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How About Some Rope To Hang Ourselves With

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posted on May, 11 2009 @ 01:11 PM
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So we get the news that under GM’s restructuring they will have to ship jobs over seas to “cut costs” You can add GM to the HUGE list of government taxpayer assisted or government welfare recipients to do just this. Citibank is notorious for this also who recently announced fifty thousand layoffs to have most of them shipped over seas. Citibank has received $140+ billion dollars in government welfare. We hear this at the same time we hear that a lot of these bailout recipients are also hiding billions of dollars in over seas tax haven accounts. This also comes after a report of 20+ thousand "green jobs" being shipped to India.

Question if we ship all of our manufacturing jobs over seas what will we have left here in America? Are we not going in the OPPOSITE direction we should be going? Shouldn’t we be bringing manufacturing jobs home instead of shipping more and more over seas? Shouldn’t we be producing products and selling them back to the world to lower our crushing debt obligations. To me this is like our citizens buying the guns and bullets that will kill our economy. Yes we are indeed paying for our own demise. This is just another instance where our fascist government and it’s international conspirators are using the taxpayer to pay for the power and benefits of a select few. I think it was Joseph Stalin who said “The good thing about capitalists is they will sell us the rope to hang them with.” Folks we are supplying a lot of rope to the world right now.




posted on May, 11 2009 @ 02:08 PM
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Thanks for the post. I look forward to seeing other people's views on this. I am torn. I would never buy a GM car, but that is exactly why the jobs are going away. It is a huge shame that the most dependable and economical cars are made overseas.

If we could all refuse to buy imports, or patronize companies like Citi that are shipping out our jobs, we could make a big impact. The problem is that our American quality of products is not much better than the cheap Malaysian or Hong Kong version. Even good ol' Customer Service in the US has fallen to despicable levels. My wife has been shy for years, but she is so fed up with gettting 'grunts' from cashiers instead of smiles and coherent conversation, that she will now proceed to get a supervisor and lecture any employees that do not satisfy her expectations for customer service. I Love It!

I want to "Buy American!" That is the only solution.



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 02:54 PM
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Sorry, these are not just 'manufacturing JOBS', but they are someone's personal, private business. If they are rewarded for letting go of American workers... Then we should reward them with NO BUSINESS.

We can turn this game around, and take control back... But we have to do it in the only way they can understand. Money. Let the Federal Reserve fund as many private companies as they want. But We should reward them with NO money, to show them we do not approve.

Let GM find other buyers around the world for their product. If not, then I pray the world bankers just let them go down.

I wish we would stop giving them power, by playing into their games. They create infinite money 'out of thin air', and then they demand it from us... Making it look valuable, because they want it. So we are supposed to worship it, because the select few demand the majority of it?

I agree with the people in my latest thread, who mentioned bartering to be the only fair system. We discussed 'capitalism' and socialism, and how they both screw us over horribly.

This system makes us forever slaves. Not even comfortable ones, anymore. As for rope to hang ourselves with? They might as well give us THAT "bail out", since we are paying for everyone else's anyway.

I wish I had answers.... But I agree with you completely.



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 03:05 PM
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Well no buisiness wants to stay where it has to pay it's employees a good wage and provide benefits, plus the added cost of having to do all this safely when it can be shipped overseas and pay someone a mere fraction of your wage, no benefits and not have to worry about safety regulations. You thus take your $20,000 vehicle and manufacture it for FAR less then sell it back you and make maximum profit for minimum cost. If all the jobs stayed here the prices of these goods would have to be retarded in order to offset all the costs to bring that product to market. As prices go up and up we see this more and more. How long before bread and milk are no longer affordable? The whole system is rediculous and should die. Bartering I would have to agree must be the direction everyone should be going towards.



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 03:37 PM
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Originally posted by Ellirium113
As prices go up and up we see this more and more. How long before bread and milk are no longer affordable? The whole system is rediculous and should die. Bartering I would have to agree must be the direction everyone should be going towards.



While prices would need to be 'retarded' and insane, to break even in an economy.... If the 'free market' was able to dictate the value of an item; based on competition and demand, the prices would actually come out 'right' as far as I am concerned. In a true 'free market', the best employees produce economically and are paid WHAT they are WORTH.

So, if there were things priced too high, competition would either force the prices lower... or force the company out of business because they cannot compete. ugh, the 'free market' idea is a curse and a blessing at the same time.

The way I see it, things have been tampered with too much. Obama and Bush are not the only culprits. Clinton signed 'free trade' agreements, and incentives for shipping production overseas. Of course, we are really feeling the effects right now.

Americans should never have been forced to compete with workers in Asia or India, who's cost of living is much lower. We should have SHUNNED companies that did this, then and there. Let them find another market for their products..... But, everyone that matters got rich as hell, stealing the wealth from America. Now the rats flee the sinking ship, stealing the last bit of wealth and resources they can before they go.

Bartering.... le sigh. That is the only way. I don't trust anyone who is so arrogant to assume they deserve complete control over our trade and currency.

edit: oops.. fixed.


[edit on 11-5-2009 by LostNemesis]



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 03:45 PM
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Question if we ship all of our manufacturing jobs over seas what will we have left here in America? Are we not going in the OPPOSITE direction we should be going? Shouldn’t we be bringing manufacturing jobs home instead of shipping more and more over seas?


Wouldn't you agree that us Americans are also complicit in companies moving their manufacturing jobs overseas?

I hear time and time again where we criticize the companies that are moving our jobs overseas, but yet we continue to support the companies by buying the goods and services they have to offer.

Americans need to learn to buy American and government needs to learn how to compete against countries that offer better incentives.



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by jam321

Wouldn't you agree that us Americans are also complicit in companies moving their manufacturing jobs overseas?

I hear time and time again where we criticize the companies that are moving our jobs overseas, but yet we continue to support the companies by buying the goods and services they have to offer.

Americans need to learn to buy American and government needs to learn how to compete against countries that offer better incentives.


Heres the problem with your incentives argument. First off the fortune 500 companies only pay 18% in real taxes. 30% of that pay only around 2% in real taxes. Goldman Sachs only paid 1% in taxes last year. I pay 35% so I pay more taxes than an illusion. No the job shipment is all about greed. The more money the execs can save the more money they can get paid so they take their higher pay at the expense of American jobs. 400x their average employee is not enough evidently.



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 04:18 PM
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Repeal nafta.

Impose HEAVY tariffs on all imports.

If this doesn't happen nothing will change.



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 04:30 PM
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First off the fortune 500 companies only pay 18% in real taxes. 30% of that pay only around 2% in real taxes. Goldman Sachs only paid 1% in taxes last year. I pay 35% so I pay more taxes than an illusion.


I won't debate your numbers. But have you looked into the reasons why they pay so little in taxes. It is hard to tax them when they are moving their main components to countries with lower tax rates. I agree that greed pays a role in this. But I don't feel it is the only reason.


Less than one-fifth of federal revenue is collected by the corporate tax, yet its very existence has been found to lower wages, diminish investment, and slow economic growth--more so than any other tax structure. While other nations have been gradually reducing their tax rates, the U.S. has failed to act, leaving the U.S. corporate tax rate as the second highest among major industrial nations. While other nations are competing for scarce capital by lowering rates, the U.S. entertains potentially anti-growth corporate reforms. The considered theoretical and empirical research literature leaves little doubt that in an open global economy, capital will flow to low-tax jurisdictions, ultimately driving economic growth.

It is imperative that the U.S. not cede this opportunity or its preeminence in the world economy to intransigence by failing to enact sensible reforms to its corporate tax code.


www.heritage.org...



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