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Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by DeadFlagBlues
You keep making the same error.
You assume a "let's all get on line and assault Washington" mentality.
As said so MANY times in other threads of similar concerns, that's not going to happen, thus your assumptions are without merit.
There will be an incident. An event. An assasination. A law enforcement execution gone bad. A natural, financial, or Constitutional disaster.
This event will be the catalyst.
With so many homes being confiscated, with so many jobs being lost, with so much anger building, it won't take much for the whole thing to go sideways.
When it does, we'll likely see a fair degree of anarchy and destruction.
THAT'S when those who would fight, would fight to RESTORE ORDER. Not assault DC.
And when order is eventually restored BY THE STATES, we can by the States, demand a return to a pre-1900 Constitution.
No fighting the military, no land assaults, no major battles, no massacres.
Originally posted by DeadFlagBlues
reply to post by xxpigxx
- No/Ambiguous Enemy
Who are you shooting at? The "Gubmint?" Who's the government? The "shock troops?" You mean our family, friends, and spouses? Any particular branch of the government or military?
You couldn't possibly answer the question, because not even the man who wrote this article on the "ease" of this whole ordeal has his enemy. Most people out of ignorance declare themselves "Republican" or "Democrat," though really lying somewhere in the middle. Do those people kill eachother?
Who's going to "take lead" when this "movement" takes over? Do we restore the constitution and our current process of law and government? How would you ensure that those offices will be upheld as the one's that came before them turned out disasterous for the people of this republic. Do you give the huge Marxist/Communist movements their say? The Anarchists? The collective ignorance of the "right wing?" The ever confused "left?" Do we all get equal representation?
I don't know if you're a fan of history, but if you can understand the chaos that came after the Russian Revolution, you must know that "restoration" can be more dangerous than "renovation." They say "the road to hell is paved with good intentions." But, further more, I would add "The road to hell is paved without thorough introspection of your good intentions."
- Time/Duration of Conflict
How long before you and yours restore our union? If we can take any cues from the civil conflicts in Sri Lanka or even the never-ending tit for fat in Chechnya, will this go on forever? When is either side content with their compromise? How many innocent people have to die before y'all figure it out?
Seeing as how there's no enemy, there's no "sides" to this one, and there is no concrete distinctions between the people fighting, when would you hope to arrive at an "end point?"
Speaking of the death toll. How many people who you would consider "enemy combatants" or even "collaboraters" are just regular innocent men and women that have no idea what side to take? The news would call an armed uprising "domestic terrorism." People living in the suburbs would believe you and yours to the scrutiny that is passed from the government controlled media. Could you kill somebody that "didn't know." Would they be in the wrong for not adhering to your movements "principles." That sounds a lot like the "fascism" that this movement is fighting, does it not?
I posted a very similar response on a Thread/Post by SGTChas a while back. His thread was a Revolution fantasy as well. I think there is a group of ATS posters with an agenda in which they all write/share a sort of civil unrest fiction together to see what kind of feedback they get.
I ask the who/what/when/how and I never get anything close to a reasonable response. I don't recall who posted another thread with the overarching theme of civil unrest but it began with, "I was walking up to an old vets house, as he sized me up for any potential threat I pose, he could see my soul and he knew I was on his side." (or something very close to this) His thread ended with something like, "as we looked up at the flag we were ready for action."
My point being; These threads are nothing but complete fiction and the day-dreams of people wanting something in their lives that seems to be missing or perhaps this is some past-time they enjoy as a sort-of creative writing project to see what kind of reactions they can get out of other ATS posters.
[edit on 13-5-2009 by Mr.Hyde]
Originally posted by Evisscerator
It is going to require people taking every single life of those who serve the public trust in order to bring about that change. If you leave any of their ilk behind or alive, they will rise again another day and do the same thing to everyone again....
Originally posted by DeadFlagBlues
reply to post by xxpigxx
God, we're so thoroughly screwed if you have people agreeing with this man. I doubt any of you have thought about the logisitics behind an armed revolution in America. Take your beerhats off for a few hours and run it through your head a few times and see if you think it's even slightly feasible in the process of making your life better.
Originally posted by earthman4
The article is apples and America is Oranges. No relevance whatsoever. Treason is punishable by death. To call yourselves a ressistance is a joke. You have not been invaded. Your archaic notions of nationalism will be crushed by patriots. You don't have to love it or leave it, just die in your pool of self-pity.
Originally posted by Ex_MislTech
Direct open conflict is foolish, guerrilla warfare works.
This country runs due to its Infrastructure.
Like "The Power Grid", Like "Dams", Like "Water Supply"
and if some "creative" individual realizes this and has the
Cojones to make it happen it will start to unspool massively.
We have seen what the fires have done in parts of the country on
small scale, what if someone "really" put their mind and some
timers to the task ?
"All Hell" can break loose.
The wildfires that ravaged Australia are a good example of what can be done WITHOUT a gun.
And as I stated at the beginning, I do not wish this, and I think
it would be a disaster. Let's just hope the politicians don't want
this to happen either and take some steps to get this Ship back
on course for prosperity instead of financial piracy.
Good Luck to you all !
Originally posted by Kailassa
Any uprising against the government, if it got off the ground, would also lead to an uprising against the uprisers.
The fighting couldn't be contained, and would soon leave America in ruins.
Only a person who hates America would help begin such a thing.