Armed Revoultion Possible, Not So Difficult

reply to post by Vilkata


If you are not free, you might as well be dead.

reply to post by Vilkata


What ever your masters can get from you at the sale..

If I'm reading this correctly, we more or less all basically agree that something should be done, and we differ primarily on how it should be done.

With all the teetering supporting columns holding up our current state of civilization, with all the various trouble spots and troubled groups rapidly converging together, the decision just may be decided for us.

Let us take a breath, back off the personal attacks - YEAH I KNOW! I'm one of the worst among us.

And I apologize for that. We all have bad days.

But if we can just try to state our differences without getting personal, you'll note that we'll get more meat out of our discussion, and less BS we have to cut through.

The topic is that armed revolution is possible, not so difficult.

Gentlemen?

I wanted to join the revolution but I found the revolutionaries too revolting.

First of all let's pray that nothing like this ever happens but I'm from the south. Alot of people own guns down here. Alot of people have spent many days of thier life looking down thier sniper scopes looking for brown deer in the middle of the woods and killing them from hundreds of yards away. Just saying it wouldn't be good for either side at all. Just seems like with every new law we make we're moving more and more into socialism. We are in a since building our own prisons and our children's prisons. Land of the increasingly less free!

"A thought just crushed my mind"

reply to post by awakenedbyknowledge


They can have my gun one round at a time.

This thread is quite scary, and I'm now starting to wonder just how valid the fears in the US are. Seeing some of the downright provocative posts has made me consider just what is going on over there.

I think it would be wise for mods to browse through this thread and perhaps issue a warning or two to members openly advocating violence. It's a stupid thing to even contemplate. Even though you might be simply ranting in an emotive subject, letting off steam, you have to consider that you've probably been added to at least one database because of that.

It's one thing to discuss the probabilities and scenarios surrounding this growing resentment in the US, but it's quite another to openly call for civil war. Surely that is verging on incitement?

As I've said before, moderation is the key. Obama hasn't suggested any new restrictions on gun ownership as far as I am aware, and yet people are somehow convinced that a revolt is on the way.

reply to post by detachedindividual


detached, I have no idea where you're from, but if you've picked up on some really pissed-off people in the US, you are entirely correct.

Every week over here, "Today, the President announced the new . . .", and we are just stunned at how fast this thing is unraveling.

The topic here is not How to Use Violence to Fight a Revolution, but it is discussing how it could be possible, and not nearly the end-times civil war that some mistakenly assume.

Some think our military would fight our civilians. Some think that if they do, they'll pay a heavy price.

Some think our military would not fight the civilians, but then where will it all go?

Some think that to take up arms and somehow assault the current government is being proposed.

Others think that some idiot will make a mistake, misjudge a situation, or somehow create another condition that will set the whole thing off.

The truth is, whatever form it takes, whenever it happens, it's going to be one bloody mess, and not one easily contained, nor one quickly burned out.

And yes, I'm concerned.

Nothing like riding off in all directions at once.

I'd like to throw a wrench into the whole revolution thing, if I may wander off course for a moment.

My gut tells me that they will preemptively initiate an attack with a bio weapon first. One has to look no further than all of the CDC coffins, the recent flu scare, special powers granted to FEMA, Project Bioshield, etc to realize that all this stuff isn't just random. And the WHO is already telling everyone to get ready for a bigger and badder version of the flu this fall. To me, that's an announcement of what's going to go down.

I'm really sorry ladies and gents but, in my delusional mind, this is what I see coming. The jig is up for the NWO scum and they know it. They also have to know that there is NO WAY they could defeat us on our own turf. However, America MUST be disarmed if they are to achieve their goal of a global dictatorship. They are not stupid and I think they do have something up their sleeve. If not this, than something else.

Project Bioshield is what concerns me the most and steers me to this conclusion. They will have the power to circumvent the FDA to use unapproved and untested vaccines. So that gives them a one-two punch. Many will die from the upcoming flu itself and many more will be randomly soft-killed with forced vaccinations. Who would be the wiser?

What chance would a revolution have of even getting off the ground if it were to go down like this and half or more of the population is sick or dying?
Has anyone considered this, or is it just too far out there?

Sorry for hijacking your thread.

reply to post by Johnny_Sokko


i must admit that you have a valid point.with all of the executive orders that grant fema new powers,and many other police state preparations, there may not be a chance for a revolution.taking steps toward self- sufficiency and general preparedness may be one of the only options that one is left with in the short term.i was thinking of bringing up the things that you just mentioned when i was on ats yesterday,but i was having trouble figuring out how to phrase such a thing.kudos to you.

Originally posted by Johnny_Sokko
One has to look no further than all of the CDC coffins, the recent flu scare, special powers granted to FEMA, Project Bioshield, etc to realize that all this stuff isn't just random. And the WHO is already telling everyone to get ready for a bigger and badder version of the flu this fall. To me, that's an announcement of what's going to go down.

CDC Coffins, that was debunked repeatedly. There is one site where casket LINERS are produced and then stored. Even if FEMA have purchased some, this is in accordance with their duties to manage emergencies. Unless you have any evidence to suggest otherwise.
The FEMA camps are there for the same reason, to deal with emergencies. This is not a secret. The primary instance where a FEMA camp was shown on YT video was PROVEN to be an exaggerated hoax by a right-wing militia nutcase who was then ostracized by her group for extremism.
The WHO has rightly warned that a resurgence of the H1N1 virus is likely in the Autumn, because that's what traditionally happens. It is known that viruses return at this time of the year due to its ability to survive in colder climate.

Originally posted by Johnny_Sokko
Project Bioshield is what concerns me the most and steers me to this conclusion. They will have the power to circumvent the FDA to use unapproved and untested vaccines. So that gives them a one-two punch. Many will die from the upcoming flu itself and many more will be randomly soft-killed with forced vaccinations. Who would be the wiser?

Again with the NWO?
I don't know much about "project Bioshield", but I cannot imagine that the use of untested vaccines would ever be permitted. When it passes, let me know and I'll review my opinion. There is no guarantee that many will die from the H1N1 flu recurrence in Autumn. That hasn't been suggested anywhere that I have seen. There is a natural risk of it coming back at that time, but there have been very few deaths from this virus beyond Mexico.

Originally posted by Johnny_Sokko
What chance would a revolution have of even getting off the ground if it were to go down like this and half or more of the population is sick or dying?
Has anyone considered this, or is it just too far out there?

I don't think it has been considered because there is no evidence to suggest what you propose. I take it you pay attention to Mr. Jones. and listen to every word he says in his attempt to weave everything into his grand NWO theories?
The facts remain that there is little to no evidence for any of what he proposes, and a lot of evidence to suggest that what he believes is a fantasy of his own making.

I'm not quite sure why we aren't seeing more guerrilla activity. I would expect people in the very rich neighborhood, city government, judges, media leaders, the Zionist churches and the local Catholic leadership would be targeted. Perhaps there are events happening they we are not being informed about? The degree to which the country is infiltrated with Illuminati and buy in has taken place is completely astounding. However, whatever might happen along those lines it will be meaningless without a massive reform of the media and educational system. These forces will never stop they can only be exposed. I suspect it is a house of cards and will topple from its lofty position once exposure takes place. But that exposure should be part of the regular eduction process even from grade school. It is an unfortunate quality of the spirit that it can find some contentment even in the worst of circumstances. People will always fall into complacency and think everything is just fine, unless that are kept educated on the threat, remain vigilant, and have clear access to free speech.

Sometimes I feel like we are being primed FOR revolution. Like someone wants it -China? Soros? Some other wealthy behind the scenes player with a socialist agenda?

Maybe the Russian guy was actually issuing a warning - that it is inevitable that America gets carved up into factions - IF THESE shadowy controllers are not stopped.

Sometimes I think AJ and some of these other folks are placed to appeal to different intellects. I like AJ but I'm not going to let anyone incite me to take up arms against my neighbor, or my govt, as long as they ARE my govt. If they ever declare martial law, they won't be my govt. anymore.

And my neighbor is a certifiable religious nut case, who hates my family b/c we're pagan, so in case he goes bonkers first, I do have something for him.

I don't think most Americans that I know - that are democrats - really want socialism. They want more of a mixed economy with the govt. providing what they see as a vital service - healthcare.

One thing is for sure - even the pink ribbon lapel ladies that only worry about bake sales and PTA meetings are feeling the instability in the country right now.

The only hope I can see right now are the courts - and the media. But our media is dysfunctional.

I personally feel like though, that they ARE the hope of the nation, and if we really want to stand united, we somehow need to get it through their thick skulls that we NEED them, RELY on them, and they need to quit being lazy and subservient and do their jobs in a critical, thoughtful, sometimes risky way.

i agree that something must be done, but it should of happened a loooong time ago. yes, there is more of us then of them, but the technology they posses is way too dangerous. Just as mentioned before my post, they have biological weapons,,,very discreet. Just as they have their death squads. We all may know somebody who was an ex SEAL and heard horror stories.

the plus side to this thread though is that regardless of the fighting and bickering, we are all on the same page. (no pun intended) We know there is a evil and we know it needs to be stopped. and if we really wanted to go after the "bad guys",,why the government. Target the lobbyists if you want to take it there. Go after the bankers, the pharmaceutical companies, oil companies. If you are willing to go and shoot your guns might as well start at where it begins.


Just my 2 cents

From The Stand - Complete and Uncut by Stephen King
Page 1003, Chapter 67

"When he got back to the Zone - if he did get back to the Zone - he would have all of them he wanted. He would gorge on Pringle's chips. And bask in the love of his friends. That was what was missing back there in Las Vegas, he decided - simple love. There were nice enough people and all, but there wasn't much love in them. Because they were too busy being afraid. Love didn't grow very well in a place where there was only fear, just as plants didn't grow very well in a place where it was always dark."

"Only mushrooms and toadstools grew big and fat in the dark, even he knew that, laws, yes."

I believe the government of the corporation known as UNITED STATES OF AMERICA needs to be broken up, like companies were broken up in the old days. Look around you, no matter where you may live, your town, your city, is a corporation. Let's look at the word, and it's meaning:

cor⋅po⋅ra⋅tion

–noun
1. an association of individuals, created by law or under authority of law, having a continuous existence independent of the existences of its members, and powers and liabilities distinct from those of its members.
2. (initial capital letter) the group of principal officials of a borough or other municipal division in England.
3. any group of persons united or regarded as united in one body.
dictionary.reference.com...

corporation
Definition: business organization, usually large

Synonyms: association, bunch, business, clan, company, corporate body, crew, crowd, enterprise, gang, hookup, jungle, legal entity, megacorp, mob, multinational, octopus*, outfit, partnership, ring, shell, society, syndicate, zoo

Notes: a corporation is the name used in the United States for a business association established by one or more people who later sell shares in the corporation to investors; in a partnership, there are one or more owners who share jointly in the profits, liability.
thesaurus.reference.com...

Our fair country is a Corporation, not a Republic. or a Democracy. Corporation are in business to make money, nothing more than that. If a company runs short of money, they tend to do layoffs, and folks, we have mostly all been laid off, the company cannot keep it's head above water anymore. Our leaders are retarded, no offence to other retarded people.

Some of you are taking armed resistance, and it may come to that, but not at this time. This is the time for the individual States to stand up for their people, and tell the corporation to go to hell, we don't want you running our lives anymore. This is already happening in over 20 States already, with the Sovereignty Resolutions. Each State is a wholly owned subsidiarity of the parent company, and each person in the State is a Commodity. Let's look at that word:

com⋅mod⋅i⋅ty

–noun, plural -ties.
1. an article of trade or commerce, esp. a product as distinguished from a service.
2. something of use, advantage, or value.
3. Stock Exchange. any unprocessed or partially processed good, as grain, fruits, and vegetables, or precious metals.
4. Obsolete. a quantity of goods.
dictionary.reference.com...

Do you see what you are, really? A commodity, an article of trade, not a flesh and blood person. This is why the company needs to be broken up, for We the People are not a commodity, we are each a Sovereign in our own right, a King in our own castle, and we each owe allegiance to our State Constitution, which governs us, and to our U.S. Constitution, which protects us from harm or tyrants. When a company is broken up, or taken over, a war does not break out, there are no air strikes on the company's property, and no members of the company killed, unless the company happens to be the Mafia. The break up is done at a table, not a battleground. All we need do to win this revolution, and to regain out collective freedoms is to put pressure on our State leaders, our governors, senators, and congressmen. We can tell them what will happen to them if they fail to make things right with us. The first thing to know, and take to heart, is that there are actually two (2) Constitutions! One is for the Rich Elite, and the other is for the poor. Read about this here:
www.dmiblog.com...

The second thing to learn is the truth about the Bar Association. All of our leaders are lawyers. All lawyers belong to the BAR.
This is barred by the original Constitution, this is what there are two, among other reasons. Read about the BAR here:
embracingthecontradiction.org...

The last thing to know, no really the last, but for this post the last, is The Sad Story Of The Privately Owned Federal Reserve Bank.
www.apfn.net...
This bank, and it's concerns, run our money system, decide how much interest is, and we all owe the FED billions of dollars is loans and interest. Got any money in your pocket? Get it out and look at it. Right across the top it says,
"Federal Reserve Note." Do I need to define what note means? As soon as you get it, you owe it back, plus interest. The money is backed by nothing at all, just thin air. America is run by millionaires who sit in plush offices and decide how much we pay for gas and groceries...is this a fair thing to do?

Is everyone beginning to see that we don't have to take up arms, all we need do is out the pressure on the ones who can change things for us...after all they are Public Servants.
 

reply to post by autowrench


I have always believed this, each government has become a corporation, a machine bent on profit at the expense of the people, even those within that machine.

This machine has no soul and no moral code. Just as a corporation in a traditional sense will dump toxic waste in an African village to save a few million $ while the people within that organization might find that deplorable, a government will take action for its own survival, profit and growth at the expense of the people, and even at the expense of those within that government.

That is why I have always believed in small, regional governance, no central leadership to speak of. I truthfully believe that the same should apply in both the UK and the US. People are too disconnected from government and central government has become too large, too intrusive and therefore too powerful.

reply to post by detachedindividual


Get back to you when Bioshield passes? LOL! How 'bout you use a search tool, my friend. Bioshield passed during the Bush administration. Does that work for ya?

I also said not one word about FEMA camps. What I did say was in regards to special powers granted to FEMA.

I also blindly follow NO man, including Alex Jones - nor do I enjoy being accused of it. Before you go twisting my post around, so you can discredit it, I suggest you reread it.

Good day to ya.

I myself don't own a gun, if I did, I would let them take it. No sense in getting in a fire fight in my opinion. There are whack tool cops and soldiers sure, but its the ones that aren't that I want on my side.

So, here, take my non-existant gun. History tells us the 'bad guys' fund both sides of the wars. In the mean time, I can sneak out at night and chop down the cameras, traffic lights internet lines, power lines and keep everyone nutty should they cross the line. And play along as if I am with them not against them. I can make a statement about what I want stopped and not hurt anyone. I can keep those crack troops busy trying to maintain traffic stops rather then mounting an assault into the bold men who will give them their guns 'one round at a time' while sleeping or on the john.

By declaring your armed revolution, and yes, it is possible, and yes it will accomplish nothing, you're only making yourself a target man. There's plenty of stuff you can do without firing a shot. The first thing you do is stop doing whatever they want you to do. When the'chip' comes around...don't get it. When the vaccines come around, don't take them. When the carbon tax arrives in your mail, don't pay it. Until then, you're just clinging to the second amendment and I agree that its worthy. But I also think your being steered into this.

Martial Law? Fema camps? Feh! We can't even occupy Iraq! They built a fortress to hide in. Stop making a big deal about all of this. Its not even close to being time yet.

Then, as some industrious Military/Industrial Complex or Rockerfeller or Rothschild agent decides to 'up the ante' and sell you the means to 'fight back' against the bad American Military.....take their generous gift, thank them for revealing themselves, and use it on them

One justified target? Any member of an armed party arresting those who refuse to surrender their arms due to a national ban on guns.
Any member of an armed group arresting people as 'potential terrorist' because their names appeared on a list of people who did not support the government's position on a particular issue.
Those who would deny the people the right of peaceful protest.
Foreign troops arresting/attacking/rounding up American citizens.
I could go on but I think the point that there are many potential legitimate targets should by now be obvious.