The Push to Revolution

reply to post by seataka

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Thank you. Excellent song chronicling the horror of honor spent on a lost cause, but now I long to hear the Battle Hymn of the Republic stirring the souls of all Americans to remember the cause of Liberty; that all men are created equal, that they are endowed BY THEIR CREATOR with certain inalienable rights, that these rights are not negotiable; they are unalterable by men, whether government officials or not. Let again the stirring notes of that righteous call to battle stir the American soul to remember all we once were, and will be again.

reply to post by Jakes51

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The point you fail to appreciate is that TPTB will not allow the reversals that they are being handed. The rush to implement these Statist policies were THEIR last attempt to get the American people to swallow the globalist agenda; the growing resistance to the policies of the puppet masters insures they will soon pull the plug. You will not have to look for Revolution, it will soon be looking for you. Fight or kneel are your only choices.

reply to post by Ex_MislTech

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Depends as to which militias you refer, the smart ones are underground after the mid 90’s witch hunts, informants, plants and false charges. Membership is largely by invitation only, and restricted to those who are ‘known’.

I think that was Janet Renos life mission to eliminate them all. It was the Oklahoma city bombing, Wako and Ruby Ridge that made them hide. I don't think that hiding was a good idea although i completely understand. They limited their membership and after Ruby Ridge the American people gave the government a real look of disgust.

Things may have been different if more of the militias stood up and cried foul, especially when the National Guard was deployed in large numbers to Iraq in 1991. Most people like knowing that someone is watching their backs.

I would love to find a nice well organized group near me.

At Ruby Ridge? The neighbors were some kind of pissed, and I think it wouldn't have taken much more for some of the local "good old boys" to start taking it to the FBI.

What a bunch of jerks!

They do so much good work, and then when it comes to Americans just minding their own affairs, not doing anyone any harm, they have to try out their new toys.

"Gee! Never been in a real gunfight, so let's start shooting!"

Wait until that stuff comes back at them. You'll see some lumps in the back of their shorts.

Recall the BATF hotshots hauling ass back after their initial assault at Waco?

There's the never-have's and never-wills, the wannabe's who few can but most can't, and the been-there-done-that crowd.

The vast majority are the nevers. Significantly fewer wannabe's.

Even fewer been-theres.

But those are the ones who get the job done when the rubber meets the road.

Not because they want to.

Because they know if they don't, it don't get done.

AND their contrary nature.

reply to post by dooper

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Waco was the ATFE unabashed attempt to force Congress for more funding. Right after it happened several memos where found that said they had to find a big ticket item as a show piece for their 'so called needs' to be met. Ruby Ridge was an out of control local ATF that wanted to show he could run an undercover sting for promotion and couldn't get the cooperation he wanted so simply made up a report that started the whole thing running down hill. Militias might be underground and by invitation only but they are building a trained,
officers corp' if you will, that can make any and all who join when they break free into a cohesive force.

Zindo

As a contemporary and associate of Bo Gritz during the hay day of the 90’s Militia Movement, I can tell you it was the better part of wisdom that the vast majority of the movement went underground. The tactics that Janet Reno Justice Department had attempted and was willing to use would have made the Nazi’s proud.

Now with the use of cells that are loosely connected, the Feds have not been able to pull off any more Waco’s. We bide our time and grow.

reply to post by ZindoDoone

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Thanks, Zindo, I never got that piece. I just knew that the whole thing stunk to high heaven from start to finish.

All that over cutting off the barrel of a shotgun, if memory serves me. They could have waited in town and picked him up at their leisure.

Then the FBI kills the mother. My God.

Same strategic opportunity at Waco. Long roads, easy to monitor ingress and egress, pick him up later, and but the BATF had to go in shooting.

My father-in-law is former BATF, and I told him that if I ever saw men in black coming at me, there would be a bloodbath. He agreed he would do the same thing.

Stupidity, compounded by greater stupidity, enabled by forceful stupidity.

reply to post by SGTChas

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Sarge, I never joined any group. I've had some take me for a "show" and have seen ungodly weaponry - I mean some BIG stuff - hidden in some of the most unlikely places.

I've been at an intersection and told that with a phone call, fifteen minutes later X number of men would arrive, from that direction within five minutes X number of armed men would arrive, in THAT direction, within 20 minutes X number of men would arrive, on and on. He wasn't a man to exaggerate either.

I never even joined the VFW, because I never wanted my name on any list whatsoever.

I've been offered commissions in foreign armies, been recruited by one very famous three-letter agency, as "three sections want you to work for them - all three are known as the 'boys in the basement.'" So I've been examined very closely by the FBI.

Kept wondering why friends, landlords, associates, professors, and folks I had forgotten repeatedly asked if I was in any kind of trouble. Had no idea that I would be offered a job with those guys, looking for other devious SOB's.

I don't think I would have much trouble hooking up though, as "like kind" seem to find and know "like kind."

I usually did pretty good on my own, as I only had myself to worry about.

But even I'm not stupid enough to not know my limitations.

I can only be in one place at a time, even though at times I can be a crowd all by myself.

reply to post by dooper

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I learned a long time ago that an Army of one can be very effective, but there are numerous young Patriots that need your guidance and experience. Consider one last command, one last mission Senior Troop; experience instilled and passed on will save lives.

I had the pleasure to meet up with Bo Gritz once and was impressed by the man. He seemed to be an honest patriot. I had not thought of him for some time. I think I even have an autographed copy of his autobiography somewhere. I may have to reread it. By the way have you read "UNINTENDED CONSEQUINCES" I have an autographed copy of that too.

respectfully

reluctantpawn

reply to post by reluctantpawn

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Yes I have read it. Bo really was a help to me during very evil days, I will never forget him.

I think Ruby Ridge was actually over 1/4" of wood at the butt. The barrel was cut precisely to BATF specs, but the overall length was 1/4" too short.

Goon squads killed the man's son and dog first, then his wife later while she was holding his baby.

Damn near wiped out his whole family. To be honest, I'll never understand how he was able to keep it together after that, and maintain. I'm fairly sure that I'd have gone ape****, lost it, and started zapping folks long, hard, and continuously until they got me.

Mr Weaver is obviously a better man than I. Going ape**** never has a good aftermath.

It's my understanding that Koresh went for a mile jog every morning at 07:30. seem to me he'd have been an easy pickup then, rather than going into a compound full of women and children, guns a blazin'.

I recall looking over the ATF list of 'illicit weapons' from the Waco compound several years ago, just a year or two after it happened. The thing that struck me was that I didn't see ANY illegal weapons on it. Not one.



[edit on 2009/6/3 by nenothtu]

reply to post by dooper

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This is nothing new for the FBI. They've been jerks off and on ever since the formation waaaaay back in the day...

My grandfather had run in's with them during Prohibition when he was a county sheriff in Southwestern Washington. He essentially told them to stay out of his county or there would be problems. As a result of that, all four of my sisters, when they were in the military, came under more than usual examination for various and sundry security clearances. The FBI has a very long institutional memory. Once on the screen, always on the screen...

In case you're curious, the FBI wanted my grandpa to let them smash some doors in at a "speakeasy" during business hours, given that the owner of said "speakeasy" were rather well armed, and grandpa didn't want a bloodbath, he told 'em no. He wound up taking the place after hours, no one hurt, bunch of Canadian booze confiscated, but most importantly, no one was hurt.

Shortly thereafter, word from above had my grandpa pegged as a dirty cop...word from above was Directer Hoover, or so it was said. Odd that my grandpa continued on as sherriff for another two decades plus...seems the fine citizens of the county knew better than the sainted FBI...

I have always thought that one day, during another screwed up, hostage type, gestapo raid, that the alphabet police would look up and see that they were surrounded by he very citizens that they were sworn to protect, cocked and locked. It would be most interesting to see them have to give the order to stand down and go back from where they came. That indeed would put a smile on my face.

respectfully

reluctantpawn

That's a scenario I could see happening in the not too distant future. With the way they're getting overbearing, and identifying the common man as a 'domestic terrorist' now, and trying to convince local law enforcement to go along with the program, I can see one of their Chinese fire drills going horribly off the rails in the not too distant future. we're about due for another Clintonesque crackdown.

A note here for those that know the book 'Unintended Consequences'! The author, John Ross when he released the book was under so much scrutiny by the alphabet soup agencies that he almost stopped publishing it. To begin with he had to self publish because he found it too hard to get past the PC bull of the editors and changes they wanted to protect the company from Government scrutiny. Two years ago he had a stroke and lost everything. He is back on his feet now but I imagine the stress of sticking to his principle wasn't very comfortable for him. Just goes to show you how far the New Deal socialists left over from the past will go to harass real patriots!
I STRONGLY ADVISE THAT THOSE THAT HAVEN'T READ IT, BUY OR BORROW THE BOOK AND READ IT! IT'S JUST A STORY BUT IT RINGS VERY TRUE TODAY!
Zindo

Here's where to buy it:

Unintended Consequences

[edit on 6/3/2009 by ZindoDoone]

reply to post by SGTChas

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The OP's a good story & if you pitched it to 20th Century Fox, they might go for it: "The Outlaw Josie Walton on the Prairie" sort of thing. Needs a female lead... IRL, there will be no revolution in the USA, because Americans are more scared of each other than they are of their government. Can't say I blame them either... (Edit for T9 spelling)

[edit on 15/6/09 by Bunken Drum]

Violent revolution is not necessary. You can achieve change through peaceful actions. Violent revolution will solve nothing. In fact, I believe violent revolution will make matters worse and is more than likely exactly what the powers that be are hoping for.

Violent revolution will be nothing more than a fringe movement and will result in the enactment of an actual dictatorship. After this fringe movement is defeated, martial law will undoubtedly be implemented. Police and military personnel will be stationed on every corner of every major urban center. There will be far more searches conducted and your right as Americans to privacy and your freedoms will be completely eroded.

Violent revolution will achieve the exact opposite of what you are fighting for in my opinion.

If Americans really want positive change, then it must be accomplished through peaceful methods. Millions of peaceful American citizenry marching through Washington DC or elsewhere will certainly get the message across that the people of America have had enough.

You do not need firearms and bloodshed to effectively restore your freedoms. Nor do you need firearms or bloodshed to restore a government that remains accountable to the people.

Just something for people in this thread to ponder over anyway.