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reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 01:00 AM by Mikeyy
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Is that weapon Overkill? Yes.
But is it Useless? I don't think so.
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reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 01:45 PM by jon1234
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that is funny. wouldnt it be easier to call in air support?
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reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 01:51 PM by dooper
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The lack of success with this weapon is painfully obvious.
It has no precision sight attached.
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reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 03:01 PM by Viking04
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Dooper:
It was intended for members of the 'Ray Charles Gun Club'.
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reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 03:13 PM by Now_Then
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Originally posted by dooper
The lack of success with this weapon is painfully obvious.
It has no precision sight attached.
How precise would you have to be?? The bomb gets launched from this end there fore everything that side of the weapon goes away... Everything on the
other side, well dies slowly...
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reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 04:10 PM by Viking04
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'Everything' is an overstatement by several orders of magnitude. The DC was a very low-yield weapon, adjustable yield, with the max yield
sub-kiloton. It was meant to destroy an approaching column/deny terrain (at least in the short term).
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reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 08:46 AM by Unknown Perpetrator
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Stupid, stupid idea, here's why:
British Army planning staffs studied several alternative warheads available to them before concluding that a copy of the US W-54 warhead, built in the
UK was the best option, although an unresolved concern was the HE composition used in the American warhead that was too shock-sensitive to meet
with the approval of the UK Ordnance Board. (2)(2)
Hand grenade or mortar round goes off in or around the trench/foxhole... a whole lot of dead and vapourized Americans
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reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 02:36 PM by dooper
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You gotta lighten up.
It was a joke.
One of those wry observations that is counter to logic.
Look at the video again, and then read my response again.
Repeat until you 'get it.'
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reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 07:09 PM by spartan002
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wow amazing i didn't know they had a weapon like this.
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reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 07:17 PM by Viking04
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Originally posted by spartan002
wow amazing i didn't know they had a weapon like this.
The key is 'had'. DC was a 1950's-1960's weapon. The warheads were converted to alternative applications.
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reply posted on 7-7-2009 @ 08:44 PM by geckofooddude
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...They make a civilian model?
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reply posted on 7-7-2009 @ 08:53 PM by Viking04
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Originally posted by geckofooddude
...They make a civilian model?
Yeah, but they had to take the bayonet lug off of it.
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reply posted on 7-7-2009 @ 08:54 PM by dooper
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Oh yeah, they've had weapons like this for a while.
Got mine on Ebay.
Downside: it's just a single shot.
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reply posted on 8-7-2009 @ 12:37 AM by whatukno
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So I assume that your waiting for Atomic Annie?
The first atomic artillery, nicknamed "Atomic Annie" is a 280mm cannon capable of firing artillery shells with tactical nuclear warheads. Twenty
of the atomic cannons were produced at a cost of $800,000 each. The weapon weighed over 83 tons, with cannon and carriage, or 50 tons in firing
position, and was more than 80 feet in length, the largest mobile artillery ever built.
Gun crews could set the cannon up and be ready to fire in less than 15 minutes using hydraulic jacks and winches. The atomic cannon could be be
returned from firing position to traveling position also in 15 minutes, record time for any artillery of similar size. The huge gun is balanced on its
nine foot circular base plate with jacks, enabling its crew (5 to 7 men) to move it through its full 360° traverse capability. The projectile and
powder charge are loaded with the assistance of a power hydraulic ram.
Source: www.olive-drab.com...
The fireball ascending at Frenchman's Flat, NV from the Atomic Cannon Test, history's first atomic artillery shell fired from the M65 280mm
artillery gun, 23 May 1953.
Or perhaps you want to pack a nuke into a M32 Grenade Launcher?
We have the technology...
To produce weapons...
No sane person would ever deploy in battle...
We can make them stronger, faster, more brutal...
 little take on the 6 million dollar man
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reply posted on 8-7-2009 @ 05:37 AM by Fiyah333
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Oh my god what a beautiful piece of weaponry.... well except for the nuclear fallout. BUT DAMN
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reply posted on 8-7-2009 @ 07:58 AM by C0bzz
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Originally posted by Unknown Perpetrator
Stupid, stupid idea, here's why:
British Army planning staffs studied several alternative warheads available to them before concluding that a copy of the US W-54 warhead, built in the
UK was the best option, although an unresolved concern was the HE composition used in the American warhead that was too shock-sensitive to meet
with the approval of the UK Ordnance Board. (2)(2)
Hand grenade or mortar round goes off in or around the trench/foxhole... a whole lot of dead and vapourized Americans
Typically warheads need to be armed before a nuclear reaction can take place. What would be expected would be an essentially, a fissle, HE going off
only, no nuclear reaction, dirty bomb, and some very irradiated troops, but not vapourised.
I'd rather nuke an advancing column and take my chances with fallout rather than be ran over by some tanks and my country falling.
[edit on 8/7/2009 by C0bzz]
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reply posted on 11-7-2009 @ 08:01 PM by moatdal
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The "Davie Crockett" was used in the video game MGS3 from a helicopter shortly after the game begins. Now, do you think that firing this weapon
from the air in an aircraft would drastically increase the range and allow the troops using it to escape? But I guess that really depends on the
speed of the aircraft and the height fired from, and is it even posible to fire it from a helicopter? Sorry for the nerdyness.
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reply posted on 14-7-2009 @ 06:52 PM by PhantomArcani
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Originally posted by StellarX
Hi,
Can anyone explain to me why they think that this weapon is 'useless'? Would you rather take your chances with fallout ( defeated by having a well
dug shelter with top cover) or be run over by the tank battalion that is busy shooting up your position? Sure i can agree that i wouldn't hand these
things out to every tenth guy but this sort of thing give new meaning to 'direct fire support'. Why bother with CAS or artillery support when every
battalion level command has a few of these!
Either way it would kinda ruin the war for both sides if nuclear rifle wielding commando 'scouts' could scout in this kind of force.
Stellar
Edit: for spelling
[edit on 11-5-2009 by StellarX]
Well, although that would look really cool to snipe Bin Laden with a Big Nuke, you have to think, if we were to blast the Bejesus out of key targets
in a war, or big forces in a battle, well, you have to consider the half-life effects on that terrain.. farming or any civil use of that area would be
non-existant, and any wild life would be messed up... i'd prefer a .50 cal shot or air strike any day to a mininuke.... but hey, to each his own eh?
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reply posted on 14-7-2009 @ 07:31 PM by Now_Then
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Originally posted by moatdal
and is it even posible to fire it from a helicopter?
I would say that you could actually fire it, but in 99% of circumstances it would be more suicidal than launching it from the ground - when your up in
the air in a chopper the blast wave would be impossible to continue flying through... And then any EMP could fry any electronics. And up there
everyone on the chopper could be blinded, you can't fly very well blind!
On the ground the blast would be bad, but easier to shield your self from, electronics can be fried too... That wont kill you.
Something faster than a chopper could be different, say fired backwards from a fast jet? Or from very high up?
edit: what's up with the BBcode?
It's defiantly a last ditch weapon, I wouldn't make any long term plans if I was firing it... You could survive, but it's like 50/50 at the best I
think.
[edit on 14/7/2009 by Now_Then] That should get it
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reply posted on 15-7-2009 @ 06:34 PM by punkinworks
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Originally posted by Now_Then
Something faster than a chopper could be different, say fired backwards from a fast jet? Or from very high up?
[edit on 14/7/2009 by Now_Then]
Thats what the F105 thunder chief was designed for, a low level supersonic nuclear strike
All it takes is a several second delay to allow the aircraft to eacape.
Also the DC was a fire cracker in the world of nuclear weapons,
from the wiki
By comparison, the smallest yield version of the W54 (10 tons) is two to four times as powerful as the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, making the 250
ton version 50 to 100 times as powerful.
It would have been a scary assignment but as a soldier it is your duty to kill the enemy or die trying.
But with the range 1 to 2 1/2 miles you would survive the blast, blast radius of only 200 or so yards, and could skeedaddle before the fallout
started to come back down. And they would have been positioned to take advantage of the prevailing winds, by blowing most of the fallout back onto an
enemy column.
It would have been used to close routes of advance into west germany, such as the Fulda Gap and the danube river valley.
The navy seal version of the W54 warhead was intended to be parachuted into an enemy harbor with 2 seals, who would place the warhead and manually
arm and detonate it. talk about a suicide mission.
Actually being a "Dragon gunner" later on in the cold war was also a real suicide mission.
A high school freind of mine was a dragon gunner station in germany in the eighties, and they were told that they would have a 90% casualty rating in
the opening minutes of any large scale invasion.
Being a dragon gunner was a voluntary assignment.
M-74 dragon
The missle is wire guided with a range of 1/2 mile.
Once launched, which produced a LARGE smoke cloud, the gunner had to remain stationary and guide the missle to its target for the 10 seconds it would
take to reach the target. Plenty of time for counter fire to be directed at the launch sites.
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