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Man was made in God's image in the Genesis account of Creation. That means any emotions we have God had first. Including anger and jealousy. Things need opposites to have meaning. Good could not be good without evil. Anger would mean nothing if there was no calm.
Do you by chance channel or anything along those lines? I'm not trying to make fun of you or anything if you do I'm just curious.
This ultimate Union w/ God, this Oneness w/ the Son, Spirit, and Father is the ultimate goal. It is a direct experience, not words you read, but a reality that you will know directly. Everything else is Dogma, arguing, everyone thinks their theology is right. But those who experience these realities just sit back and laugh watching the circus act of religion.
And I never recieved an answer to my question with the denominations of Christianity... I'm very curious as to what you would have to say about that.
Originally posted by dominicus
For me it was simply 14 months of Bible study, the getting baptized, then undergoing the divine mysteries of God. I got the baptism of the Holy Spirit who indwelled me, from that came ego death, was blinded by the light like Paul on the way to damscus, or when Jesus says, "when thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light"
Then underwent the dark night of the soul, and then the beginning stages of Union with God, theosis, or deification as the eastern orthodoxy likes to put it.
Words in the Bible are simply pointers, that point you into the direct experience of God. Would you rather be reading about God, which leads to the mind thinking about it and creating more thoughts, or would you rather be experiencing God, the Spirit, and Jesus directly???
So you can either get wrapped up in words/mind, or you can experience these things directly beyond words.
The Christian path strips away all the false masks, the ego, the personality, the mind, so whats left is the direct experiencing of God. As Paul said, "I die to myself daily" To take up ur cross is to let all these false masks die and then you will experience the divine.
Besides that, in the OT "God" gave Moses 10 commandments, one of which was "Do not kill" then orders Moses to kill all these armies, their women, and their children. I dont agree with that. I think God was used as an excuse for ethnic cleansing by the Jewish armies. Don't kill but then kill them......
If you research this topic of the OT God not being the same as the NT God you will see that there was a number of CHristian groups who believed this, though mostly Gnostics, they still baptized each other and still received the Holy Spirit. How do I know??? Because only those with the Spirit would love others, selflessly give to others, and write and say some of the things they wrote and said.
This ultimate Union w/ God, this Oneness w/ the Son, Spirit, and Father is the ultimate goal. It is a direct experience, not words you read, but a reality that you will know directly.
Everything else is Dogma, arguing, everyone thinks their theology is right. But those who experience these realities just sit back and laugh watching the circus act of religion.
You know, it may be possible for people to experience the mysteries in various ways, because like John the Baptist said "man can only receive what is given him from heaven" and the mysteries are many but there is only one true Spirit and it would not teach one person one thing and someone else something completely contrary; OT God not the same as NT God.
God lays claim to the title of Wonderful Counselor in the OT - and Jesus himself stated that his teachings and words were not his own but the Father's. He also stated that when the Counselor comes it not only teaches us all things but as it teaches it brings to mind the teachings of Jesus and this is so we have clear understandings of how the mysteries work. God himself said in the OT, that eventually we all will be taught by him - this becomes a reality through Jesus, the Son.
Jesus spoke in the Gospels with the exact same authoritative tone, as did the God of the OT - which spoke through the prophets. The ultimate union is with God - the God of the Old Testament in the Spiritual Holy of Holies.
Words in the Bible are not simply "pointers" they and especially the Book of John are actual templates to many of the mysteries.
The OT God says it's the heritage of his people to refute tongues - and I think I've just went above and beyond what was called for to do just that.
Originally posted by dominicus
You haven't gone above and beyond anything. None of what you say matters when God exists everywhere and inside of everybody and everything is beyond words. God doesn't sit there and concern him/her/itself with who's right and who's wrong.
If im wrong and OT and NT is the same God, I dont fear hell, blasphemy, heretic-ism because I Love God and experience God and have this as my reality. These OT stories are the perspectives of the authors from limited perspectives from different stages of Enlightenment. They are not necessarily directly from God's perspective because to write from God's perspective you have to include every angle even that of an ant, atom, string, dust etc.
None of what you wrote changes anything. You still have large groups of early Christians who also believed the OT God was false and the God Jesus represented was truth. You have many modern people leaning that way, and I myself aren't the only one in this category.
Your thread title states that the OT God is not the God of the NT and basically that is all you have offered up as to why you think this way. It's only your idea that Jesus' God wouldn't flood the earth or make war and conquer people (through Moses and others). There is absolutely nothing to suggest they are not the same and multiple things to suggest they are.
The God of the OT flooded the earth. The Son came and acknowledged the event and likens the end of days, to the days of Noah.
Jesus cleansed lepers and sent them to the OT God's temple to offer sacrifice.
And Jesus himself got a whip of sorts and chased out buyers and sellers from the Old Temple, and stated that is HIS Father's house and it is to be a place of prayer.
Everything God did in the OT laid the foundation for things to be done on earth as in heaven - Jesus came to show the way to the new Spiritual temple.
I'm a sinner and I had been a real bad girl, knew it, repented for about the same amount of time you studied and was shown great mercy.
One more thing - God does concern Himself with who is right and who is wrong - it's called making righteous judgements.
Originally posted by dominicus
DO you know God personally and have Union with God which allows you to experience God's concern in these things? Or is this a product of the mind?
Since it is Jesus himself, as the Son of Man, who lives in us through the Holy Spirit it just boggles my brain that "this" is what you bring to the board. I realize along with everyone else that Jesus doesn't give to us as the world does - but the Father will give to us, the desires of our hearts, as long as it is his will for us to receive these things.
Marcion started his own brand of Christianity called Christian Gnosticism that completely rejected the OT in total and even some parts of the NT. The bad god-let of the OT is known as a demiurge and is the enemy of the True God of Gnostics.
If fact, the true meanings are hid from the world and appear as mere foolishness to the lost. That is, except for all the meanings concerning salvation. These scriptures are revealed to everyone alike and are made for us to understand.
Are you absolutely positive that aliens that we picture today are actually demons and evil spirits?