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A military is never to be designed to be nation builders, police, statesmen, and are not to be concerned with winning the hearts and minds.
A military is supposed to be a war machine. And that alone is a full plate. And that's been the reason for our Western failure in the ME.
Winning hearts and minds in an occupation is what military strategy then becomes all about in occupations. You build infrastructure, increase education, health and welfare, improve sanitation, provide adequate security, freedom of movement and employment opportunities so that the civilians can create a stable economy that provides a more stable way of life than any guerilla movements or insurgency or reactionary political factions can.
It is ideas like the ones you keep putting forth and things like this incident that resulted in the thread that is winning Islamic converts for Muslims, and driving the immigration of Muslims into Europe to get out of the range of indiscriminately fired American and Israeli munitions and short sighted policies formulated by people who read Von Clauzewitz "War is but a continuation of politics by other means" who are neither adept politicians, strategists or generals and it truly shows in the results they are achieving.
Originally posted by dooper
Just the same, maybe the US should emulate China and let the so-called democracies figure their own * out.
Within a decade, the Taliban/al-Queda type of Islam should be thoroughly spread all through Europe.
And we'll have to have a repeat of centuries past.
This is a pie in the sky goal that is virtually unattainable. Afghanistan doesn't even have a basic road structure; most villagers use wadis or goat paths to travel between villages.
Afghanistan is one of the most desolate places on earth. You need to ask yourself why they have not developed more on their own.
What you are proposing would take several generations and hundreds of billions of dollars - and that is in a stable, war-free country.
The Taliban keep the people stuck in a stone-age mentality and atmosphere. That makes them easier to control. The locals know no better; that is all they have ever known.
Why go to Europe? Why not Libya, Syria, Iran, Egypt, or Saudi Arabia? Or some other mideastern country, where they would fit into the existing culture so much easier?
Taleban fighters have been using deadly white phosphorus munitions, some of them manufactured in Britain, to attack Western forces in Afghanistan, according to previously classified United States documents released yesterday
The Romans did not pull any punches, and dealt with their conquests most harshly. Once they crushed all opposition, they did in fact extend citizenship, sent in military governors to oversea the transition, and ruled.
Ghengis did the same thing. He absolutely crushed his foes first, then set up his organization. But his military arm was long gone and engaged in other conquests.
A military is designed, by definition, to be a war machine. Always has, always will.
Your Corps of Engineers did well. So?
It sure as hell wasn't the First Marine Division that dug that canal, it it certainly wasn't the First Cav.
Once a military has defeated a country, enemy, or people, they are (according to all successful military leaders over the millennia) supposed to egress right the hell out.
To maintain freedom of movement.
There's always someone else that needs shooting.
And you don't tie your military down performing non-military tasks, which would preclude your from action as needed.
You need police? Get police.
You need administrators. Get Administrators.
You need politicians? No one ever needs politicians, but you get the idea.
A military is supposed to be a unique, small, effective means of destruction, either in defense, or when you have them on the run, offense.
This modern bastardization of concepts is exactly why we haven't won a single war since the creation of the Joint Chiefs.
Too many useless, counterproductive tasks.
And our damned useless generals allow it.
To our detriment.
(AP) Officials say teams of suicide bombers and insurgents attacked two government buildings in eastern Afghanistan, sparking running gun battles in a major Afghan city.
Armed insurgents took government workers hostage and ambushed an American quick reaction force, wounding one U.S. soldier.
Officials say at least four security forces, two civilians and an unknown number of militants died in the attack in an eastern Khost city that raged for hours. A doctor said bodies lay in the street that medical workers couldn't reach because of the fighting.
About 30 fighters wearing suicide vests and using AK-47s and grenades, have attacked government buildings in the Afghan city of Khost, a Taliban spokesman has said.
All roads in and out of the provincial capital of southeastern Khost province were closed on Tuesday as the fighting continued to rage.
At least four soldiers and two civilians were killed in the attacks, with another 13 people injured.
The unnamed spokesman said that Khost had been targeted because of the heavy US military presence there.