations. As has been stated by others, every race has been oppressed. I expect people to show me their worth by their actions, and the actions of this family shows that they have little worth. Not my choice, but theirs.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 12:43 PM
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the article states this:

"Maggie and John Anderson of Chicago vowed four months ago that for one year, they would try to patronize only black-owned businesses. The "Empowerment Experiment" is the reason John had to suffer for hours with a stomach ache and Maggie no longer gets that brand-name lather when she washes her hair. A grocery trip is a 14-mile odyssey"

are they implying that black products are inferior? i don't get it!
a stomach ache? she doesn't get that brand name lather? i'm serious about this. are they trying to say that the wholesalers are predjudice?
can someone help me out here?

how deep does this racism go?


[edit on 14-5-2009 by Spectre0o0]



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 12:49 PM
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It is obvious that the majority of people posting on this thread have no idea what racism is... so:


Definitions of Racism from the Oxford American Dictionary

Although the term 'racism' usually denotes race-based prejudice, violence, discrimination, or oppression, the term can also have varying and hotly contested definitions. Racialism is a related term, sometimes intended to avoid these negative meanings. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, racism is a belief or ideology that all members of each racial group possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially to distinguish it as being either superior or inferior to another racial group or racial groups. The Merriam-Webster's Dictionary defines racism as a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular racial group, and that it is also the prejudice based on such a belief. The Macquarie Dictionary defines racism as: "the belief that human races have distinctive characteristics which determine their respective cultures, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule or dominate others."

The concept that discrimination can be based on "race" presupposes the existence of "race" itself. However, the US Government's Human Genome Program has announced that the most complete mapping of human DNA to date indicates that there is no distinct genetic basis to racial types. Therefore, "racial characteristics" logically cannot and do not exist either.

According to the Human Genome Project, skin color does exist as a matter of science. So, that which is commonly referred to as "racism" could be more scientifically referred to as "skin color-aroused discrimination". The term "skin color aroused discrimination" has the benefit that it is based on verifiable science, is not based on disproved notions of science, and does not perpetuate a false belief in the disproved concept of biological "race".


It is not racist to want to support your community and if they choose to try and buy black, it really is not an issue...

Am I anti corporate because I chose to buy locally? Actually I am, but that is not the point... I also chose to shop at the local old hippie run businesses too.

On Williamson Road, the main drag strip in my town there are a lot and I do mean a lot of Hispanic owned and operated stores that cater to that community... are they racist because they want to spend their money in their compatriots stores?

No not at all... it is the Hispanic community helping their own... it is the same idea behind buying black or Indian or local... its a matter of wanting to spend your money where it will do the most good.

The only reason this is an issue is because someone wrote an article about them...

and the rest of you are simply showing your asses by making a stink over it.

[edit on 14-5-2009 by grover]



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by grover
It is obvious that the majority of people posting on this thread have no idea what racism is.

It is not racist to want to support your community and if they choose to try and buy black, it really is not an issue...

Am I anti corporate because I chose to buy locally? Actually I am, but that is not the point... I also chose to shop at the local old hippie run businesses too.

On Williamson Road, the main drag strip in my town there are a lot and I do mean a lot of Hispanic owned and operated stores that cater to that community... are they racist because they want to spend their money in their compatriots stores?

No not at all... it is the Hispanic community helping their own... it is the same idea behind buying black or Indian or local... its a matter of wanting to spend your money where it will do the most good.

The only reason this is an issue is because someone wrote an article about them...

and the rest of you are simply showing your asses by making a stink over it.

[edit on 14-5-2009 by grover]


Deary... It must mean something to you too since you are posting...

It's not like you are sitting by the TV with the remote being held hostage. If you don't like the discussions... go find another thread.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 01:04 PM
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I have made 2 posts on this thread, this is the third and both of my previous ones are objecting to the ignorance rampant in this thread.

You know

deny ignorance
does not mean to deny your ignorance.


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