Originally posted by NatureBoy
Mel is about 6, Scientology Tom is about a 8, etc

Stop using my ideas for rating of your own. See that proves you agree with me.

But how does fame come about? Haven;t even our own ATS bosses recently lifted the veil on themselves and don't we know what they look like?

And if the Eye of the TV turns its Sauronic pupil toward any of us, would we not be affected? Even if someone says "Oh, if I was famous it would be great!" ...Well, I think they don't really think it through. Fame is a pain in the rear if you aren't making billions with private jet like Oprah. If you are famous like Gary Coleman famous, it's a hassle.

Why do famous people avoid Alex? Only one or two will even mention him. Do they consider themselves bettter than us, and the subject, not worth discussing?

er...... i would sorta suggest that some of alex's adverts are........er........snake oil salesmen, charlatans, kooks and crooks. I can't be bothered to break them all down but here's a quick few from the top of my head....

The Water making magic machine

I do not disagree with you. I turn down the commercials. But also when I had cable (up until this digital thing where I just gave up on TV altogether) I turned the commercials down then. Thank God for the mute button, is what I am saying.

But his ad rates are probably going to attract a certain type of person so which comes first, the snake oil or the ignorant simple masses? I'd say that smart townspeople might be able to listen to a snake oil salesman and not buy anything?

Yep, they ALL SELL products which scared, fearful people buy. As i sorta mentioned i am a survivalist myself so i'm not calling these people nuts. I have a water filter, a bugout bag, etc (all of witch i use for rough camping when i travel btw/ its not #just# in case) however it can still rationally see that the products on AJ's ads are sold on fear, an excessive amount of fear.

I'll agree that some of the commercials are slanted in the direction you are describing.

But is Alex better or worse than Howard Stern? In fact major advertisers will slobber all over Howard but hate Alex. Tell me why that is?

the real point is what are you going to do with these gold coins? gold will be almost valueless when people are starving - when you need them no one will want them. However this debate will never get air time on AJ, neither will the theory that the reason everyone in 'the know' is selling their gold (governments, uber rich, etc) is because we have or are very close to a cost effective way of producing machine made gold.

I agree with you, completely. Good comments.

personally i think that the general american population are idiots, the government is criminal, the political system insane, the police corrupt, the business's mostly evil, greed, greed and greed. I'm not here to defend americana - i'm here to attack a little part of it ;P

Idiots can be made smarter much faster these days, criminals can be handcuffed, insane politicians can be given harmless jobs and removed from power, the police only affect what their bosses demand of them. As for evil, greed and all that, it could change, but yes.

Very few of all the problematic people above that you mentioned, are afraid. So then politicans, cops, criminals --they do not have fear of the sort which Alex is accused of stirring up?

So it's the idiot-masses as you say, you are made to feel afraid, by Alex? Id' say the other three groups you mentioned politicians, cops, criminals, are stirring up a higher percentage of fear than Alex.

Yeah, I guess we both heard that nursery rhyme different. Doesn't your version involve sheeplike students who trust the boy crying wolf? I like my version better.

But anyway, I liked your response. Though it sounded scary when you were talking doom and gloom there, I didn't get scared. Thanks for not fearmongering.

Originally posted by Salt of the Earth
No, this is the right place to come from. YOu cannot be a leader, which Alex is one of the greatest leaders in history, if you are not confident of yourself and where you are going.

So being convinced you are right and refusing to even contemplate that you may be wrong is the right place to start from when trying to form a theory, research something, or put together a puzzle?

And please explain how he is "one of the greatest leaders in history". What has he done that is amazing and wonderful enough to qualify him for that?

there is no room for discussion, no time for discussion for him to let ignorant people blather on about their ignorant opinions

Obviously. Can't have those pesky dissenters meddling in things and presenting the facts. His cause is much too important for that.

People who call in with important information or intelligent questions are welcome to speak.

Unless they disagree with him or can prove him wrong, then they should take their "ignorance" elsewhere.

He has changed so many lives for the better, more than most pastors.

How? How has he changed lives for the better?


I have a serious question for you that I'd really like you to answer. Are you Alex Jones? Or are you related to him? Close friends perhaps? Seriously, I'd really like to know. Because honestly it sure seems like it to me.

I've listened to him quite a bit and it is stressing. He does shout and fearmonger a bit. His news however is usually accurate and quite varied. He has good sources. He might have an agenda, but for those out there that haven't yet seen the big picture of elite manipulation and technological and spiritual suppression, he is a good source of information.

I do however think that once you see the big picture you need to move on, to go and protect your loved ones, to meditate, to create and to stop feeding the beast with fear and anger so to speak. This before someone like Alex Jones talks you into doing something you may regret later.

He's good at framing the problem, but I think he has a hard time coming to grips with the solution, which is civil, and discrete, disobedience. Something which already permeates most if not all human societies in varying degrees.

Originally posted by NatureBoy

Had alex said some clever things, made rothschild admit something or understand some of alexs points - that would be a good interview. Had he made rothschild answer tricky questions or break down into 'i don't want to talk about that' then THAT would be a good interview.

I heard that interview. It was a great interview. Rothschild is an Al Gore style vampire greenie and was promoting global warming, and when Alex confronted him that the ice caps on the planets were melting from the sun, Rothschild said it was because the planets were closer to the sun. Alex showed the extent to which these people lie and the utter hubris they have, that they figure people are so stupid that they will believe any kind of wild lame lie that is told, even to rearranging the order of the planets. (which most people are actually quite willing to believe such whoppers, such as that 110 story huge skyscrapers made of steel and concrete will go splat at the speed of gravity if there are fires, nearly extinguished, burning in the upper floors, one building not even hit by a plane at all).

I listen to Alex all the time. I'm a news junky, used to listen to Fox News all the time. Now I have no TV. I gravitate to the truth, eat it up, and when I hear Alex I hear a triple dose of truth.

What you say about Alex is exactly the opposite. You don't have to tell me what Alex does or does not do because I never miss his program. Same with Texe Marrs. I listen to Jack McLamb, Jerry Brownfield, sometimes the Power Hour.

But Alex is far and away my favorite.

The title of this thread is, do the people who criticize Alex even listen to him? I can answer that question. No, they don't listen to him. They may have listened to him one time when they were dragged kicking and screaming. The people who knock Alex are either patriots who were wakened up by Alex themself, but who are not grateful but instead they fancy themselves to be smarter and better than Alex and so are out to destroy him to make themseleves look better,

OR

they are cowardly yuppie wimps who want to believe that Big Brother loves them and is here to help them and is protecting them from Bin Laden and that we need to go around and blow up families around the world to keep our own selfish cowardly selves "safe." These people know only the propaganda the MSM and their government school education told them, and they won't believe otherwise until they are on a FEMA train, and even then will think it's a good thing they are going to a FEMA camp. These are the ones who will go rushing out to get a government job spying on their neighbor. They think torture is good, they are full of hatred to mankind, would like to see every Muslim dead and every African dead. Selfish, cowardly, evil people. Many of them are so-called "Christians" who believe they are going to be raptured away any second and that they can commit any kind of sin and it doesn't matter. They make up their own reality and their own rules and hate the Truth. They hide from the truth, and spread lies, made-up deliberate lies made up out of the blue sky to discredit and cover up the truth so that nobody else will believe the truth either.

There are people posting here who have NEVER listened to Alex, or at most have caught a brief glimpse of a portion of one of his documentaries because they were embarassed into at least going that far (so they can now claim to be an expert on Alex's films) and then shut it off because they were too skeered, and are on here pretending to be something they are not, somebody who knows anything about Alex or what he says. All they know is what their government school propaganda told them and what Oprah tells them or Shep Smith or any of the other paid liars and actors hired by the Zionists to spread lies and warmongering hatred and Big Brotherism.

Phonies and liars, probably some paid to be that way, anything for a buck, going to community college to study law enforcement or get some other government job, ready to sell their soul and help bring down tyranny on their fellow citizens.

[edit on 15-5-2009 by Salt of the Earth]

Originally posted by Salt of the Earth
The title of this thread is, do the people who criticize Alex even listen to him? I can answer that question. No, they don't listen to him. They may have listened to him one time when they were dragged kicking and screaming.

And you know this how? You know nothing about anyone posting in this thread aside from what has been posted here and elsewhere at ATS. You can claim what you want but you have no way of knowing whether I or anyone else have listened to Jones once, five times, or a hundred times. Claiming things doesn't make those claims true, kinda like Jones' claims.

They make up their own reality and their own rules and hate the Truth. They hide from the truth, and spread lies, made-up deliberate lies made up out of the blue sky to discredit and cover up the truth so that nobody else will believe the truth either.

I agree, but not about the people you are aiming those comments at. This paragraph applies to a wholly different group of people.

Phonies and liars, probably some paid to be that way, anything for a buck

Sorry if my BS meter prevents me from buying all the propaganda, half-truths, and full blown lies that spew forth from Alex Jones.

Originally posted by Salt of the Earth
anything for a buck, going to community college to study law enforcement or get some other government job, ready to sell their soul and help bring down tyranny on their fellow citizens.

This part was great and really made me laugh.

This second line is to remind people that fear is a natural response to a deadly situation. Are Alex-haters in this thread saying the situation for the average American family, is not deadly?

Originally posted by Jenna
I wouldn't say it's deadly in the sense that we are all in danger of imminent death, no. I do believe that this country is in trouble though.

Imminent death? The word was, "Deadly". Is it deadly for some, if not all? Was it deadly for those at Waco who were religious and not really a threat to national security? It sure seemed deadly for them and their kids. Comments?

There are many things wrong in this country, but I don't for a second believe that it's all leading to us being rounded up and killed off in FEMA camps. If you actually take a step back and think about it for a moment, it would make absolutely no sense to round up everyone and kill them off. You would have no source of labor. You can't accomplish anything if you don't have a workforce.

I think your frame of the picture is naive though certainly heartfelt.

You ask me to take a step back and think for a moment, which I have done. But more than that, I have researched how entire towns have been marched into the forest and shot dead (Stalin, Mao, Kim and his daddy, etc).

Such things haven't happened yet in the US, but certainly all over the world through out history, it's been done and recorded. Mass graves, are a common thing for planet Earth. Do you disagree? I think it is a serious disservice to humanity to tell anyone to "calm down". I think those who are saying "calm down" should be held responsible for what happens, and for every death henceforth.

As for worker populations, I am sure you grasp the concept of Globalization? Did the millions dead during WW2 prevent Europe from recovering?

There would be no shortage of international masses (living) who would shrug at future US mass graves and/or camps ("Well, it had to be done..") and these poverty-stricken internationalists would happily move their families into the suburbs of many American cities and would be empowered/uniformed/deputized by the Federal Government, against US citizens. Such a thing would recommend itself to any person game planning the NWO future. The world will not miss a few million Americans based on the sh--storm which has been carefully built up to fall on us now.

I could see a "paradise" being built by these international colonists upon the graves of a few million uncooperative American patriots. There's your labor force. Actually its a cheaper, more grateful labor force since they would see it as a new dawning post-American age.

I prefer to read his comments because sometimes the ranting and raving upsets me and I am not in the mood.


When I am in the mood, it is distracting because he turns me on LOL.

Hey, what can I say? I'm sick like that.

Originally posted by smallpeeps
Imminent death? The word was, "Deadly". Is it deadly for some, if not all? Was it deadly for those at Waco who were religious and not really a threat to national security? It sure seemed deadly for them and their kids. Comments?

I'm aware of what the word was. I'm also aware of what the word means, which would be an instrument of certain death. Thus my comment.

The fires that were started that ultimately consumed the building, causing many to die, were started by people inside the building. The ATF was there for a search warrant and the Davidians didn't want them taking their guns and ammo. Did it escalate much further than it should have? Absolutely. Was it entirely the governments fault? Absolutely not.

Now why would a peaceful religious group need a few hundred guns, some of which were converted, or had the parts available to be converted, into fully automatic weapons?

Such things haven't happened yet in the US, but certainly all over the world through out history, it's been done and recorded. Mass graves, are a common thing for planet Earth. Do you disagree? I think it is a serious disservice to humanity to tell anyone to "calm down". I think those who are saying "calm down" should be held responsible for what happens, and for every death henceforth.

Yes it has happened throughout history, but it does not take FEMA camps or the NWO for those things to happen which you know if you have researched history as you say you have. That is the part I take issue with. There is no need for a secret organization running things behind the scenes and controlling government leaders. Those in power do an outstanding job of turning into tyrants all on their own. Which is why I am a big supporter of looking at the big picture when voting for someone and cannot understand why anyone would listen to and believe every word coming out of someone else's mouth, especially not someone in government or the media, and especially without bothering to look into what they claim or their history. I started a thread about it actually, it's the one in my signature.

As for worker populations, I am sure you grasp the concept of Globalization? Did the millions dead during WW2 prevent Europe from recovering?

When people talk of the NWO, they aren't talking about a group bent on taking over the US, they are talking about a group bent on taking over the world. Thus the reason it's called the New World Order. So if those accusations were correct, then they wouldn't just be knocking off everyone in the US they would be knocking off everyone everywhere including those international masses.

Alex Jones is just constantly angry, and he acts as if he knows facts when it's all conjecture!