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12 Obelisk Monuments in U.S. despite that God forbid them in the Bible?

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posted on May, 11 2009 @ 11:38 AM
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Throughout the United States there are twelve obelisk structures that serve as monuments. The Washington Monument in D.C. is likely the most popular and well known Obelisk among them. It is also the largest stone structure, as well as, the tallest obelisk found on Earth.



The Washington Monument is a large, tall, sand-colored obelisk near the west end of the National Mall in Washington, D.C. It was constructed to commemorate the first U.S. president, George Washington. The monument, made of marble, granite, and sandstone, is both the world's tallest stone structure and the world's tallest obelisk,[n 1] standing 555 feet 5⅛ inches (169.294 m) in height.[n 2] It is also the tallest structure in Washington D.C. It was designed by Robert Mills, an architect of the 1840s. The actual construction of the monument began in 1848 but was not completed until 1884, almost 30 years after the architect's death. This hiatus in construction happened because of co-option by the Know-Nothing party, a lack of funds, and the intervention of the American Civil War. A difference in shading of the marble, visible approximately 150 feet (46 m, or 27%) up, shows where construction was halted for a number of years. Its cornerstone was laid on July 4, 1848; the capstone was set on December 6, 1884, and the completed monument was dedicated on February 21, 1885. It officially opened October 9, 1888. Upon completion, it became the world's tallest structure, a title it inherited from the Cologne Cathedral and held until 1889, when the Eiffel Tower was finished in Paris, France.



These obelisks seem to be quite appreciated in the U.S. and elsewhere in the world. This is strange to me due to the fact that God forbid these structures in the Bible and demanded them all torn down and destroyed?


"YOU SHALL make for yourselves no idols nor shall you erect a graven image, pillar, or obelisk, nor shall you place any figured stone in your land to which or on which to bow down; for I am the Lord your God." (Leviticus 26:1, KJV Amplified Bible)



"When the children of Israel would forsake God, they turned to worshipping idols. One of the idols they worshipped was the obelisk. God had specifically forbidden them to do so ...They were also told that, when they went into pagan nations, they 'shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars (obelisks) and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods and destroy them out of that place. Ye shall not do so unto the Lord your God'. Many other such warnings are also in the Bible. The following references use the same Hebrew word for 'pillar' (obelisk) but it is translated as 'images'. See: Exodus 23:24; 34:13 Deuteronomy 7:5; 16:22; 1 Kings 14:23; 2 Kings 10:26-27; 17:10; 18:4; 23:14; 2 Chronicles 14:3; 31:1; Hosea 10:1-2; and Micah 5:13 ... The Bible clearly states, 'Come out from among them and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing, and I will receive you' (2 Corinthians 6:17)."5



I'm not the most religious man around, but it seems pretty clear to me. This country struts around boasting that it's a Christian nation, yet it plainly disregards this obvious request from God? Isn't this a tad hypocritical? How can Christians ignore something that's clearly stated like this, while other less definite translations in the Bible are debated endlessly of their meaning?

I'd like to hear some Christians thoughts about this. Do religious folks pick and choose what commands they obey from God? Does the obelisk rule no longer apply? If so, why not and who said so?

Peace.


en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...:Obelisks_in_the_United_States




posted on May, 11 2009 @ 11:44 AM
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There is a great difference between monuments for remembrance and obelisks that are worshiped. Your comparing apples and oranges to bait the Christians here and try to start an argument that does not exist. If you want to try a start a debate, try comparing actual true meanings of the scripture to true artifacts that would be considered Idols. Maybe take on "American Idol" TV show. That would have made more sense!
Zindo



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 11:59 AM
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You just now figured out that the United States is NOT a Christian nation? Where have you been? We have no use for being ruled by Bronze Age goatherders.



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 12:00 PM
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good attempt,

but its a fact that the Washington Monument (obelisk)
is not a thing 'worshiped' or 'bowed-down-to' as the
OldTestament/Torah 'God' demanded, commanded of the
conquering tribes of Israelites way back when.


YOU SHALL make for yourselves no idols nor shall you erect a graven image, pillar, or obelisk,
nor shall you place any figured stone in your land to which or on which to bow down;
for I am the Lord your God." (Leviticus 26:1, KJV Amplified Bible)




but, since that Leviticus wording was way before Islam erected
Mosques

would those 'Minerettes' where the call-to-prayer is sung...
be thought of as those admonished 'Pillars' in the verse you provided ?

that would make those Islamic towers/pillars wicked in the eyes of the OT god...some 1500 years before Mohammed even founded Islam...
hmmm, food for thought,


thanks for bringing it up



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 12:07 PM
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Well as others pointed out the answer is obviously simple - nobody bows down and worships the Washington Monument or other obelisks. But you are onto something with all the occultic symoblism across the US in structures (Pentagon, Washington Monument, and on our money).



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 12:21 PM
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Our Father in Heaven doesn't want us to be out of our minds with strong drink but there are thousands of bars where people can go to drink.

Strong drink is even sold in grocery stores and many restaurants. Does that mean that all grocery store owners and restaurant owners selling alcohol are not Christians?

We are forbidden to lust after another man's wife/husband. This one transgression could effect nine tenths of the Christian population.

I could go on and on for pages but I won't.

I will say happily that as Christians we have been given a special gift.
That is the gift of forgiveness. For this I am most thankful.

There has only been one perfect person and he was killed on a wooden cross over two thousand years go.

Peace and Light to you.



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 12:23 PM
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didn't they have some separation of state and church? freedom of religion? etc? etc?

My god forbids cube shaped objects, objects which reflect light with a wavelength longer than 500nm and all depictions of geometric balance - we mostly ignore his decrees though because he based most his wild ideas on discredited race science, oh if only #our# god had been all knowing too
-but still i'm outraged these item exist in america, if i ever visit i will be turning them over and smashing them with the anger of a senile god.

But seriously, hopefully that gave you a glimpse into my point... It was intently evil of the churchmen who came into my nation and violently destroyed all our monuments, alters, statues, art, etc, etc -i speak of course about the catholic inquisitors who went on their merry way around england for the best part of a thousand years pulling down and smashing the old stone circles, standing stones, etc -of course this is only what they'd done everywhere else they'd been, temple mount #was# a prejudah site of worship, the giant hilltop church in south america #was# a golden Mayan temple, etc, etc...

Just because your belief system doesn't like a certain shape doesn't give you the right to ruin it for the rest of us, if your god says not to worship standing stones then DON'T! simple as that -boycott the memorial day protests, sightseeing tours, etc.... It's easy for you, you have 12 objects to avoid if you think those bronzeage thugs who stole and pillaged their way through history were right on - know how hard it is to find irregular shaped blue or violet objects to visit?



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 12:24 PM
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First, let it be clear that I have zero intention of starting an argument. I am only asking questions for my own curiosity.

Obelisks and sun wheels were created as idols to worship sun gods. St. Peters Square has an obelisk in the middle of what looks to be a sun wheel. I am only asking why would these things be used by the Vatican?


In Vatican is Saint Peter's Square. To the square has been described eight-rayed sun wheel design, which is paganism symbol. In the middle of the sun wheel is large Egyptian obelisk. Image Saint Peter's Square is dedicated to paganism worship of the sun. Figures of the sun wheel and obelisk were to Romans familiar symbols and each of them knew, that they are paganism service of god (idols). Because Catholic Church of Rome has qualified these symbols to their church, it is proof about that the church of Rome worships idols and not God of the Bible. For all kinds of service of idols and idol statues and symbols are forbidden about those who believe, that the Bible is the word of God.


The Washington Monument also has the words laus Deo, which means praise be to God, inscribed on the east pyramidal point. These are valid questions that have nothing to do with picking a fight with religion.


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posted on May, 11 2009 @ 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by Zerbst

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This country struts around boasting that it's a Christian nation, yet it plainly disregards this obvious request from God?
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en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...:Obelisks_in_the_United_States


If I remember correctly the bible it is also stated somewhere ''Thou shall not kill''

This was also disregarded. How can the US think that they are a christian nation when they wage war like no one else in modern history ?

The only thing that is more absurd than organized religion is the US thinking they are chosen by god.



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 12:31 PM
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It still remains that the Oblisks built here by the government are not meant to be worshiped as if they themselves where gods or even that they represent the Christian God. Having a reference to God on an oblisk does not mean that it is in itself a god. It only references a rememberence of Him. "To have No Other Gods before Me" means to worship anything other than Him. I have always thought that even renderings of our impression of God are the true graven Images. I find crosses with his visage hanging on it a bit over the top and come under the graven image idea. Sorry if I came off a bit harsh. Its been a very bad morning here for me. I appologize!

Zindo



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 12:49 PM
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This is an interesting discussion. I’ve always found it fascinating that men of such clear devotion to the Christian God, meaning so many of our founding fathers, would have so many clearly ancient pagan symbols and structures throughout the capital. I’ve been to DC and taken tours. There are numerous Masonic and pagan symbols from the “all seeing eye” to obelisks and the like. We can’t see these and simply say that they mean nothing. If they were worthless in the eyes of those who came before us why did they take such effort to erect them for all to see? I’ve always thought that if one was to introduce something to the masses the best way to do that would be slowly, subtly, and mixed with accepted values and beliefs.
I do think we were founded as a Christian nation, by men who believed in biblical values, and I can base this on the many examples of their personal writings and public addresses. But we also need to remember that they were men who were flawed and some of them were deeply entrenched in Masonic practices, which while on the surface are “Christian” but as you progress deeper into its practices and rituals, are very pagan and destructive. These symbols that we see are based on those teachings, even down to the layout of old DC, being based on Masonic requirements. I learned this on the official tour! It is interesting to note that even though George Washington was a lifelong member of the masons that in his later years he renounced them completely.
When we see these monuments and symbols, the best thing we can do is not be ignorant of their meaning, and even though we were birthed with ancient attachments to clearly wrong groups such as the masons, we were also built by people who were devoted to the God of the Bible, revisionists be damned! They can’t change the truth and sadly until we return to those core values we will never have true peace or contentment here.



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 12:59 PM
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"YOU SHALL make for yourselves no idols nor shall you erect a graven image, pillar, or obelisk, nor shall you place any figured stone in your land to which or on which to bow down; for I am the Lord your God." (Leviticus 26:1, KJV Amplified Bible)


how ironic is it that churches and statues of the crucifixion are just that...
"graven images"... pillars and obelisks etc.. churches filled to the brim with beautiful occult sacred geometry..

forgive me for not stating my sources.. but I read somewhere that in the dead sea scrolls there lies a "gospel of christ" where he declares somethign to the effect of "you will not find me under brick or wood".. as in not in the church..

that the "7 churches" the "7 seals" are actually the 7 Chakras.. the 7 nerve ganglions that permeate our bodies where the spirit's architecture manifests.

wouldn't you be strucken dumbfounded if you realized that non-traditional-christian types actually arranged the passages in the bible that so many interpret literally as written by a patriarchal individual god-being outside of you?


and what if these graven images.. these pillars were also symbolic.. in that they weren't actual pillars.. but symbolically something else? as in physiological features, or psychological aggregates.


but wait.. we're in america the lobotomized, I forgot, that type of deep pondering about scripture is not allowed in the literalist institutionalized church.

the very "physical institute pillared church" that was warned not to focus your attention on, but rather the kingdom within.. the living god ...US!

RIBO-NUCLEIC ACID FREAKOUT! THE POWER OF PRAYER!

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posted on May, 11 2009 @ 02:13 PM
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Thank you for the apology. I should have made my intent more clear. Controversial topics are easy to confuse when reading text and misdirecting emphasis.



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 02:18 PM
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I fail at one of the commandments . . .

Exodus 20:17

"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's . . . ass"




but damn is she hot




[edit on 11/5/2009 by xxpigxx]



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 02:31 PM
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Well, what we have here is a varied translation, bc my Bible does not say oblisques. In mine it says

I am the Lord your God: you shall not make to yourselves any idol or graven thing, neither shall you erect pillars, nor set up a remarkable stone in your land, to adore it: for I am the Lord your God.
drb.scripturetext.com...

It is essentially the same arguement I've encountered from "anti Catholics" about the images in a Church. God did not command us to not have any images, statues, etc. He commanded us to not worship them, IF people choose to believe that these items, ie obelisks or whatever else, where to be currently banned, then by the same arguement all photo's, nativity scenes, and emblem or symbol of religion, should also be banned as a person can not be trusted to not worship the object.

There are actually many passages that God requested statues/images to be constructed, here is one. "And you shall make two cherubim of gold [i.e., two gold statues of angels]; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of one piece of the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends. The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be" (Ex. 25:18–20).
It is not the image or structure that is forbidden, it is IF the object is to worshipped then it is forbidden. If it is for rememberence or aesthetics it is acceptable.

[edit on 11-5-2009 by searching4truth]



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 02:50 PM
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So the title of the thread says "12" obelisks...Any info on these 12?
The discussion seems to be only talking about the Washington Memorial.

The second link in the OP didn't seem to be connecting to anything related to the topic at hand.

Curious about the 12 aspect

12 disciples / zodiac constellations etc.



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by cynical572
So the title of the thread says "12" obelisks...Any info on these 12?
The discussion seems to be only talking about the Washington Memorial.

The second link in the OP didn't seem to be connecting to anything related to the topic at hand.

Curious about the 12 aspect

12 disciples / zodiac constellations etc.


San Jacinto, Texas has one (it is right outside of Houston)



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 03:07 PM
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I hope they're not trying to say that there are ONLY 12 obelisks in the USA, maybe implying that a certain 12 are significant???

I'm interested because I believe there is a connection between Obelisks and Church Steeples, As well as the architecture of the tops of certain sky-scrapers.

Another interesting point is some of the elite have enough money to assure that their final resting place (grave) is marked with either an obelisk or a pyramid.



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 03:18 PM
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Even though church officials in most denominations do NOT want to admit it, Steeples are nothing but phallic symbols of our lords appendage! I know, its not PC but it is true. Sorry if I offend anyone but there is an historical basis for this hypothesis!

Zindo



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by cynical572
So the title of the thread says "12" obelisks...Any info on these 12?
The discussion seems to be only talking about the Washington Memorial.

The second link in the OP didn't seem to be connecting to anything related to the topic at hand.

Curious about the 12 aspect

12 disciples / zodiac constellations etc.


here are the other eleven.

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Yes, there are many obelisks in the U.S.. These twelve are mentioned because they are major monuments.

Peace.



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