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Originally posted by junglejake
Knew this was coming
I would contend that yes, someone else has lied more then Bush who has held that office. One of our dear ex-presidents has even gone so far as to lie under oath. Bush's lies are disturbing, as all presidential lies are, but lying under oath, in my opinion, is a lot worse!
Originally posted by junglejake
The difference is that if, while under oath, the president lies, he subverts the entire judicial system. It is assumed by our courts that when you say something under oath, you are telling the truth as you know it. If you're ever discovered to be lying, there are stiff penalties. Well, stiff penalties unless you're the president of the country and have a fantastic spin machine. Without this assumption, an eye witness would not be of any use in a trial. Say, for instance, 4 people saw someone gun down a pedestrian, and all 4 could identify that person, but there was no physical evidence. If it's not assumed that you're telling the truth under oath, those 4 people's testamony is worthless, and the killer goes free.
Originally posted by Colonel
So what happens when you illegally divert (re: steal)700 million for the war in Afghanistan in defiance of Congressional appropriations, at the risk of our troops there, to a failed war in Iraq? IS that ok? Is that worse that lying about sex?
Originally posted by Amuk
Does any politicion tell the truth? I can not think of ANY in my memory that could be called honest can you?
I am serious how far do you think ANY of them would get by being honest?
Originally posted by ashley
I am not sure which president lied the most, Come on Washington lied about the cherry tree.
hmmm...And here I was under the impression that myth came about in the mid 1800s.
As far as being the worst at it. It is bush junior(BJ) thats funny. The last president got one and this president is one. This idiot cannot even speak simply without telling a lie."fool me once.shame on you,,blah,blah ,blah." He cant even tell
an old hillbilly saying without lying..
A freekin expensive embarassment. Where is Lee Harvey when you need him,for cheney of course. All bush needs is a pretzel.
Wow, you dislike his politics so much that you would want him to die? Dang, only person I've ever felt that way about is Ashcroft, and I hoped he'd go by natural causes (If he gets assassinated, we can kiss all of our freedoms goodbye). Oh, and by the way (I know this is really going to upset you) that's opinion, not fact Enjoy your rage
Originally posted by specialasianX
Clinton lied under oath, big deal. an oath mean jack all to me. Clinton lied about a consenting sexual relation with an adult... wow! i'm sure most of us have done that at least once in our lives, but how many of you have told lies that result in the death of thousands and thousands of innocent people overseas so that you can get a few extra bucks on your pocket... i think the question should be 'has any other president told so many horrific lies... coz the answer would be no
Originally posted by junglejake As for the illegal diversion, I wasn't aware it was illegal. Could you give a source? What law did he break by doing that?