growing up i always wanted to take up boxing. it was not allowed. as a young boy my grandfather taught me to fight. not rope-a-dope... but hand to hand combat.

he was a USN Frogman during WWII. he wasn't teaching sportsmanship, he was teaching war. not how to start one but how to finish it. survival not sport.

those old soldiers and sailors saw this coming long ago. when they served aboard ships where white men gained the glory as black men cooked chow, they knew there was injustice yet to be dealt with. im not trying to draw a racial parallel here, (though i did) just pointing out that we have failed to live up to the high handed ideals set forth by the constitution, which makes safeguarding it an uphill battle. a seemingly insurmountable task.

we are required to have faith, of all things, if we expect the great experiment to pass even marginally. faith in something that never has actually existed in full manifest. sounds oddly familiar.

the problem with the 'self defense' angle is that people would probably be forced into a corner like a wounded animal with no recourse other than to lash out. the only reason we haven't seen it is because its happening. perspective is everything. just a bit more hunger, poverty, and crime is all it needs to become a conflageration.

most anyone capable of affording a laptop or desktop with high speed connection and the ability, education, and perception to complain about TPTB probably hasn't felt the full sting... therefore still too numb to engage the situation with the attention it warrants. it's not just the kids and xbox... there have been plenty of more mature distractions in place long before the video age.

right now we sit, reading and writing instead of doing.

you should work for our government.

If he was a little more subtle, and a little more articulate, I would guess he already does.

Originally posted by earthman4
Buncha whinney right wing extreemists not getting laid so they kill babies for a cause they are not even sure of.

Not to really get into this whole conversation, but I needed to point out something. For one, right wingers are quite against killing babies. You know, that the whole darned "Pro-Life" movement. Now the "Pro-Choice" Movement of the left is quite the opposite...maybe your confused on the viewpoints and platforms of the two sides?

And 2nd...spell check is a beautiful thing.


[edit on 11-5-2009 by DropInABucket]

Well you know I 'll be the first to fight......when there's something to fight over.

I went out and spent some of my minimally taxed bonus money on some grossly overpriced 7.62x39 ammo this weekend.

The government hasn't taxed it, but my fellow gun owners sure have managed to push the price through the roof.

Right now the cure is causing me more pain than the illness.

Originally posted by ZindoDoone
Ahhh yes..Utopia..that place the has never existed nor will it ever exist.

Ahhh yes, the mandatory post stating the obvious and equating a place where not forcing your beliefs on others is a "utopia" and can never happen. I never said anything about utopia, ar any place close.

8 years of tyranny over and now they want it back.

I find this the most ironic portion of your post.

While I agree that the past 8 years have been nothing short of tyrannical, you have to look past that to realize that the tyranny hasn't stopped, no no.

The idea that tyranny can not occur with a democrat in office is exactly what they want you to think, because its occurring right under your oblivious nose.

The very idea of democracy implies tyranny upon a minority, by a majority.

Also - the idea that we want to hand control over back to the people that ran the country into the ground is laughable at best.

It's clear that you're either a government crone of some sort, or very heavily influenced by the imaginary left/right paradigm.

They're all wolf in sheep's clothing.

[edit on 11-5-2009 by djzombie]

Originally posted by Question
If only one person has different principles, they can create a mutiny and turn the tide from searching freedom, to searching for more control.

What in any of my posts gives you reason to believe I would be "searching for more control"?

Also, I never said anything about democrats. I'm not a democrat and I could care less about either party. I was actually responding to a poster that was (jokingly) bashing California and "liberals", but that was already addressed and all is good. Are you really for unity, or will you only unite with those who share your principles like you said above? That's a pretty braod statement, and maybe you should be more clear yourself...

Originally posted by 27jd

Originally posted by ZindoDoone
Ahhh yes..Utopia..that place the has never existed nor will it ever exist.

Ahhh yes, the mandatory post stating the obvious and equating a place where not forcing your beliefs on others is a "utopia" and can never happen. I never said anything about utopia, ar any place close.

I don't know about your interpretation of what you posted but you explained exactly what Utopia is. You have yet to allow for human nature and the world you want to live in does not take into consideration anything about the human psyche! If you know of a real way to change that short of DNA manipulating, you'd be a rich person and be the first one in line for the procedure. As for myself, I don't see it happening any time in the future, no matter how many Star Trek movies I go see!!

Zindo