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Originally posted by - G -
You contradicted yourself, I didn't?
Originally posted by Esoterica
Has anybody who posted in his thread actually been in the military, because it smells like a bunch of hippie bull# being thrown around.
However, I do know you can file for conscientious objector status. What you have to do is prove that for your life, you have been a pacifist (so a police report of you getting into a bar fight isn't going to help ). It's hard to get, but possible. Once you have one of those, you'll work in a non-combat position (cook, clerk, etc...).
Also, remember, not everyone in the military fights. For every pilot in an aircraft, there's a bunch of guys on the ground keeping that plane working. For every soldier on the front lines, there's more working the supply lines.
In World War II, only 1 out of every 5 US soldiers actually saw combat. The military is an organism, not an unbridled killing machine. Somebody has to keep the bullets getting to the front lines, someone has to make sure the orders get through, and somebody has to make sure the boys up front have enough food to eat.
Originally posted by dz
Originally posted by - G -
You contradicted yourself, I didn't?
You are rather slow. If you can't make the connections, I can't help that. I have proved my point several times.
There is a such thing as living a life of peace and knowing when you need to defend yourself. It's not contradicting; it's a fact of life.
Originally posted by - G -
Listen Mr. Lover and not a fighter. . . you started this thread in the Mud Pit Forum, and since you choose to start it here that is what I did, started throwing some mud, seeing if I could get you "fired-up." I SUCCEEDED!
Originally posted by - G -
As to who is slow, it seems that I must now give you a lesson in vocabulary;
Contradict - To assert or express the opposite of (a statement).
Contradict - To be contrary to; be inconsistent with.
No where in there do I see anything along the lines of making two seperate statements, in two seperate post as to being "a fact of life." That my fiend is called contradiction!
Originally posted by browha
You can file for a non-combatant position.
Alternatively, if you're worried about not being allowed this, volunteer if you're 100% sure the draft will be instated. At least that way you'll have training to a higher standard than the draftees and you'll be in a position to pick the job of your choice.
Or join NASA, or make yourself indespensible at a company that helps with the army/etc.
Do not fear Anyway, I only think a small number of the draftees will be sent to war
Originally posted by browha
I'm confident they wouldnt, but not entirely sure.
Perhaps ask at your local recruiting office or something?
Technically a company can ask for you to be 'passed-over' by the draft if you are important to them..
Originally posted by Esoterica
Has anybody who posted in his thread actually been in the military, because it smells like a bunch of hippie bull# being thrown around.
In 2004, $28 million was added to the SSS budget in anticipation for another possible military draft. On March 31, 2005, the SSS must report to President Bush that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation.
Originally posted by Cappa
Originally posted by Esoterica
Has anybody who posted in his thread actually been in the military, because it smells like a bunch of hippie bull# being thrown around.
I am in the military, and I will tell you this.
First of all, Congress has approved an additional $28 million dollars for the Selective Service's budget. You do realize what that means, everyone, don't you? Selective Service normally does little more than register numbers for when people turn 18, and/or when someone registers to vote or join the military. Aside from that, they are in charge of calling those numbers in the event of a draft. So prepare, if you are able-bodied, the draft is coming for you within the next few years.
A little evidence :
In 2004, $28 million was added to the SSS budget in anticipation for another possible military draft. On March 31, 2005, the SSS must report to President Bush that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation.
From here
March 31st is right around the corner. We may hear nothing, we may hear dire news. Your best bet, if you are fearful of getting drafted, is to (ack!) join early, before the draft. Bush has worked out a deal with Canada to, in the event of a draft, disallow U.S. draft-dodgers to cross over into Canada to escape. Also, there's no escaping by way of running off to college-- that won't work anymore.
IF you get drafted, expect the MOS' that are the bottom of the barrell, i.e. Infantry, Indirect Fire Infantry, Combat Engineers (testing mines), and whatever other jobs that volunteers don't want.
Originally posted by curme
Hey dz, I have been through two boot camps, the Navy's and the Army's. It's not like the movies. They won't hit you or make you do anything stupid. Don't listen to the wannabe's who have never served. That said, in the Army, there is a MOS, a job, called Chaplain's Assistant. You basically are a priests, pastors, rabbis, or cleric's assistant. The military has many Chaplain's. It's just a spiritual job. You don't have to be Jewish to be a Rabbi's assistant, for example. But since a Chaplain can't carry arms, you are also his body guard as well. Just something to think about.
Originally posted by dz
I just have a bunch of questions that maybe some of you could help me with.
If they do the draft and I were to get drafted, would I be able to request not having to kill anyone? I understand by living in this country I might have to serve my time (although I dont agree with it), but I also have morals and do not want to kill a fellow man.
Also, are they allowed to touch you in bootcamp? For example, they tell me to get up at 5 am and I don't really care, so get up at 7. They tell me to stand up straight and I don't care. Can they grab me and push me around, or punch me or anythin?
I say this because if they can't, than what're they going to do if they draft me and I just don't listen. I'll go to boot camp and do all that. I did cross country and track all through high school/junior high, so I'm more than in shape. But as far as listening, if I don't want to be there, I won't be doing what they expect me to do. They can scream all they want in my face; it's not gonna change much.
I guess I just wanna know how far they can go to make you do what they want you to do.
Originally posted by jsobecky
Kid, put a skirt on and go live in Canada. I wouldn't trust a limpwrist spoiled little brat like you with a rifle in his hand anyway.