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Do people who say Alex Jones fear mongers even watch his show?

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posted on May, 11 2009 @ 10:30 PM
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Thought I'd give my 2cents worth.
I believe wether you are getting info from Alex Jones, MSM a post from a fellow ATSer or anywhere, the info is to be taken at your own discretion, take in what ever info you want and ignore the rest or put it aside until you find something to back it up or prove it wrong.

Alex Jones is obviously passionate about what he dose which is why he comes across as a nut screaming etc, i think you should listen more to what he says not how he says it then judge his info.







posted on May, 11 2009 @ 10:52 PM
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Is that the video with the troops training exercise?

It's just part of the idea he has to get more people used to being on american soil.

I don't agree with him on that. But, I wouldn't say all of it is a lie.



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 11:06 PM
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Originally posted by Revolution-2012
reply to post by Jenna
 


sorry.... I quit talking to brick walls, they're all around. instead, i simply walk away.


more power to what you believe, but voting is the biggest joke of all.



The biggest brick-walls are the Jones true believers. They have a belief that Jones is correct in his speculations on the NWO. They believe him when he overhypes the problems with vaccines, even though any sensible doctor would tell you the risks are minimal, and can show the statistics to prove it. They believe him on all manner of either plain nonsense, or pure speculation. When argued against, they can never make decent arguments or rebuttals, it's always a fall back to "I've done the research" or "You're wrong, Jones is right" or some other useless response.

Back in the real world, the rest of us require a little more than bald assertions from a loud-mouth fear-profiteer. As you may have discovered, some of us who are critical of Jones are not as slack in our research of him as you think. We can provide numerous examples of the problems with his output.

Jones says “Ye shall know them by their fruits”, which is quite ironic when you consider the fruit that he is offering is usually stale mainstream news modified in a way that would make Monsanto jealous.



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 11:11 PM
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i think AJ has waken up many people. so GO ALEX



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 11:15 PM
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It's funny how you think that Alex Jones believers are zombies but you say they call anyone else who doesn't believe in AJ zombies. That makes you hypocritical. I don't believe in everything Alex Jones says. But much of what he says is on the mark. I think he's right with a lot of stuff. And to say that if you're a believer in him makes you stupid... that's just outright hypocritical...



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 11:20 PM
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If we get into the minutiae of what he says, such as how he interprets a particular news story about police brutality or government policy, then you're going to find a lot of mistakes on his part. He's particularly bad at interpreting what people say. I remember a news anchor made a sarcastic joke about a 911 truther who interrupted a gathering and was being carried away by police, and Alex Jones took it literally and presented it as if the news anchor was completely serious. He said something along the lines of, "Oh, the police are carrying him away to one of those secret underground government camps... Don't tase me bro!" And then Alex Jones the next day said he was calling for 911 truthers to be thrown into the FEMA camps. Obviously the news anchor is ignorant and made a stupid joke, but that was it, a joke. Not a call for murder. So yes, Alex Jones does sensationalize his topics from time to time. I believe it's mostly unintentional, because the man knows so much and works so hard, he can't be 100% accurate all of the time.

Now let's talk about the big picture of what he says, which I mostly approve. He brings on Senators, Congressmen, Scientists, Architects, Authors, ex-CIA, ex-MI6, former top military leaders, and political activists on his show all the time. He's not afraid to look like a jerk and ask hard questions, or to say outrageous things (which are often supported by fact). He's not afraid to tell us about how the federal government used human beings as lab animals in the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment. He's not afraid to tell us the dangers of ingesting fluoride or injecting ourselves with a mercury preservative. He's not afraid to criticize the first black president in our history with a 60-70% approval rating when he decides to use the federal government to buy stock in private companies, or appoints the former head of the NY Federal Reserve Bank as his Secretary of the Treasury.

Alex Jones sometimes works 16-18 hours a day, 7 days a week, for months on end. He is highly principled and believes in what he says. He is quite literally Atlas with the amount of responsibility he puts on himself. He has made more documentaries than I can remember, with barely any budget.

I don't buy everything the man says, and I don't like his personality all that much either. But I do respect him and support what he's doing. So what if you don't like his manners or the way he hosts his radio show? Is that reason to discount everything he says? Look past his rants and personality, and research the things he brings up. Or don't, I don't really care. He's opened a lot of doors for me, and I respect him for that. Although I don't rely on him much anymore for my information, I do refer him to my friends if I find out they've never heard of him. Everyone should at least lend him an ear, and then make up their mind after they've heard what he's had to say.

Now that's my spiel, and I hope to never see a thread praising or bashing ol' AJ again. Let's stick to the news, shall we.


[edit on 11-5-2009 by Viral]



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 11:44 PM
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Originally posted by Frankidealist35
It's funny how you think that Alex Jones believers are zombies but you say they call anyone else who doesn't believe in AJ zombies.
That makes you hypocritical.


I never said that, although they do often make the ridiculous claim that people who disagree are 'disinfo', we even saw that in this thread. That's a nonsensical attack, and cannot even be compared to my statements about the nature of the true believers.

A true believer can never be convinced they are wrong. Those of us who work on evidence can be, and have to change when we are presented with better evidence that contradicts our view. This causes a big problem in arguments as believers don't care so much about evidence, so never have anything compelling to show, and won't accept any examples or evidence that we provide.


Originally posted by Frankidealist35
I don't believe in everything Alex Jones says. But much of what he says is on the mark. I think he's right with a lot of stuff. And to say that if you're a believer in him makes you stupid... that's just outright hypocritical...


Again, you've put words in my mouth, and If you don't believe everything Jones says, then good, You're not a true believer, so your points about my post become pretty moot. So, much of what he says is on the mark? How about you post some of the things you think that he is on the mark on, that are his specific work, not just some article he linked from the MSM, with some evidence or strong arguments on why you think that? I posted some reasons why I think he's wrong earlier, how about you counter that with some facts?



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 12:16 AM
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Originally posted by RubberBaron

Originally posted by Revolution-2012
reply to post by Jenna
 


sorry.... I quit talking to brick walls, they're all around. instead, i simply walk away.


more power to what you believe, but voting is the biggest joke of all.



The biggest brick-walls are the Jones true believers.



As is I, yet I'm not a Jones believer, in fact, I've watched more paranoid sped up conspiracies elsewhere having nothing to do with Alex Jones, just the same information. Don't consider yourself not a brick wall just because you stand by what you believe. And don't consider anyone else less knowledge about the general information than you, there is two sides to the story you have your right to believe what you wish to believe.



They believe him when he overhypes the problems with vaccines,


Well for a paranoid conspiracy theory, I'd say it's slap in the face for those who claim to deny ignorance and see something like this.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Anyone says that's false information they're stupid. More than enough credible sources.

Contaminates such as H5N1 do no accidentally mix themselves into vaccines with a bio safety level 3 clearance.


Biosafety level 3

This level is applicable to clinical, diagnostic, teaching, research, or production facilities in which work is done with indigenous or exotic agents which may cause serious or potentially lethal disease after inhalation.[7] It includes various bacteria and viruses that can cause severe to fatal disease in humans, but for which vaccines or other treatment exist, such as anthrax, West Nile virus, Venezuelan equine encephalitis, Eastern equine encephalitis, Hendra virus, SARS, tuberculosis, typhus, Coxiella burnetii, Rift Valley fever, Rocky Mountain spotted fever, and yellow fever.

Laboratory personnel have specific training in handling pathogenic and potentially lethal agents, and are supervised by competent scientists who are experienced in working with these agents. This is considered a neutral or warm zone.

All procedures involving the manipulation of infectious materials are conducted within biological safety cabinets or other physical containment devices, or by personnel wearing appropriate personal protective clothing and equipment. The laboratory has special engineering and design features.

It is recognized, however, that some existing facilities may not have all the facility features recommended for Biosafety Level 3 (i.e., double-door access zone and sealed penetrations). In this circumstance, an acceptable level of safety for the conduct of routine procedures, (e.g., diagnostic procedures involving the propagation of an agent for identification, typing, susceptibility testing, etc.), may be achieved in a biosafety level 2 facility, providing

1. the filtered exhaust air from the laboratory room is discharged to the outdoors,
2. the ventilation to the laboratory is balanced to provide directional airflow into the room,
3. access to the laboratory is restricted when work is in progress, and
4. the recommended Standard Microbiological Practices, Special Practices, and Safety Equipment for Biosafety Level 3 are rigorously followed.

The decision to implement this modification of biosafety level 3 recommendations is made only by the laboratory director.

en.wikipedia.org...


Do some research before you call your claims correct, friend.



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 12:30 AM
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I admit. I don't watch his show. Didn't even know he had show to watch. I have heard some of his rants on C2C. He doesn't seem to me to be a stable person. He's entertaining, but he doesn't prove many things. I haven written and sent many emails to him, asking questions and asking for proof. He doesn't respond. I would love for him to be "right". I would enjoy being an "info warrior" but he doesn't respond. He gives me no "facts" other than a few things. Nothing to back up his claims. He gets a few things correctly, but these are small things and I can claim the same things as him. He's all about paranoia and no facts. I want a true "info warrior" Like me.



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 12:45 AM
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For Pete's sake! He employs Kurt Nimmo! Is this guy not a throwback to the socialist writers of alternative newsletters from the late 60's and early 70's? Good, Gawd, these people sickened me. Jesus! These guy are really promoting more government control in businesses. You aren fool if you fall for their #. Alex Jones actually wants more control of the masses. I think he actually believes he is on the right track, but he is not He's fallen into the trap. Alex wants control of your mind. Prison Planet, Infowars.com. There's a war for your mind. That's what he says. Ignore the little man behind the curtain!



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 01:22 AM
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AJ may not have used the word "sheeple" but he sure does like saying Obaaaaaama in that annoying bleeting way. Obviously implying that those on the Obama side of politics are sheep. I used to listen to his show, but it did not take long for his "message" to turn into to irritation, not because what he was saying had no merit but becuase he is repetative to the point that by his own standards, it is as if he is doing the brainwashing. The best way I can describe Alex Jones is chinese whispers. The message starts off ok but it gets so distorted in his head that by the time he spouts it, there is hardly any truth left in it, replaced by some fantastical interpritation designed to create a reaction.

[edit on 12-5-2009 by quackers]



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 03:17 AM
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Chinese whispers in his head, thats EXACTLY what it is!

What i noticed first was when some guy phoned in with some info, it went from being a vague unconfirmed thing to being a definite fact by the end of the show -it was mentioned for the rest of the week as if it was a confirmed fact, never did they offer the info which confirmed it -nothing of the sort, just went on repeating the info as if it was confirmed which obviously it wasn't.

This led me to think,maybe alex just gets his ideas from things he's heard and uses them to create a complex paranoid delusion, not that being paranoid is always a bad thing -castro used to think the CIA were after him, Martin Luthor King distrusted the FBI, etc - alex takes a good slice of rational fear (that the police state is going to enslave us into a terrible prison planet) and mixes it with pure fantasy, delusion and things he's heard...

I don't think alex does it on purpose, the human brain has been described as a boy riding an elephant - we might want to steer to the left but the elephant which is the subliminal mind doesn't need to listen. Maybe, just maybe, alex on some mental levels like it when people listen to him and respect him....thus his brain responds to this and creates a more dramatic version of events when he retells it - this is actually a very common condition, it seems to effect almost everyone living.



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 03:27 AM
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Okay does it really matter if hes a fear monger?I mean hes only a fear monger to us individually if he actually incites fear in us individually, certainly not something his words do to me, I think the overspeculation here is the problem, take everything ANYONE says with a grain of salt...........for crying out loud, just take what he in particular says as a stepping stone to you actually confirming it the best you can..............useless bickering over whether or not hes 100 percent right all the time(and thus not humanlol) is really not gonna get us anywhere.................

The man is right most of the time in my opinion, but always remember that a wrong answer does not render the rights wrong, RESEARCH YOURSELF!!!!



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 06:28 AM
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Originally posted by Outlawstar
I mean hes only a fear monger to us individually if he actually incites fear in us individually


Incorrect. He is a fear monger if he incites fear in people, the judgment on it can't be based on whether the one doing the judging feels fear. He gets no fear reaction from me, but the "OMG Alex Jones says we're all gonna die when the NWO takes over and we go to FEMA camps!!!1!1!" threads are abundant here and elsewhere. It takes some fear and some unnecessary alarm to post something like that as though it's 100% proven fact and will happen any time in the foreseeable future.


The man is right most of the time in my opinion, but always remember that a wrong answer does not render the rights wrong, RESEARCH YOURSELF!!!!


A right does not render the wrongs right either, which is unfortunately the mistake many make in regards to him. Being right about one thing does not mean he is right about anything else. For instance, Project Megiddo exists, he was right that it exists, but his interpretation was so far off the mark it isn't even funny.


edit: left out a few words

[edit on 12-5-2009 by Jenna]



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 06:40 AM
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He tries to put together all the dots.


Therein lies part of the problem. Dots are just dots. You can draw all sorts of patterns with dots, but that doesn't make your picture valid. For instance, look to the stars. For generations people have been drawing pictures in the stars and assuming they guide our lives. Yet... it's a completely subjective picture they draw. For instance, let's just zoom out of our solar system a mere 1.6 light years and see what happens to all those beautiful pictures we've connected the dots to make.



Conspiracy Theories are the same way. Alex Jones is spinning a fantasy for his consumers, whether he believes it himself or not, because you cannot apply linear thinking to a chaotic non-linear system such as society, the economy, technology, politics, etc (and especially not all of them combined) and expect them to hold up under serious objective inquiry.

It's an illusion.

And I suspect that fear is not all that AJ mongers.

[edit on 12-5-2009 by Lasheic]



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 06:57 AM
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He makes statements and presents them as fact without providing valid and concrete evidence.

Anyone can propose and assert their opinion, but he presents it as absolute fact. That is what riles me.

A lot of what he has said over the last few years has been completely unfounded, and even completely debunked, and people still believe what he says!?


What happened to Martial Law? What happened to the operational training in New Orleans that he asserted was the first wave of an attack against the people?

I despise that man because he makes money from fear-mongering, and he drags any sane person truthfully researching inconsistencies in 9/11 and other events through the "conspiracy nutcase" mud. He tarnishes all intelligent free-thinking people, those with a desire to find the truth about a suspicious subject, in the same dirt the media throws at him.

He's an embarrassment. He makes wild claims without moderation and without fact. He damages the credibility of hundreds of thousands of people with every mindless rant he utters.

If people want to believe everything he says without any evidence to back it up, fine, some people were born stupid I guess. But for true analytical minds, for true intelligent people seeing inconsistencies in any "official account" and searching for answers, he is just wholly irrelevant.



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 07:02 AM
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Read my post above for your comment on the generalization of vaccines/immunizations being theoretically used against the people in a future global manipulation and population reduction scheme.

Plausible.



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 07:45 AM
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Originally posted by Jenna





Incorrect. He is a fear monger if he incites fear in people, the judgment on it can't be based on whether the one doing the judging. He gets no fear reaction from me, but the "OMG Alex Jones says we're all gonna die when the NWO takes over and we go to FEMA camps!!!1!1!" threads are abundant here and elsewhere. It takes some fear and some unnecessary alarm to post something like that as though it's 100% proven fact and will happen any time in the foreseeable future.





ByOUTLAWSTAR Yes but Im merely stating that its up to you as a person to be logical enough to be in control of your own actions, in this case the reprocussions of fear, if you cant look at the situation logically, take the initiative to weigh up what someone says against your own research, then thats your problem, he may incite fear, and I agree his methods are quite frankly silly at times, but the man is only human, if you dont like him, stay away, I neither like nor dislike the man, though I do tend to stay away from his website these days.







by OUTLAWSTAR The man is right most of the time in my opinion, but always remember that a wrong answer does not render the rights wrong, RESEARCH YOURSELF!!!!





A right does not render the wrongs right either, which is unfortunately the mistake many make in regards to him. Being right about one thing does not mean he is right about anything else. For instance, Project Megiddo exists, he was right that it exists, but his interpretation was so far off the mark it isn't even funny.



Of course it doesint and I didint say that, the point is there is truth and non-truth in everything, its up to you yourself to read between the lines and draw your own conclusions, your point is valid, but mine is equally so, lets take up an middle ground and just keep seeking the truth



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 08:13 AM
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Originally posted by Lasheic
reply to post by Frankidealist35
 




He tries to put together all the dots.


Therein lies part of the problem. Dots are just dots. You can draw all sorts of patterns with dots, but that doesn't make your picture valid. For instance, look to the stars. For generations people have been drawing pictures in the stars and assuming they guide our lives. Yet... it's a completely subjective picture they draw. For instance, let's just zoom out of our solar system a mere 1.6 light years and see what happens to all those beautiful pictures we've connected the dots to make.



Conspiracy Theories are the same way. Alex Jones is spinning a fantasy for his consumers, whether he believes it himself or not, because you cannot apply linear thinking to a chaotic non-linear system such as society, the economy, technology, politics, etc (and especially not all of them combined) and expect them to hold up under serious objective inquiry.

It's an illusion.

And I suspect that fear is not all that AJ mongers.

[edit on 12-5-2009 by Lasheic]


Your discounting of Alex Jones on the whole, is a BIG mistake on your part, and making comparisons like that are generally appliable, but your point on subjectivity alone renders it invalid in this case when applied to your own situation.



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 08:42 AM
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Alex Jones.. a fear monger?

Nah, He's a fun lovin' party havin', feel good kinda guy!

Whenever I want good news.. you know.. the type that fills you with confidence and makes it feel great to be alive, I just switch on Alex.


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