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Why are people treating Alex Jones like people treat Lou Dobbs?

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posted on May, 10 2009 @ 05:08 PM
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I just find it irritating that two people both who give good info are being treated in much the same way. Lou Dobbs is psychoanalyzed by people who think that he's racist for not liking illegal immigration. And Alex Jones is being psychoanalyzed by people that think he's insane and think he spouts nonsense. Both people are being hammered by their critics for silly reasons. I think we should both just give Alex Jones and Lou Dobbs the benefit of the doubt. I'm a huge fan of both of the two radio talk show owners. But, I can't stand how there are so many lies said about them.




posted on May, 10 2009 @ 06:10 PM
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The problem I have with both of them, is their information very rarely pans out the way they say it does.

I find they both talk about important issues, and cover some things that are not talked about in the media, but both over sensationalise, exaggerate, and speculate far too much. I follow back their stories to the original sources, and usually either find there's no real proof there, or it's nowhere near as bad as they say, or they had just plain spun it to suit their political angle.



posted on May, 10 2009 @ 06:16 PM
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The lies are spread because we see people of much fewer actions be detained by authorities. We want to understand why alex has not been detained because his actions have been 1000 times more than some of the people who have been detained questioned or arrested...

Our only logical answer is to call out hired propaganda specialist.

Please debunk this Idea and share with us how alex is not a propaganda specialist hired by whoever.



posted on May, 10 2009 @ 06:22 PM
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I don't think he's like Lou Dobbs at all. I think he knows he's lying. Lou Dobbs doesn't.



posted on May, 10 2009 @ 06:25 PM
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reply to post by Frankidealist35
 

I'm British and don't know much about Dobbs, but Jones deserves all the grief he recieves. He's managed to make a million doller career out of at the very least being a disinfo agent -whether consciously or not. For years I was his biggest fan, then I matured and began doing my own research. Sure there are truths amongst what he spouts but there's fearmongering and disinfo as well.

But the nail in the coffin for me as regards his credibility was when I watched one of his 'shuffling papers, screaming at the screen' news report rants. You could see his dark glazed eyes weren't reacting and were totally out of place with his physical demeanor, reddend puffy face, shouting loudly, complete inability to sit still, and shuffling papers wildly. I then showed the clip to my flatmate who is a psychology student and is also well into his hypnosis and Derren Brown style mind manipulation. Straight away he said that man (Alex Jones) is under the influence of either psycoactive drugs, hypnosis, or mind control, or he's insane.

By all means people should use Alex Jones as a resource for info but anything from him should always be verified independently.



posted on May, 10 2009 @ 06:35 PM
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He has been detained once before. He got detained at a 9-11 rally and people chanted "let him out" to have him released. And he was released. He doesn't always have it so easy. He was also detained in Canada before.


reply to post by sharps
 

I agree and disagree. AJ may not be the best source of info-- we do have to independently research what he says... but I don't think he's a disinfo agent. I think he's just someone who has stared in the face of evil for a long time and what's happened to him is a result of that.


reply to post by RubberBaron
 

While it's true that what they say may not happen as they say it will... I would say it's always a good idea to overestimate what will happen than to underestimate the facts. Also, both of the two really do a lot of research and I like how dedicated they are.

[edit on 10-5-2009 by Frankidealist35]



posted on May, 10 2009 @ 06:47 PM
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But Jones' broadcasts (mainly radio) are peppered with blatant lies and deliberate falshoods to spice them up. Or at least he used to when I stopped following him 3 yrs back.



posted on May, 10 2009 @ 06:52 PM
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What falsehoods and lies are you referring to?

Name some. When I listen to him he usually sites his sources... he may have theories about things but they're not lies I would think they're his opinions.

When does he lie?

[edit on 10-5-2009 by Frankidealist35]



posted on May, 10 2009 @ 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by RubberBaron
 

While it's true that what they say may not happen as they say it will... I would say it's always a good idea to overestimate what will happen than to underestimate the facts. Also, both of the two really do a lot of research and I like how dedicated they are.


I agree in part, I think with making future assessments, you must consider the worst case scenario, or you haven't prepared at all, but Jones seems to always be on the worst case scenario as the likeliest. He also shouts down his guests a lot, and makes wild accusations. An example that came up in a recent thread was his interview with Chomsky, he was incredibly rude to him, and made accusations that Chomsky is 'NWO'. All Jones needed to do was do was say "I disagree with him on the issue of guns, and here are some studies/stats to prove my claims about guns in the UK". But he didn't, he just ranted off as usual.

If Jones could calm down his extreme nature, and work more on fact based Journalism, rather than being a news filter and speculator, I think he has the passion that he could be someone who would be respected at least, perhaps a kind of Democracy Now! for the right wing/libertarians, but sadly, I don't think he will.



posted on May, 10 2009 @ 07:36 PM
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Originally posted by Frankidealist35
What falsehoods and lies are you referring to?


Take any rant by Alex Jones, listen to it one claim at a time, utilize Google to research each of those claims, discover the truth that he glosses over with his paranoid ranting.

For starters, compare Alex Jones' claim that Project Megiddo lists all Christians and homeschoolers as extremists from "911: The Road to Tyranny". Then look up Project Megiddo and read what it says. Not once are all Christians or homeschoolers listed as extremists.

Then there's his claim that FBI started the fires at the Branch Davidian's complex, when a quick Google search will tell you that the Branch Davidian's themselves started them with blowtorches.

The list goes on and on and on. Critical thinking is all it takes to see through his ranting, raving, and fear-mongering. He may have good intentions, but all of his half-truths and flat out lies do nothing to help his case.

[edit on 10-5-2009 by Jenna]



posted on May, 10 2009 @ 07:38 PM
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reply to post by Jenna
 

He doesn't lie all that much.

I haven't really heard him do the things that you all say that he does.

Sure, some things are lies but most of it is strong opinions.

Besides, he is entertaining to listen to.



I like hearing AJ rant.



posted on May, 10 2009 @ 07:57 PM
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Oh but he does lie. Frequently. He is entertaining, I'll agree with you on that. It's when you research the things he claims that his arguments fall apart. If you aren't hearing it, then it's only because you don't want to.



posted on May, 10 2009 @ 08:38 PM
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reply to post by Jenna
 


I don't think he lies THAT MUCH.

He lies maybe once or so every show. He's just human, so, give him the benefit of the doubt. I don't think he lies intentionally.

I personally like Jason Burman (sp) far better than Alex Jones though.



posted on May, 10 2009 @ 09:07 PM
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Lets's see here. I don't recall the main stream media ever telling me about FEMA camps popping up all over the place. Alex Jones told me though. I don't think it was the MSM who told me that vaccines contained a mercury based compound called Thimerisol. Wait... it was Alex Jones who gave me the heads up about that! It wasn't the MSM who gave me the heads up that autism in the USA is up 500 fold (50,000%) since the use of thimerisol began, with proven links to the use of Thimerisol. Jesus, if you think that makes Jones a wacko, you're the one in need of a psychiatrist.

www.autismcoach.com...

It sure wasn't the MSM who informed me that the FED is owned by offshore bankers, it was Jones. And by 'offshore', I mean "they aren't Americans and they don't live in the USA". It wasn't the MSM who told me that the major highways in Texas have been turned over to a Spanish company called CINTRA, allowing them to charge whatever tolls they wish (no price cap... ever) for the next 50 years. It was Jones who informed me, and I just have to tell ya, I was stunned, and angered beyond words. You should be too! If you're not, you're can't even call yourself an American.

justgetthere.us...

I could go on and on, but I'm sure these examples are enough for you to get my drift.

I'm a pretty sharp cookie and I'm skeptical as hell about a lot of things I hear, so I check 'em out. And so far, I haven't found Jones lying at all. I admit, when he gets into his rants he sounds half mad. He's not at all mad as in "insane mad", but he's mad as hell (in the anger sense) at the atrocities he sees everyday being committed on his fellow Americans. Everything he does, he does in an incredibly brave effort to inform the American people. It's just so sad that many of them refuse to listen... at their peril. But those who do choose to check out what he says just might have a chance.

For those who think he does this for cash, explain to me how it is that he produces top quality movies, sells them for $6.00 and not only invites, but urges people to copy them and give them away. That doesn't sound like a very good money making scheme to me. So for you people... you don't have a leg to stand on with that accusation.

For all of you who refuse to acknowledge that America is up to it's neck in trouble... just keep your heads in the sand if you want to. For those of you who want a chance at survival... at least check out what Jones says. Because it's true.



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 01:10 AM
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So FEMA camps, that have yet to be proven are actually in existence or proven to be death camps by the way, and thimerisol use in vaccines, which isn't used anymore, somehow means he is telling the truth and those of us who see him for what he is (a crazy, yet entertaining, fear mongerer) are the ones who need psychiatrists? On the contrary, I think he at the least needs some blood pressure meds before he pops a vein during a rant.

And how exactly is it you think he affords to give out his movies so cheap, or free even? You think he's losing money somehow in doing so? Think again, he gets paid very well for what he does or he wouldn't be giving it away. Reminds me of O'Reilly telling people that all the proceeds from his books go to a charity, the name of which slips my mind at the moment, and that for each copy bought he donates a copy to the troops overseas. So by your logic, O'Reilly must be telling the complete truth all the time and isn't in it for the money either.

edit: spelling

[edit on 11-5-2009 by Jenna]



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 01:15 AM
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Originally posted by Jenna
reply to post by Albertarocks
 


So FEMA camps, that have yet to be proven are actually in existence or proven to be death camps by the way, and thimerisol use in vaccines, which isn't used anymore, somehow means he is telling the truth and those of us who see him for what he is (a crazy, yet entertaining, fear mongerer) are the ones who need psychiatrists? On the contrary, I think he at the least needs some blood pressure meds before he pops a vein during a rant.

There's plenty of evidence such prison camps exist.

The question is that whether they're concentration camps or not.

Also, saying that he's crazy for believing in FEMA camps is like saying 9-11 truthers are crazy for believing 9-11 was an inside job. Alex Jones has provided proof that some concentration camps were reopened and he even said that was mentioned in mainstream articles.

He's just arguing a conspiracy. Lots of people would think we are crazy for being on this website. You're a conspiracy theorist. Right? You're on this site and you're into conspiracy theories. Right? So why do you hate the man?



And how exactly is it you think he affords to give out his movies so cheap, or free even? You think he's losing money somehow in doing so? Think again, he gets paid very well for what he does or he wouldn't be giving it away. Reminds me of O'Reilly telling people that all the proceeds from his books go to a charity, the name of which slips my mind at the moment, and that for each copy bought he donates a copy to the troops overseas. So by your logic, O'Reilly must be telling the complete truth all the time and isn't in it for the money either.

He gets money from a lot of people buying his stuff and a lot of prisonplanet members. I'm a member to prisonplanet.tv. It's really nice. You get to watch his free videos and stuff.


[edit on 11-5-2009 by Frankidealist35]



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 02:59 AM
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Originally posted by Jenna
reply to post by Albertarocks
 


So FEMA camps, that have yet to be proven are actually in existence or proven to be death camps by the way, and thimerisol use in vaccines, which isn't used anymore, somehow means he is telling the truth and those of us who see him for what he is (a crazy, yet entertaining, fear mongerer) are the ones who need psychiatrists? On the contrary, I think he at the least needs some blood pressure meds before he pops a vein during a rant.

And how exactly is it you think he affords to give out his movies so cheap, or free even? You think he's losing money somehow in doing so? Think again, he gets paid very well for what he does or he wouldn't be giving it away. Reminds me of O'Reilly telling people that all the proceeds from his books go to a charity, the name of which slips my mind at the moment, and that for each copy bought he donates a copy to the troops overseas. So by your logic, O'Reilly must be telling the complete truth all the time and isn't in it for the money either.

edit: spelling

[edit on 11-5-2009 by Jenna]


Superficial "Google" searches isn't called research. The web is chocked full of disinformation. People know Alex Jones and Lou Dobbs and I'm sure that they are both inundated by tipsters via email/snail mail/telephone etc...

Many of those tipsters are probably honestly attempting to get their story out where general public can see it. Even Glenn Beck serves his purpose.

I'm glad that we have all 3 of them. Each one has the ability to come across as level headed, thoughtful (just as you do) with a, mostly genuine, presentation of some honest information. Alex plays it out to extreme and at least two of his rants should have landed him a permanent slot in electroshock therapy (unless that's deemed torture, of course.)

Three people that seem to make the biggest impact out of 300 Million+ Americans. That's pretty sad. If you are looking for a perfect human to call a savior, you need look no further than the White House.

Seriously, None of us has the time and resources to research every little thing each of them claims. Take the information with a grain of salt. Choose your fights wisely and stand against what you believe is wrong after vetting the information with the time that you can spare researching with reliable sources.

None of your points hold any water. Every human desires help their fellow human; if there's something in it for them (such as higher ratings or bragging rights) so be it. Being high profile they are well aware that if they are exposed as a fraud; their career is over. Let them brag and boost ratings. They are getting the word out.



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 03:55 AM
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May I ask what's wrong with more people waking up the masses?

Lou Dobbs is fairly honest and consistent with what he says. That's what I think.

All of Alex Jones's rants can consider him mentally insane... but I don't blame him for being extremely mad at our satanic leadership.

And lol at thinking the people at the whitehouse are the saviors. You're joking I hope.

I don't think you can make a blanket statement on everyone like that though. Lou Dobbs isn't a fraud. He's disliked by the rest of the mainstream media. In a sense he's shunned by the rest of the people in power.

And I don't think AJ is a disinfo agent. They just don't see him as a threat.

Glenn Beck on the other hand is just a traitor to the conspiracy movement. But yeah, I agree with you on taking them all with a grain of salt.



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 06:42 AM
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No, there is plenty of evidence that military bases and warehouses exist. There is none proving that those military bases or warehouses are FEMA death camps. I've seen the supposed map of the FEMA camps, and have personally been to three of the places they supposedly are. You know what I found? Absolutely nothing but your average military base. The simplest explanation is typically the correct one.

There are several conspiracy theories that I think may hold a shred of truth in them, FEMA camps that have never been proven beyond the existence of military bases is not one of them. The logic involved is so convoluted that it takes a better imagination than the one I have to believe there are death camps all over the country that no one has ever been able to document and prove exist. If they are everywhere as claimed, why is it no one can ever produce any documented evidence of them?

You have actually proved part of my point. He is getting plenty of money from what he does, including from people paying to watch his videos through his site. He isn't some saint giving out the information free out of the goodness of his little heart. He's making enough money from people on his site, and his salary, and all the "money bombs" he runs asking for people to please donate as much as they can so he can "expand" his site. And if you are generous enough to donate $300 he'll even give you a copy of his last three movies for free.
Ask yourself a question, if he wants people to have this information and thinks it's that important, why is it that he is constantly asking for money to see it in the form of donations or paying for his movies? If he were really out there trying to get the information out and money wasn't his goal, why would he not just make the videos free to begin with?



posted on May, 11 2009 @ 06:56 AM
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Yes the internet is full of misinformation, which is why I said critical thinking is necessary. The combination of critical thinking and Google is a powerful tool. And when you go to the sources of his information, the rare times that he tells you where he is getting his information from, he is so far off the mark it isn't even funny. He wants people to research his claims for themselves right? So why is it he doesn't tell you what his sources are? Could it possibly be because he knows that once you do you'll realize how much he had to read into it in order to see a big conspiracy to kill us all off? I'd say so.

Name recognition is not an indication of honesty, integrity, or goodness. Almost everyone knows who Hitler was, does that make him an honest guy? A good guy? Almost everyone knows who Stalin was, does that make him an honest or good guy? By your standards they would have to be, after all people know who they are.

My arguments most certainly do hold water, and plenty of it at that. You said yourself you don't have the time to research everything he claims, yet you somehow take your lack of research to mean he's correct? I made the time to research some of the more outlandish ones, which is why I don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth without researching it for myself. You know what that research leads to? It certainly isn't belief in his claims.

And you're wrong, not every human desires to help other humans. News reports of people being beaten, robbed, murdered, and taken right in front of others and no one even attempting to help are abundant. If every human desired to help others, this wouldn't be the case. And yes he is aware that someone exposing him for the craud he is would be bad for him, which explains why he doesn't tell you what his sources are outright. It explains why you have to do some searching to find anything even related to what he is talking about and figure out for yourself where he could have possibly gotten his information from. It also explains why the few people who have disagreed with him on his show have been called names, bullied, cut off and shouted over.

My question is, how can you believe anything he claims without taking the time to research any of it? How can anyone be that trusting, especially here, that they take someone's word without looking at the information for themselves?



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