Americans, How Much Do We Despise Socialism?

reply to post by acewilliams


You know, the people making the rules definitely directed the way things work, in a way that the money COULD be siphoned from the people, to those they deemed worthy.

It really has been repeated over and over again.... The people behind the federal reserve have always offered loans to countries, so said countries could go to war.... and then, my guess, made agreements with the government, to make sure that perpetual debt would be assured.

It was genius. Create a large population of slaves... that would forever be in debt, for the ability to attain funding for wars. (Wars that were most likely instigated by the people behind the federal reserve)

I mean, it's proven that the big money controlling families, funded all sides on any war. That way, all countries involved would be forever in debt to them.

---------The least they could do is PROVIDE FOR their loyal slaves, that keep giving their lives to this horrible game. -

reply to post by LostNemesis


I honestly had no clue what socialism meant, I always related to oppression and Adolf Hitler when it was mentioned. But right after I joined ATS I had made a statement on a thread, I was saying that it is just so unfair that people like Oprah and the likes of Fred Durst, the guy that plays Borat, and many unknown but very rich people, get to live in the lap of luxury in the same country where children are starving, people are homeless, ect. It seemed to me that there should be a statute in which persons who are grossly rich should be forced to help the less fortunate, so many would benefit from such acts! But, I was quickly bombarded with 'insults' that I am a socalist. Oh well, if helping people when you are capable of doing so makes one a socialist, then I guess I am, because I am not even rich, not by any means, I work in a hotel, but I will give my last dollar to a homeless and needy person, I donate funds to our small but much needed shelter here, and give to the Open Door Home, a place for orphans.

reply to post by LostNemesis

We see Corporate Welfare. "Too big to fail." The rich are denied the ability to fail, but instead are the recipients of everything the working class earns.. and more. Leaving the working class in severe debt for generations to come.

Yes, government hand-outs of taxpayer dollars to failed corporate magnates is probably one of the most sickening displays of corporate back-cratching I've ever witness. My grandfather is likely to be spinning in his grave.....

reply to post by space cadet


Wow, I am in agreement with people I never knew I would agree with.

Thanks for opening up in this issue. I don't know how I feel about 'socialism'. I am not even 100% sure what it means... But, taking a political sciences class has opened my mind so much. I have had a Constitutional view for a while now, but learning about how much we are exploited, and how vulnerable we are... has made me feel bad for those that truly get screwed by the system.
-Kind of puts all of the homeless families into perspective, when you realize how easily it can happen.
Also how rich some people are, and imagining how much their wealth could really help so many people. Eh, it has occurred to me also.

We idolize these people that exploit us, and the celebrities that we seem to be obsessed with. We agree they are better than us by continuing to read about their lives in the magazines, and of course buying their movies.

We work harder than they do, in 'the system', but what IS IT that makes them better than us? Were they in the right place at the right time, and got lucky? Were they blessed with better genetics?

Either way, I have also noticed the way American ATSers will attack anything relating to the word 'socialism', because they are horribly offended by the idea of their government actually giving the wealth back to the people. Instead of corporations and bankers.

EDIT to add: Also, while I know what it is like to struggle... I don't think anyone should be forced to give up wealth toward helping others -- I just sincerely wonder why the insanely rich would not want to do it willingly.

[edit on 11-5-2009 by LostNemesis]

reply to post by LostNemesis


Socialism is only a label. Democracy= communism; the general public are only subdued into believing that they have a choice. We are no less corrupt than the ones our Govts. promise to save us from

reply to post by space cadet


In a free market if we had a free market, people would be paid their worth and these companies would fall. The fall of so many failed companies would open the doors for new ones, and there would always be work. In a free market, the only people who would really suffer are those who didn't do anything. Don't feel bad for wanting to help the less fortunate, it's natural for most of us.

reply to post by KRISKALI777


They promise to save us from corruption? Lol

My only wish for society as a whole... If we were to elect people to work FOR us, for them to not steal from us. And if they must tax us, put the money back into the system - or us. Just to give the wealth back to us, in some way, shape or form.

Also in that wish, stay out of our lives... Bah, is it too much to ask, to have the dignity to have corrupt idiots not need to watch us like we are their enemy? The only time they should interfere in our life, is if we endanger someone else's right to safety in some way.
Probably off-topic. Sorry.

We should all just say what we really are. we are socialists. I know all of you can see it so admit it.

-Raises hand-

Ooh! I'll play!

Seriously now :-p

Let's just start by telling you now that I embrace socialism (REAL socialism) as in the concepts behind fair taxing, equality and the better stuff. I donate to people, I help the poor from time to time and I work hard for my money just to sit and watch a billion dollars get passed out to CEO's who ran their company to the ground. Now I make a fair living, it's enough to get me what I need and a few things I want. So in turn I throw a little cash to the needy. I am not stupid, I know I have probably given a couple bucks to a professional panhandler who makes more than I do and has a nice house. The point is somewhere I have made a difference. I don't mind SOME class difference as it moves towards monetary means but why is Miley Cyrus a millionaire when she has yet to work a real job? Why is the guy next to me working overtime tonight so he can make sure he can pay his gas bill?

Look, I know doctors have a very hard job. I am soon to be a psychologist myself and am working towards wrapping this degree up so I can move to my PhD but I have a question...

What is class exactly? To (VERY LOOSELY) quote the great Hunter 'Patch' Adams, since when did a doctor become a god? See this whole class system drives me nuts. When the days comes that I put on that white coat as a doctor I am no better than anyone else. I have learned alot in my own profession but who the heck hasn't?

So Mr Garbage Man is less than I am because I have a shiny white collar job? Then why are so many of these white collar folks miserable? Money obviously doesn't make things better. It isn't a cure-all and if you rub it on yourself it heals nothing. What heals things is the heart, the bain, the soul. Make friends and for the love of all that is holy leave people be. Part of the socialist idea is to do no harm. What is so darn bad about sharing some of the millions you have? Does that 50 bedroom house make you better?

And here is another thing for the socialphobes (maybe that's a real word...no idea)

Hitler wasn't a socialist. He was a dictator. He killed millions because he believe one race was the path to a successful future. So yes, I do embrace socialism.

Now with that said, I will be the first to say it will never work in it's real form. Greed, corruption and lack of empathy are factors ingrained in people. Let's say we poofed and became socialist right now. I believe the true socialist country we are now in would fizzle inside of 1 second (the length of time it takes to have a greedy thought) and the downfall begins.

So in the end...

I embrace socialism but I won't be holding my breath for it

-Kyo

Good Thread.

Here is my take on Socialism/Capitalism:

- Capitalism: Everything for the Money (remember christians: you can't serve God and Money). It's in the word: Capital=Money, at least in some langages.

- Socialism: Everything for the Society: Our humans fellows.


Hear hear!
When banks are given people's money, it's everything for the Capital, it's Corporate Welfare, IT'S CAPITALISM for crying out loud!!!
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Of course I'm no blind: there are very good people believing in Capitalism and there are very bad people believing in Socialism.

But I know with whom I choose to be.
Bartering, community, work (everyone works! and no, bankers don't work enough for their gain, that's crazy).

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Ohhhhh. I think that I vented myself a little bit there.



cheers all.
TheTilde

Capitalism is just the 'flip side' of Marxism. Total Materialist Economite thinking where The People are left completely out of the picture. In Marxism it is the Party Big Wigs who get to be in charge. In capitalism it is the Coporate CEOs. Both are essentially the same thing and you will notice that both are devoid of ANY spiritual values.

There is a third way however and that POPULISM!!! With this socio-political orientation the needs of the people are put first and you will notice that as soon as some emergent leader starts to be a Populist (Huey Long, Henry Ford) they are either discredited or just outright assassinated by the NWO.

One important aspect of Populism is that it often featured Radical Localism and this helps to stave off the Totalitarian Big Government types.