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Chemtrails and Black Helicopters over Colorado May 12 2009


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reply posted on 12-5-2009 @ 09:20 PM by wonderworld


Originally posted by watchtheashes
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I guess gut feelings are as out of place as Christ's followers here aren't they. So that's not proof, but are you sure that they don't just disappear with the plane? Wouldn't there be cirrus clouds if the air was that cold up there?





I must agree with your theory here. The elevation is consistant with chemtrails. That is not your typical contrail being affected by a storm. Not at that altitude.

The debunkers are at work. It's fun to solve a mystery. I cant be 100% certain but neither can they.

[edit on 12-5-2009 by wonderworld]



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reply posted on 12-5-2009 @ 09:34 PM by weedwhacker


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Are you guys reading anything that I am so helpfully providing?

This is not going to turn into more meteorology lessons...if you wish to understand cloud and contrail formation science, there's plenty of Interwebs out there to choose from.



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reply posted on 12-5-2009 @ 09:36 PM by watchtheashes


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No I definitely understand the theory or explanations you provided and I thanked you for the input. That doesn't explain the black helicopters and we all know those are up to no good.



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reply posted on 12-5-2009 @ 10:54 PM by C-JEAN


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Hi, watchtheashes.

See a very good study, here:
www.chemtrailcentral.com...
Decide by **YOURSELF** the quality of the studies.
"They" will try to "put" it down.

How bizarre ??? :
. . .confirmed contrails and highly persistent trails from jets
***not*** appearing on Flight Explorer. . .
Look 2/3 down the site, the graph with 4 pink dots over the
20,000 seconds persistance. . .

This says it all, down in the site's page:
________________Confirmed Contrails_______Highly Persistent Trails
_____________________________________from Unidentifiable Aircraft
Persistence_______5 seconds to 25 minutes_______~4 to 8 hours
On Flight Explorer_________yes____________________no
Formation Flight__________no_____________________yes

Soon, I will show ATSers some university studies, on chemtrails.
I am building up a case/record/dossier on chemtrails, with these
major titles:
= First, KNOW what contrails are.
= Now, why ?
= What NOT to fall in:
= Now, how ?
= etc. . .etc. . .

Blue skies.



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reply posted on 12-5-2009 @ 11:08 PM by WEOPPOSEDECEPTION


The climate must have suddenly changed around 1999 because I never saw any contrail/chemtrails before that, and I used to spend a good deal of time outdoors.



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reply posted on 13-5-2009 @ 02:29 AM by ChemBreather


I'm just curious as to why the same persons comes and wanna start the con/chem debate when some one post about theyr experience with them..

I dont think the OP want to debate what they are rather then why the choppers was there..

I posted a while ago pitcure of three trails close to eachother over an habitated area, yet some say ordinary contrails..

Salute ..



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reply posted on 13-5-2009 @ 02:48 AM by pop_science


I'm not really sure what all this kind of activity is about.
I'm a little less "blind" to it all lately.
My town has barely any sun at all maybe early at like 9am but by 12am its all cloud covers from the feathering out of the chemtrails, but when holes form in them you can see a perfectly perfect sky under neath, then the sun will come back out around 4pm.

Also a few months ago, actually when I started to visit this site more I had a pretty funny coicidence .
I watch a video on here about the black helicopters in new Orleans, well later that night I hear helicopters I thought i was dreaming but went out into the hall and my mom said "they wake you up too they've been out there for about 2 hours now" they flew so freaking low and so many times it felt like they were landing on my roof.
They finally disappeared but it totally gave me the creeps that I had just watched a video about those things haha.

I don't know what to make of it all, it's really hard to find your bearining when you have so many fearmongers and others lying or manipulating just as much as the goverment does.



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reply posted on 13-5-2009 @ 02:57 AM by ChemBreather


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Yes, I think I posted this awhile back, was 'Debunked' by some export on the people working with this..
If I remember corectly, some trails lasted so long they had too follow the trails beyond the horiZon.. Contrail lasten 6 hours is just BS to say imo ..



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reply posted on 13-5-2009 @ 06:58 AM by Tallsorts


I post this Chemtrails related extract from a non-fiction book I am currently reading. The one or two years suggested before the problem will go away was optimistic, but the Secret Government are nothing if not determined.

THE RETURN OF LIGHT Revelations from The Creator God Horus (Heru) with Elora Gabriel and Karen Kirschbaum
First Published 2005 by Green Willow Publications of Candler, NC 28715, USA

www.thenewearth.org...

An extract relating to Chemtrails during channeled interviews between Elora & Heru:

Elora: We are very distressed about the chemtrails. What is their purpose?

Heru: The purpose is control of the Ionosphere via some undisclosed weapon, not HAARP. There is an element of mind control. It is already being used as a net of control of consciousness.

Elora: What do you mean by control of the Ionosphere?

Heru: The chemtrails are composed of both lighter and heavier elements. The lighter elements drift up to the Ionosphere, and the heavier ones sink down to earth. Each layer of the atmosphere holds a consciousness. If you think of the atmosphere as being somewhat analogous to the auric field of the Earth, then the surface would be the skin and each of the layers would hold a certain vibration. With the chemtrails, the part that flows down to the earth has toxins for Humans and mind control elements. The part that goes up creates a distortion in the Ionosphere that makes the Planet impenetrable, to some extent, to beneficial influences and higher energies outside. These upper layers then form what is essentially a frequency barrier, or a physical manifestation of the Etheric Frequency Barriers that shroud this Planet.

Elora: In other words, the upper layers are to hold back the evolution of the Planet and Humanity, and the lower layers are to sicken, weaken, and control people.

Heru: Correct. Another aspect of this is that, as we've come into the more highly charged area of space that some have called the Photon Belt, there is a Cosmic Wind which has greatly increased. The chemtrail "shroud" is a defense against that. Of course it keeps getting torn away and so needs to be replenished daily ... and ultimately it will fail.

Elora: Are the chemtrails then being mandated from very high levels of the Secret Government?

Heru: Yes. Earth, being one of the Twelve Critical Planets, is what you would call a very coveted world. It has a central importance. It has been seeded with an unusual amount of diversity and an incredible depth of knowledge, which has been brought here from many planets, and indeed from many universes. Much hinges on whether this Planet shifts into Light, both for this Universe and perhaps some surrounding universes. There are twelve such planets in this Universe and they are all being fought over.

Elora: In that case, Earth must be the most important planet within our entire Galaxy.

Heru: Yes, Earth is by far the most important planet in this Galaxy. The other planets in this Galaxy are pretty simple - they may have more evolved life forms on them, but their fate is in a sense already established. The path they are walking down has been long established, Light or Dark. Earth is very pivotal, and because it's so complicated it's been impossible to completely control it from the Dark side.

Elora: Is it correct that the chemtrail formula now contains more heavy metals?

Heru: Yes, and other toxins. Viruses, fungus, and small amounts of radiation. The toxicity of the chemtrails is greater now than it has been in the past. Those responsible are also intensifying efforts with the chemtrails as the Cosmic Winds become stronger. But it will end in tatters, it will end soon - most probably within about one to two years.



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reply posted on 13-5-2009 @ 07:03 AM by network dude


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as to your question of why someone would want to "argue" about chemtrails at least for me is that I don't think they exist. I think it's a paranoid myth. But since I am not an expert in any way, I am trying to learn all I can. What I keep noticing, is that the pro chem trailers seem to just think anything that stays in the sky for longer than 20 minutes is a chem trail, and the folks who think chem trails are bunk, seem to have science on their side to explain the different types of trails. I guess when a chem trail believer shows me some scientific evidence or real proof, I will have to change my views. I just hate to see kids spend their time being afraid of everthing and thinking every conspiracy is true. It just makes me worry about blind followers. Please do the reaserch on both sides before you set a plate at the table for bigfoot and nessie.



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reply posted on 13-5-2009 @ 08:37 AM by DataWraith


Originally posted by network dude
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I think the answer is that there are different affects at different altitudes. A plane flying at 22,000 feet may have a short con trail as the air isn't as cold there, but a plane flying a 33,000 feet may have a long lasting trail. I am of the mindset that if the bad man wanted to do harm to you good people of Colorado, he would use a better techinque than spraying a few lines of stuff in the air and hoping the wind didnt' disperse it soo much that it lost it's potency. While there had been cloud seeding for weather modification, I have yet to see any proof at all that anyone spends $48,000 to send a plane out to spray the population. And then have their mother and wife and kids go out shopping, and to school breathing the air that is suposedly contaminated.



have a great day.


I have a theory about Contrails and Chemtrails and the agents that disperse said 'agents' into the atmosphere, If you were a pilot and engaged in chemtrailling you would tell your family not to go out that day or more likely spray in an area that is nothing to with you, ie your based on the east coast and you spray in central country, you think your family is going to be ok, now you get another pilot thinking the same , but based in the central country but spraying the west coast, thinking his families ok , now the last guy who's based in the west coast goes and sprays the east coast, eveyone thinks their family is ok but in reality no one is.
And like someone else said to ensure the whole population gets a dose of whatever they're supposed to be spraying surely the chemtrail would be much larger and longer and any chemicals would show up in air analysis they always appear to be doing, or are they lying about the results of that as well?.
I believe in the chemtrail theory but somehow tink there has go to be a better way than to pollute those who pollute as well as those to be polluted?
After all if we kill off the life on the planet , those that killed us off will die as well?.
Poetic justice or sheer stupidity?

[edit on 13/5/09 by DataWraith]



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reply posted on 13-5-2009 @ 09:01 AM by network dude


Originally posted by DataWraith

Poetic justice or sheer stupidity?

[edit on 13/5/09 by DataWraith]


unfortunatly, it is almost always the latter.



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reply posted on 13-5-2009 @ 11:23 AM by watchtheashes


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I think it's interesting that the black helicopters were flying low and circling the city. They seemed to be monitoring the planes.



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reply posted on 13-5-2009 @ 11:35 AM by GenRadek


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Well that is a stretch to think that really. Aircraft at 20,000ft + wouldnt need a helicopter flying around 100ft off the ground for monitering or whatever. Again, this falls under the problem of dispersing anything from 20-30,000ft up over a target. Its not going to even drop a gram on the spot below, thanks to upper atmosphere winds ever changing all th way down. Why make more noise and bring attention to yourself when doing something thats suppose to be so "secret"?

Again, (since I dont live around your neck of the woods so I dont know what kinds of helicopters you have) I would still fall back on the choppers being either police, traffic, news, or medic. Also could be just training exercises for new helio pilots for the AF or Army. From a distance, can you tell a dark olive drab color on a chopper, from a dark navy blue, or a dark gunship grey? Like i said, consider all rational possibilities before going into the more "exotic" possibilities!



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reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 12:50 AM by honda_queen


really it would be cool to get more info from you on this type of thing



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