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Christian Symposium Offers Different Take on Aliens at Roswell UFO Festival

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posted on May, 12 2009 @ 02:06 PM
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The term giants is supposed to be translated as "fallen ones" or the fallen. Fallen sons of God not "giants." They were physical giants back then, but now are not. Convenient translation don't you think? That's actually the worst discrepancy in the Bible translations I believe. That and Revelations being IN not ON the hand or head.




posted on May, 12 2009 @ 02:08 PM
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I also heard it say that aliens are in fact the evil spirits left behind with no bodies so they take on a host of some kind.


That host of some kind is what you see in a typical gray alien as they are supposed to be disembodied though God allowed a few hundred to remain on Earth as "demons" to tempt humanity until Judgment. The rest of them well we'll see when they return or are seeing them now in the skies before they land.



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by Miraj
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I have yet to hear of an abduction case that stopped because they asked them to. I don't know how many people are able to say "In Jesus name I command you to stop" Since they are, you know.. Paralyzed?



These Christian Roswell researchers did extensive testing on abductees and formed a similar conclusion that that are evil. It's nice to know those magic words though, in the event of an abduction.

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posted on May, 12 2009 @ 02:20 PM
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I like your ideas the seem interesting but you speak as if they are fact... perhaps some evidence would be helpful. don't take it personal I just need soe evidence otherwise I address my ideas as theories. I would like to hear more about your statement that the greys are the host.. well were did the greys originate and what are they? if the greys we know now are possessed by evil spirits then were they evil before the spirit coming? im just throwin it out there lol thanks watchtheashes your posts are indeed interesting



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 02:24 PM
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I know many like myself who are actually followers of Christ and his teachings.Not mainstream like the ones who attend church on Sunday and go about their lives the rest of the week running their own agendas or who treat church like one big social networking ladder.As we delve into questions of what are aliens and what are ufos as a christian when biblical truth points to an answer for these things happening and actually rapidly increasing as the world is falling apart it is nice to have a reasonable explanation that is quite valid.I really havent run into any brainwashed christians ,just washed by the blood of Jesus



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 02:26 PM
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sorry I may have misread your post it seems you mentioned the nature of the greys could you elaborate on that??



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 02:31 PM
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You might find this thread enlightening, or at least a little eye opening to a much broader view of reality. I think the information I want you to read is on the second or third post, pertaining to the "Yellowbook".



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 02:32 PM
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Proof is part of the problem. We cant put angles, demons or aliens in a test tube to prove their authenticity, yet we still know them to be true to different degrees.

The proof however will be here shortly. These Aliens are supposed to come during end times. They will portray to be glorious angels and deceive the elite. They will not be good. They are predicted to come by the millions.

I even believe that soon we may get a government disclosure from one Country or another.

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posted on May, 12 2009 @ 02:32 PM
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With where I'm at in my life and what I have found I take it as fact yes. I'm not going to bring up too much Holy Spirit and the like, because this is the UFOs section, but I highly and strongly feel that they are the evil aliens. I don't think angels themselves are alien like, but rather their offspring. The fallen angels might resemble what we see though. I would love to show evidence but I could only come up with as much as any person on here could. Nothing to shock the scientific community even those 1 in 12 billion trillion chance bible codes can't shock them I guess. The codes point to Nephilim and aliens and UFOs being "evil seraphs."

EDIT: The nature of grays seems to suggest they are in fact demonic. Cattle mutilation and hybrid experiments just screams Satan is at work. They also seem to be fascinated with human sexuality so Satan and his fallen.

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posted on May, 12 2009 @ 02:51 PM
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I think you and watchtheashes are on the same thought as I am. I was just going to point out that there has been some disclosure already bits and pieces trickling down from the highest ranks distorted along the way and what we get is missing in continuity and hardly worth looking at (with the exception of a few) so any real big disclosure would probably follow the same pattern.



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 02:55 PM
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sorry if I came across the wrong way I simply meant I found your point about the greys being interesting and I would like to hear more about you theory there. I also agree as a Christian myself I also dont want to come on here spilling Holy spirit related stuff and preaching the word I just want to compare notes to some others who share my views or can shed some light on new facts I may not have entertained! thanks for sharing



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 03:03 PM
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I think this is pretty much the standard Christian take on aliens, and nothing particularly new or surprising. Unfortunately, Christians don't have anything more to back up their assertions than anyone else. Using the Bible as a source of evidence is really no different than using someone's personal account of an experience. Not exactly the strongest evidence.

Maybe there is a connection between these various types of entities and experiences. But it's just as likely that the Biblical accounts are also essentially wrong in their interpretation of what's going on. And they have an equal difficulty proving any of it to be true and accurate.

That's why it's better to just stick with the facts, without assigning a lot of names to it that may or may not be applicable.



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 03:08 PM
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I think your right in a sense, there really needs to be solid facts surrounding any claims as far as the scriptures go we (as believers) know they are truth however, they lack a clarity that could be used to substantiate any claim related to the extraterrestrial phenomena. There are lots of good theories that come about due to ones interpretation but thats all we have to go on right now since there has been nothing disputable proven. I look forward to the day when there is hardcore evidence that can be proven! until then, speculate away! lol



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 03:22 PM
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Yes, I think there will be a disclosure sooner than later. Anyone who does this will have proof. He or they wont be alone when it happens. That is the scary part.



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 03:48 PM
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You know how many things have been labeled over the years as bad spirits by "theologians"? Do you believe that influenza, and mental illness is the direct result of "bad spirits"? How about when you get a cough? Is that a spirit? My point is that theologians can label anything because the bible is something up for interpretation, and therefore so is all of man-made religion.

Who in the hell is in this "christian symposium"? (pun intended)




I'm not making a point of this to argue christianity's validity. I'm just pointing out the role of a theologian and how they are pretty much able to label things as 'bad spirits' or 'good spirits' ad-hoc .


Back to the topic at hand and your question: I absolutely believe in alien life. I have no opinion on whether it is 'bad' or 'good'. It would be like me having and opinion on animals in an eco system I am unfamiliar with. For example, I am not from South Africa and I don't have an opinion on whether Springbok's are 'bad' or 'good'.


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posted on May, 12 2009 @ 04:06 PM
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I don't feel that diseases are a result of demons and that is a fact known by everyone. Plus only God Himself would be able to design such an intricate plague err disease. Satan can't create he can only destroy and wish he could in our "view."

Back to topic: Absolutely aliens exist. In fact there's no doubt. What they are is a matter of your own.



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 04:12 PM
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Somebody forgot about this passage (Hebrews 11:3):


Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

That's right, WORLDS, plural! The Greek term is αἰῶνας, Æons!



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 04:21 PM
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I think (only think don't know for sure) that it is referring to the different levels of heaven and the Earth. Maybe another planet where some of the fallen angels have been cast to?

It's also referring to things seen and unseen to the different dimension and levels of heaven seems right. Or take this for example: Matter is seen but the spirit world is not seen and yet is because it was made directly from the fire of God rather than through physical process.

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posted on May, 12 2009 @ 04:24 PM
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Who in the hell is in this "christian symposium"? (pun intended


Participants will include: William Alnor Ph.D., author of "UFOs in the New Age" and "UFO Cults in the New Millennium";

Gary Bates, from Creation Ministries International Australia, author of "Alien Intrusion: UFOs and the Evolution Connection";

Mike Bennett Ph.D., demonology researcher and host of "FutureQuake"

Nashville-based Christian FM talk radio program; Pastor Russ Dizdar,

Cult and Occult survivors specialist and deliverance minister;

Joe Jordan O.M., alien abduction researcher and deliverance minister;

Michael S. Heiser Ph.D., doctor in Hebrew Bible and Semitic Languages and author of "The Facade";

Guy Malone, author of "UFO Phenomena and the Bible";

Mrs. Malone, author of "A Modern Guide to Demons and Fallen Angels";

L.A. Marzulli D.Min., author of "Politics, Prophecy, and the Supernatural";

Pastor Chris Ward D.Min., deliverance minister and author of "Case Files of an Internet Exorcist";

Stephen Yulish Ph.D., author of "The Real Story of UFOs."



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by watchtheashes
I think (only think don't know for sure) that it is referring to the different levels of heaven and the Earth. Maybe another planet where some of the fallen angels have been cast to?

It's also referring to things seen and unseen to the different dimension and levels of heaven seems right. Or take this for example: Matter is seen but the spirit world is not seen and yet is because it was made directly from the fire of God rather than through physical process.

You would be right, and it may be worth noting that Thomas Taylor, the learned Platonist, translated it as “By faith we understand, that the æones were framed by the word of God, in order that things which are seen, might be generated from such as do not appear (i. e. from things invisible).” But to admit that Paul was referring to the Gnostic conception of "Æons," as abstract hypostases or realms, would be to fall into the most pernicious and damnable of heresies.

Thus, to maintain the literalism of orthodoxy, we simply must read it as "worlds."

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