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US Forces 'black' budget = 2nd biggest military on Earth

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posted on May, 11 2009 @ 05:59 PM
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US Forces 'black' budget = 2nd biggest military on Earth


www.theregister.co.uk

According to veteran black-budget watcher and secret-plane journalist Bill Sweetman, editor of Defense Technology International, the planned black budget for fiscal year 2010 is just over $50bn. That's about £33bn at current rates, a bit less than the total UK defence budget - but only a bit.
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posted on May, 11 2009 @ 05:59 PM
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When people get nervous about China expanding military spending and seeing such vast military in the hands of a totalitarian government, it is sobering to remember the black US budget and it's comparative size.

The most concerning thing about the US black ops is no elected officials actually have a handle on it and it's run off the books effectively. Some is obviously necessary but has it gone too far?


www.theregister.co.uk
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posted on May, 11 2009 @ 06:16 PM
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Some is obviously necessary but has it gone too far?


I'm always a bit suspicious of off-the-books government spending but i think the reason so much money is being spent is because of the nature of what it's being spent on. They're dealing with the absolute bleeding edge of technology and that comes with a price tag.

Is there reason to be paranoid? Yes, paranoia is like condoms and guns: it's better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. We don't and won't know for at least a decade what exactly it is they are working on.

However, there is a reasonable explanation for the amount of money being spent: if you wanna play with big boy toys, you gotta pay for them and said toys are pricey.


TA

[edit on 11-5-2009 by TheAssociate]



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by TheAssociate


Is there reason to be paranoid? Yes, paranoia is like condoms and guns: it's better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.


What a great byte of wisdom.

I think its pretty scary that we spend so much on projects that have virtually no oversight. We definitely need top-secret projects to keep our military on the technological edge, but how much is too much? I think the amount we're spending is pretty reckless considering all of the domestic applications that amount of money could have.

We're charging working homeless rent for their shelters, and a quarter of Americans don't have health coverage, and we bail out failing industry like there's no tomorrow, yet we still funnel all of this capital into black ops?



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 06:44 PM
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Why does the article's .line claim the black budget is the second biggest military, then when it gives the detailed listing it comes in fourth?



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 06:51 PM
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Originally posted by mattifikation
Why does the article's .line claim the black budget is the second biggest military, then when it gives the detailed listing it comes in fourth?


Actually the .line is implying that the U.S. Black Ops is equivalent to the second largest, being the UK's.

Although that's not entirely true, it would seem to be closer to the French. I guess saying its equal to the second highest just sounds better in a title. Online news articles aren't exactly immune to sensationalism, after all.



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 08:28 PM
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The author justifies this vaguely later on by citing the CIA and other forms as income to increase it. Purely speculation but then this article is based on speculation to a certain extent.


And indeed there's probably more secret US military funding than this. The US government declines to disclose exactly what the CIA's budget is, but both the Agency and other non-military spooks do get money of their own. Some of this is spent on military or quasi-military activities: for example the CIA were heavily involved in development of the famous SR-71 "Blackbird" turbo-ramjet spy plane back in the Cold War, and it was sometimes flown by CIA pilots



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 09:09 PM
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I'm guessing the costs of keeping it SECRET, alone is in the billions of dollars. I hate the military industrial complex, but I am not sure if the "black ops" plays into that...I believe some of it is necessary, and I take great pride in the fact that we have the most powerful military on earth...and maybe spending on black ops pays dividends...but we are in massive massive debt. I guess they have to keep some of these people employed and well fed to keep the projects secret though...so like I said, I'm sure that makes up billions of their costs. I'm conflicted, I believe in walk quietly and carry a big stick, and having a trump card on top of that makes me feel safe, but the debt is scary high. I wish we'd walk more quietly and trim down on social welfare projects that don't work so that I wouldn't feel so bad.

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posted on May, 11 2009 @ 09:13 PM
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It's still a heck of a lot of money. I can just imagine what kind of insane technology is coming out of all that.



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 09:14 PM
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Well with that kind of cabbage being spent there better be a lot of
ZING, POW, and BANG coming from it!

That's all I got to say on that.



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 10:26 PM
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anyone ever read what lao tzu has to say about feeding a standing army? thing about armies and their big guts, is they need a constant replenishment of the food source (war).
that's something to be proud of, fer sure.

lol!



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 10:30 PM
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And that is only the Black Budget! Add to that the overt military budget, and all I can say, as an American, is FEAR US! (because seriously, my own government scares the crap out of me!)

Given that kind of budget, and the mission to defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan/Pakistan, you could forget about wasting money on pie-in-the-sky weapons platforms, instead just hand each and every citizen of those countries a million greenbacks, and you'll have instantly won the war on terror. A happy terrorist is one that can light his cigar with a rolled up c-note!



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 10:32 PM
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And people say "we don't have the money" for underground VHST systems, TR-3Bs, and TAW-50's.........



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 12:23 AM
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The problem is, these "black projects" are dealing with leading-edge technology that will not make it into the market place. This is economic suicide. Our fear of other countries and desire to "have an extra trump card" is completely counter-productive.

You know what would help us out? The type of economic growth that we saw during the electrical revolution or the semiconductor revolution. Those technological advancements were what made us a Super-Power. It wasn't our military spending that did it.



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 07:26 AM
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People often make the assumption that black budget spending is on weapons and future tech, when in reality, a majority of the budget is spent on intelligence and counter-intelligence.



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 07:44 AM
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$50bn?! LMAO, thats what they get given by the government, you think thats the only 'tap' into the the black budget 'reserve well'? Please, the $2.3tn 'missing' from the American Defense budget in 2001 almost definitely went straight into these black programs.

They are working and using stuff we can only dream of IMO, all paid and bought for by you. I'm sure the UK government is working on simiar things and using my taxes to do it, but hey.

EMM



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 07:45 AM
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(liked the analogy above, btw
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I agree, using the latest of the latest tech will inevitably mean you pay a premium for it.

But, I must say, if I were an American citizen and tax payer, I'd be *extremely* annoyed (putting it midly) that I couldn't find out what exactly my tax dollars are buying or paying for. Especially if they are funding highly advanced propulsion systems that would revolutionise public transportation but are otherwise keeping it secret merely for global supremacy.



[edit on 12-5-2009 by noonebutme]



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 07:47 AM
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When the pentagon can just "lose" 3 trillion dollars who the hell knows what you guys are working on..some crazy stuff i bet though,no paperwork to get in the way or ethical boundaries.Genetic engineering will be probably be rampant.



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 07:56 AM
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Yep if America is spending 1.5 trillion dollars on it's black op, What could they be spending that sort money on?



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 09:02 AM
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According to several different sources on the 'net, 27% of BB projects are geared towards 0 point energy. Another 20% goes for small portable high energy and energy storage devices. There's 1 project experimenting with alloys to replace depleted uranium. At the Army Natick, MA facility there working on sleepless and solar fed soldiers. ( Nancy Kress on ATS? ) Also the Pentagon seems to be gearing down from large Division type units to smaller Company and Brigade sized special ops units. Other projects I have heard of are; Magnetic rail tech, Zero Visibility Camouflage or ZVC. And there's some stuff on it's way over to Afghanistan right now that will........ let's just say if your Taliban, Al qaeda, etc. hiding in caves, the happy days are over.



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