Chemtrails and Black Helicopters over Colorado May 12 2009, page 3

reply to post by watchtheashes

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Right now I'm looking at your area, around COS.

There is a storm North and slightly West of you.

There are a half-dozen airplanes in a fifty-mile radius.

There is NorthWest Flt 1199 South of you by about 20 miles, heading West at 34,000 feet. It is an Airbus 319.

There is a SouthWest B737 10 miles SouthEast of you heading NorthEast to Chicago...he's at 39,000.

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reply to post by weedwhacker

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There are no planes flying that I can see as of this moment right now but thank you for the data anyway! Can you give the link to the site you use or do you just work for a news station or weather center? Just to use for future reference to see if these planes are even supposed to be flying at the time they are and what not. I do see that storm coming though Pretty gray clouds...

EDIT: Oh and I know the planes you listed are just normal flights. I'm not relating any ideas to those.

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reply to post by watchtheashes

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No, I don't work for a news station!! I'm a reetired airline pilot.

Go to www.flightaware.com...

On the left side of home page are flight tracking options. Type in your airport code (It uses the ICAO four-letter designation: KCOS (ALL US airports begin with a 'K')

The box will appear, with COS centered. Click on it to make it bigger.

There is a mileage scale in the bottom left corner. I'll help you decode the data blocks.

Example:
UAL945 B763
360 398
KORD KLAX


It is United Airlines flt 945, a Boeing 767-300

Altitude is 360 (FL360, or 36,000 feet) and the Ground Speed (G/S) is 398 knots. If you see a 'carat' symbol next to the altitude, an up or down triangle shape, that denotes climbing or descending.

It departed Chicago (ORD) for Los Angeles (LAX)



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reply to post by weedwhacker

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Alright cool. I'm going to bookmark the page to study what I'm looking at if the need ever should arise, which with as often as planes fly over this airspace I should be using it. Does it also show military plane travel? Even then though wouldn't there be classified flights that they could not show on there?

reply to post by watchtheashes

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The data on the site shows data blocks for airplanes that file an IFR Flight Plan in the system. Military, although they have to be in contact with ATC, likely don't have FPs on file. BUT, since they are on RADAR they will show up. They won't have a data block tag.



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reply to post by weedwhacker

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Okay thank you very much. This is really helpful to have. I've heard of these things before I just never really checked it out because I'm more into astronomy and eschatology than aviation.

reply to post by watchtheashes

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There is a SouthWest B737 coming from the North, he's deviating from around that weather. He's about five miles North. He'll be turning more SouthEasterly soon, he's going to Houston. Looks like he'll be nearly over the COS airport.

reply to post by watchtheashes

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Wow, those chemtrails definitely don’t follow the flight path as a contrail would do. Very impressive! You actually took these photos yourself? Good job! The curves tell a lot.

It's no coincidence when there are black helicopters around. Those guys mean business.

reply to post by wonderworld

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Huh?? We lookin' at the same pics?

Since you're in Washington, and it's likely cloudy, there's little point in pointing out airplanes currently flying over your area, making contrails.

BUT, you can use the same info I gave to the OP on a clear day and see for yourself...commercial jets, leaving contrails.

hint: Airplanes make turns whilst in flight. Meaning, a contrail will be curved.

reply to post by wonderworld

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I have to admit those really are not the best pictures but the best I could get with all the glare and sun and horrible camera. I'll try to do better next time it happens.

reply to post by watchtheashes

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I live outside Denver and I'll keep my eyes out and take some pics of any activity I see here, I just looked out and up but nothing abnormal.

reply to post by watchtheashes

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Did you see any all white planes?

reply to post by wonderworld

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That's what all of them are. Some of them have a red insignia or red siding. I don't know what it is they are spraying. I thank weedwacker for the website he provided so that I can use it on the laptop while I'm taking pictures next time. They do it a lot here. I'll change the date to say the correct time too just for the sake of it.

reply to post by watchtheashes

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I only know the UN has solid white planes used for this purpose but dont know about others.

reply to post by watchtheashes

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Have to break this to you. On a bright, sunny day when we're flying at altitude and another airplane is a few thousand feet above us, looking up at it, it's very difficult to see the airline colors. It looks almost entirely white. Best way to see the logo is from off to the side, not directly below.

Now, from the ground, an airplane at 35,000 feet is nearly seven miles above sea level (watch, since you're already at about 5,000 feet, then the same jet is just under 6 miles above you).

Here's something else to think about -- a typical large International airport runway is around 10,000 to 12,000 feet long. SO, that's at least two miles. Try an experiment: Go to an airport and, with naked eyes, try to tell the company logo from two miles away. (It's actually easier on the ground than in the air). Of course, also depends on the size of the airplane.

Most large military jets are, of course, a light gray in color -- which would look white when at altitude.



ETA this -- Found it on the ole' utubes. THAT OP thought it was close, but it was actually about 1,000 feet beneath them. Standard vertical separation nowadays. (RVSM certification required).






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reply to post by wonderworld

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I'm not really a big fan of the UN but I don't think they are the ones doing it. Then again no one thinks this could really be what it is. Governments don't tell us everything. I'm not sure what they are spraying, but I know its not right. Something about it is not right.

Most large military jets are, of course, a light gray in color -- which would look white when at altitude.

Then not all of them might be potential candidates. All of them look white. Not all of them have the red siding. Some definitely don't act normally there is even instances of 7 or 8 planes together doing it all at once.

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reply to post by watchtheashes

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I agree and it's just more than fuel dumping up there.

reply to post by watchtheashes

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I always thought the dead birds in NJ was weird and wondered what really happened there.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I'm not sure it was related and would most likely have been a small low flying plane, if any.

reply to post by wonderworld

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I don't know what caused those birds just to drop dead. It can't be nothing for sure though. Something had to be the cause.

reply to post by wonderworld

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I just watched a United Airlines do an S-curve in the sky, trailing a contrail. Followed it with my binocs. A passanger plane made a curve in the sky. Nothing sinister!

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