The Missing Link: Secret findings regarding Human Evolution to be released, page 1
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Topic started on 10-5-2009 @ 02:01 AM by zazzafrazz
Now where would be if there wasn't a new 'missing link' claim every few years. There are 'gaps' where we are unable to class the missing adaptions and transitions that led to present humans.
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Did hominoids evolve from Adapids. This is a 'missing link' argument in scientific circles regarding our development
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A super secret film is being made by legendary documentary maker Sir Richard Attenborough. Based on research headed by the President of the US Paleontological Society of a 37million year old Adapid.

A fossil found in Germany that is similar to but NOT a lemur is speculated to be the 'Missing link'. The small primate (adapid) is believed to have evolved into monkeys, apes and human beings.

Pro creationalists have yet to present the 'creation' skull or skeleton and this is the unfortunate bi product when you believe that Homo Sapiens were 'created' rather than evolved. Paleontological remains of hominoids have been able to time and again map the hominoid development tree, admittedly not finished yet (or for some time) but its is filling up.

The remains of a 1 year old female featured in Attenboroughs doco highlights that more and more intermediary adaptations are found and never has one 'original man/woman' been found.
The interest in this latest find in Germany is that scientists may be able to settle the argument as to where humans have evolved from:


‘I examined this skeleton. It is exceptionally complete and it is well-dated. We have kept it under wraps because you can’t blither about something until you understand it. We now understand it. It is going to advance our knowledge of evolution.’
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Will this show definitively how humans evolved? How will Intelligent Design be able to claim the 'design' of modern homosapiens. Evolution defines the process of reproduction with adaptations, not the creation of life and will the skeleton support this?


Roger Thomas, secretary of the US Paleontological Society, said: ‘According to one group of thought, we are descended from the same primates as lemurs. Another argument is that hominids evolved from another small primate, the tarsiidae.’
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To understand ID, I have linked the following article, as a summary, they believe that change in evolution came from 'god direction' not biological evolvement as Darwin's theory propagates.

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Is there a better explanation? Based upon our uniform experience, we know of only one type of cause that produces irreducibly complex systems – namely, intelligence. Indeed, whenever we encounter such complex systems – whether integrated circuits or internal combustion engines – and we know how they arose, invariably a designing intelligence played a role.


I suppose I am trying to grasp, do ID believers say that god touched every creature to instigate the change each time? and that oxygen, weather, food etc had nothing to do with it? As an example, the biological changes of modern Humans, such as fair hair in the north, and dark skin in the sunny south were 'touch and designed' and not a biological reaction?

I've never engaged in a debate on ID versus Evolution but this new find has got me thinking:
How can Evolutionists keep filling in the 'gaps' (there are still more to go), but the scientific evidence is simply ignored by ID believers?

Admittedly we are yet to see if this animal had features which link indirectly to higher primates, such as dry v wet nose, nails v claws, 4 incisor teeth in each jaw approximating to each other the midline, long foliate canines separated from the incisors by a diastema and blunt molars.

The secrecy and money involved in its 'unveiling' lead me to think they must think they are on to a sure thing, particularly as this is Sir R A's last doco and his lifelong work and reputation count on it, so I wait in anticipation.




reply posted on 10-5-2009 @ 06:42 AM by Welfhard
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Attenborough is awesome, it's astonishing how much he has contributed to the arts in his life time and he's not slowing.

Although I wasn't ever aware of a real missing link, just claimed ones. The Human evolutionary tree is more of a thicket, with many different species spotted all around it. It's hard to say exactly 'where' the hypothetical missing link is supposed to be and where the corresponding gap is. As we discover more, the distances between species gets ever smaller as we put more into the thicket. No one ever says "Where is the missing link between [insert species] and [insert vastly different species]?" The just say "Where is the missing link?" and appear to have no idea what they are talking about.

Edit: Whoops, I forgot to star and flag you there. ^_^

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reply posted on 10-5-2009 @ 04:18 PM by zazzafrazz
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LOL! no as I quoted the researchers involved. they have DEFN kept it secret, as they felt it was worth researching first rather than laying claim immediatley to their findings, which makes a nice change quite frankly. That said, I do belive the super secret part is just some good marketing on the producers part, and they possibly funded the research and got them to sign a non disclosure clause, so they can make it quite a dramatic film release. This is pure speculation on my behalf, but knowing personally how these things work, I'd say Im close to on the money.


reply posted on 10-5-2009 @ 06:21 PM by zazzafrazz
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Interesting
Darwins Resin, though my latin is poor nowadays, I must say, I'm assuming the latin for Mastik, from Latin mastichum, but I'm likely wrong as I haven't read Latin in too many years.
From what I'm poorly intepreting its the Darwins ' resin' or glue that sticking the pieces together?




Edit poor spelling as well as poor latin


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reply posted on 10-5-2009 @ 06:57 PM by zazzafrazz
Originally posted by Gawdzilla
Originally posted by WelfhardSshhhhh. Don't provoke them, unnecessarily. This is a cool thread, I don't want to explain 10 times over a matter of pages that abiogenesis is not part of evolutionary theory.


You don't have those responses in a file for copy-and-paste by now? You have already noted, I think, that every single point has to be explained every single time? That's because everyone of them comes storming in with the Banner of the Cross held high, sure they're going to save Christianity from the infidels.



LOL! cut and pasting Ill have to create a file for 'standard responses' thanks for the tip.
Interestingly the Catholic Church (largest christian group) has come out to say the creationsim shouldnt be taken literally. And that faith and scientific evolution can coexist.



The position of the Catholic Church on the theory of evolution has moved over the last two centuries from a large period of no official mention, to a statement of neutrality in the 1950s, to a more explicit acceptance in recent years. Today
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, the official Church's position remains a focus of controversy and is fairly non-specific, stating only that faith and scientific findings regarding human evolution are not in conflict, though humans are regarded as a "special creation", and that the existence of God is required to explain the spiritual component of human origins. This view falls into the spectrum of viewpoints that are grouped under the concept of theistic evolution.[1][2]


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reply posted on 10-5-2009 @ 07:12 PM by zazzafrazz
Originally posted by Welfhard
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Although I wasn't ever aware of a real missing link, just claimed ones. The Human evolutionary tree is more of a thicket, with many different species spotted all around it.
[edit on 10-5-2009 by Welfhard]


Thanks for your responces Welfhard, I am aware that ID'ers will possibly jump on this thread, but I'm just excited about the discovery. I'm not sure they will though, for me its a sensationalist thread title, but I didn't do "GOD is FALSE, man is from MonkeyPROVEN!" thread title so it may not grab anyones attention

But keeping it to the find, you right, it's never been in my mind 'one missing link' and as I stated there will be many more links to fill in and that will take past my lifetime I dare say.

This creature may unstick where scientists have been stuck on whether the hominoid primate was the lemur or tarside, and so not 'the missing link' but a important one, none the less.

Other research on ape remains has done just the opposite, we have taken out a ape from human ancestry recently, which shows just as you say how compex the tree is.



Ancient remains, once thought to be a key link in the evolution of mankind, have now been shown to be 400,000 years too young to be a part of mans family tree. The remains of the apeman, dubbed Little Foot, were discovered in a cave complex at Sterkfontein by a local South African team in 1997. Its bones preserved in sediment layers, it is the most complete hominid fossil skeleton ever found. Little Foot is of the genus Australopithecus, thought by some to be part of the ancestral line which led directly to man. But research by Dr Jo Walker and Dr Bob Cliff of the University of Leeds School of Earth and Environment, with Dr Alf Latham of Liverpool University's School of Archaeology, Classics and Egyptology, shows the remains are more than a million years younger than earlier estimates.


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