Possibly new 9/11 theory?

This is again not specifically related to 9-11, however the topic of the following is related to the discussions, many-enough posts, in this forum; therefore, this'll be posted and unsaved, in the hope that this will be accepted.

Based on the Rachel Corrie story, notice a distinction between the UK and USA. The UK is addressing, fervently I believe to be the case, its concerns to the Israeli government, for the killings of UK peace activists and/or journalists working in Palestinian territory; meanwhile, the USA has not addressed the killing of American citizen Rachel Corrie, who was atrociously killed, run over twice, by Israeli soldiers who had no reason to not see her.

Yep, the US government certainly does seem to be highly controlled by and/or on behalf of the Israeli government; there's much more evidence indicating that this is the case, than there is to account for contrary evidence. Hey, after all, the USA is about CAPITALISM, Americans constantly complaining against socialism and communism, etc., and $$$ is valued more than life; by many Americans in "high places", anyway. BIG MONEY is made by providing Israel with wicked, apocolyptic, and expensive weapons of war; therefore, our government, or Rumsfeld, Cheney, et al, have decided that Rachel's life and rights, American and human, simply are not worth troubling the Israeli government; money, and most-likely Zionism, obviously being just too important to them.

Remembering Rachel Corrie, by Adam Shapiro, Apr 5 2004 issue of The Nation www.commondreams.org... The similar efforts referred to in the following quoted text are the British efforts referred to above.

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If I was dtrying to defend a position I would mention what the other side had to say and counter it with the 'truth' for example:

"Around 4,000 Israelis working in the World Trade Centre [sic] had been
issued a secret directive before the incident not to report for duty on
September 11 which they complied with. This is evident from the fact that
not a single Israeli or American Jew working in the WTC was reported killed
or missing."

Well this is true the only Jew to be killed was flying of one of the planes that plowed into the WTC.

And its is also confirmed now the Odgio (sp) (an instant messenger comany, like ICQ) did send advanced warning through their system to some of those working in the towers.

"Israeli Art Student" Spy Ring. The theory that received the most attention in far-right
publications and the Arab press, as well in the mainstream media, claims that an Israeli
spy ring, allegedly made up of young Israelis claiming to be art students, had been tracking
the 9/11 hijackers but did nothing to stop their attack.

This is mentioned as well, but all of this information has been taked down from FOX, who did a 4 part expose on these "Art Students", all of the information has been classified. Hmmmmmm.

Five Israeli "Spies" Found Taping the WTC Attacks.

What they don't mention is that the FBI was called in the first place, because they were scene jumping down and apperently in a jovial celebrating mood. Suspicious to say the least.

There is more to say but I gotta go.

Originally posted by Seekerof

Sorry, to some degree anyway, for posting this lengthy post on the topic of Jewish religion(s), other religious outlooks, etc.; however, given the "feuding" going on in this forum, rather along this line or overall topic, it seemed appropriate to provide additionally related resources or references.

Apparently given from the side that you agree with, correct?

seekerof

Seeker of what, falsehoods or partial truths; or, to try to obscure reality or truths. When we are seekers of Truth, we must endeavor to seek the whole truth, as best as we can manage to achieve; and, we must refrain from allowing ourselves to deny truths only because they make us uncomfortable, or sad, .... To deny truth to oneself, alone, is dorky, however to deny truth to others is definitely offensive, and - at least generally - hegemonic.

I treat others the way I'd want to be treated; therefore, lies or falsehoods will not wittingly be expressed, by myself.

So far, most people are unaware of what 'True Torah Jews - Jews Against Zionism' have to recount; and, it's crucial to carefully consider what they say. Most people only blame Nazi Germans for the Holocaust, but Hitler was Jewish, and the Holocaust was extremely assisted by Zionistic Jews who did not care about the Jews expected to become victims of the Holocaust.

Ariel Sharon, and many Mossad agents, and Israeli soldiers, conduct themselves as Zionisitc Jews, so Zionistic that it makes me uncomfortable to even refer to them as Jews, at all; they're not authentically Jewish. The 'True Torah Jews' know to keep "church and state" separate, also a Christian commandment left by Jesus Christ; and, it's surely why it's easier for these Jews to live, co-exist, peacefully, instead of hegemoniously and psychopathically, like Sharon et al.

Nothing Sharon has been commanding against the Palestinians is justifiable; not even remotely or a little. And, all who support Sharon are psychotic, psychopathically sociopathic, or awfully ignorant.

To thoroughly understand the history of the Holocaust, it is definitely important to carefully read what 'True Torah Jews' say about this topic. And, once we understand their beliefs and principles, and the historical facts they present, we then have a better ability to understand the nature of Sharon's politics, etc.

Is that the kind of matter that you are criticizing about my prior post? If not, then you need to make yourself clear; else, if yes, then what you are really doing is trying to pass around propaganda, distorted or incomplete truths; and, that is of no value to me, except when I can note the name of the authors who try to maliciously trick others into believing lies.

The Nazi Holocaust of Jews was Jews unto Jews, whilst the evil-doer group found useful instruments, to serve as the means, for the objectives of the first, mad, insane, group of Jews. The non-Jewish Nazis who committed genocidal crimes in the Holocaust were certainly criminal, but also dupes of fascistic, dementedly mad, Jews; like, listening to or obeying Satan, when they should have obeyed Jesus Christ, or any other sound leadership figure's teachings, or principles. As is said about national politics in the USA, "the buck stops at the president", the CiC, and the same must also apply in the context of the Holocaust; the fault being primarily placed on the CiC, Hitler, a Jew, one assissted by atrociously selfish Jews, who operated via complacency from behind closed doors, and helped to manipulate, via their inaction, complacency, non-Jewish Germans into becoming Nazi lunatics.

This may be much more crucial for all Jews to realize, than for the rest of us; however, it's also important for everyone to be as completely aware of how the Holocaust really happened, as thoroughly as humanly feasible. And, that 'Jews Against Zionism' website is the first instance in which I learned about those other Jews or Zionists who actually assisted Hitler's objective of Holocaust'ing millions of other Jews. Jews who have suffered because of that Holocaust really have Jews to blame for that massive genocidal slaughter, massacre.

I wonder if Hitler would have commanded that atrocity, if he had not been a Jew to begin with. Afaik, no one else threatened to command such an atrocity, catastrophe, etc. And, it'd be an awfully lame thing to claim, to say that Hitler was influenced, controlled, by non-Jews; he obviously, enough, was not influenced in such manners, albeit maybe had demons speaking to him, telling him to commit that slaughter; like, the voice(s) which Bush said told him to attack Iraq. Bush is the one who made that claim, and publicly, saying that a voice spoke to him, telling him to attack Iraq, and he said it was the voice of God; meanwhile, no one has yet assessed whether he really heard a distinct voice, or if it was only a result of his psychosis; it definitely was not God, for God stipulated, among the Ten C's, "THOU SHALT NOT KILL", "THOU SHALT NOT STEAL", and "ONLY GOD SHALL THEE WORSHIP", not idols like the "golden cow" of CAPITALISM/TS.

Sharon is a Hitler kind of Jew; they're both Jews who're psychopathically mad, psychotically delusional/demented. Sharon and Hitler basically are "one of a/one kind", MADLY INSANE.

Although the Holocaust is not specifically related to 9-11, the full account of that atrocity nevertheless is related enough in terms of the conduct of mad Jews in power positions. The Bush administration has rather numerous Zionists on board.

Foreign spy charges whip up top-level security storm, Apr 17 2004 www.abovetopsecret.com... This is only for readers who may not yet be aware of that forum, here, about Israelis, suspected of being Mossad agents, illegally, fraudulently, trying to obtain New Zealand passports.

The following is not related to Israeli anything; certainly not explicitly, anyway. If they are involved, then this is not even implied in the article.

Pre-9/11 World Trade Center Power-Down, by Victor Thorn, Apr 23 2004 globalresearch.ca...

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It's apparently been well and long enough known, by people in "high places", that the Pakistani government, "intelligence" services anyway, have rather long been friends with Usama Bin Ladin and the Taliban, thus also with Al'Qaida; and, the USA's government officials have surely also been very aware of this secret, or not-so-secret (?), relationship, in addition to their own with Usama Bin Ladin and the Taliban. Also remember the escape corridor created in Afghanistan, to Pakistan, by the US forces, under orders from Rumsfeld et al, during the USA's warring over there during Fall 2001; supposedly for Pakistani officials to escape, while they were already known to be friends with ....

And, I'll add that Bush et al recently, within the past few months of 2004, encouraged the Pakistani government to release the Pakistani, Mr. Khan, who has been caught for a major role in WMD proliferation; escaping trial and/or indictment for his criminal conduct.

The USA's Rambouilet Accord, 1999, was also obviously bogus, and immediately so; nothing a sound critical thinker and aware individual would accept. The Clinton administration surely must have been aware of this; they surely realized that they would not accept such a bogus agreement. They must have known that Milosevic would not accept this Accord, and thus wittingly tried to criminally persuade him to give the US an excuse to criminally attack in Kosovo. To view this any differently would require serious naivety.

RP or DP wars, the theme remains too much the same; none of them having been justifiable in my lifetime, and I'm presently 47. And, that also applies to most or all US interventions that were less than full-out wars.

Some additional resources:

www.cooperativeresearch.org...

globalresearch.ca...

www.911citizenswatch.org... or 911citizenswatch.org...

"Do not unto others that which you would not want done unto you", and "take the log out of your own eye, before trying to remove pieces of straw or specks of sand from the eyes of others"; two crucial principles to steadfastly live by.

It appears that we do not know with certainty who was responsible for hijacking the aeroplanes used as missiles on 9-11; and, it is possible that the Saudis or Al'Qaida have been blamed only as a "fall group", "fall guys", for the real and most culpable culprits to get away with their orchestrated stunt; something which is certainly feasible among humans. The Saudis also wanted, rather demanded, that Bush et al release the 28 pages that contained information regarding what the Saudis were doing in the USA; it's only Bush et al who obstinately refused to allow those pages be released, and for no valid reason. I wonder if those pages also mention that some of these Saudis, surely members of the Bin Ladin family, were meeting with the Carlyle Group; believing to recall that that meeting was on 9-11.

Lack of Accountability on the part of this presidential administration has been, both, obviously deliberate, and a constant theme; and, that, alone, is very telling.

Imo, and again, Al'Qaida was very likely set up as a "take-the-fall group", whether they were aware of and involved in this, or not. Someone had to be designated the "fall group", and Bush et al surely were not going to let it be themselves; not wittingly anyway.




[Edited on 1-5-2004 by mikecorbeil]