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Rape Victim Billed For Evidence Costs

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posted on May, 8 2009 @ 08:12 PM
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What will be even more disturbing is the amount of victims refusing to get help for fear of being billed.




posted on May, 8 2009 @ 09:26 PM
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Originally posted by CoffinFeeder
its teh same fo rguys. sorry, heres your equal rights. welcome to them.


Maybe better said to be another argument for universal health care. Certainly the state should cover the cost. Period.



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 09:51 PM
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Originally posted by Asherah
What will be even more disturbing is the amount of victims refusing to get help for fear of being billed.


That's already happening and has been for a long time. If you think about it they say few women actually report getting raped. Now they always talk about younger women or poverty stricken women not reporting it because their ashamed blah blah blah, I find that hard to believe most women in true poverty can not afford to be paying anything but their cost of living.

Of course they feel ashamed and violated and because of that they are not going to go around asking people they know to pay for a rape kit for them or the examination because I'm sure it's due to the illogical feelings they are feeling at the time. Heck any woman asked me to do that I would in a second no problem. But their not going to ask. I know a few women in this situation and of course I find out about it through the grape vine a day late and dollar short.



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 10:06 PM
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As a person that has been on the receiving end of a violence, 48 stitches, just to close up the wound, I know that the hospital asked me for my insurance info, I gave it and was told the insurers will pick up the brunt but that I was on the hook for the deductible.
The way law here in Florida works is that the victim of a violent crime ( and rape is a violent crime) will have either the state or the insurance compaany pay or obfuscate the deductible.
That being said, I have had my credit ravaged by this one medical bill. The state made me appear in court to explain my impact from the crime amd at the time I said I was OK financially, little did I know what was down the road.
I ended up getting a grand total of ONE check from the perp for $8.00, after he had spent 9 years in prison. That was supposed to fix me. Right.



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 10:18 PM
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Originally posted by CoffinFeeder
You know, I'm sure you ladies aren't going to like this, but this does not declare open season on raped women, cause men to kill babies, or whatnot.. while most can empathize with your plight, at the same time, you're getting ready to charge a person with rape, a rather serious crime. The cost of mounting evidence against them should be on you. sorry.


No, it's the DA that 'charges'. The victim 'accuses'.

Who should pay? The perp.



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 10:33 PM
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This is a classic example of being guilty untill proved inocent. Never forget the "evidence" is only as good as the lab techs who take the evidenice, the qualty of the controls they run etc. When ever I hear those magic words "DNA evidence" I have to ask what quality and control protocols apply. Trust me when I say lab techs can get tired, they can get sloppy. The pathetic portion of determining guilt or innocince will crumble like a house of cards.



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 11:20 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Over 800 bases(not including those in Iraq) in over 140 countries

Basically, you are funding imperialism


Not really, rather we are funding the rich with Socialist programs.

The U.S. is not as Capitalistic as it used to be. For crying outloud the president of the U.S. is telling GM what cars to built, and fires people from GM...

Since when is it the job of the president to fire people from private companies and to tell private companies what to do?.... Only in Socialist states does this happen.

Anyway, as to this topic, this is crazy, those who rape women should be the ones paying for these women's bills.

Even if they do just one rape, these people, as well as pedophiliacs, should be working to pay for what they have done, and not just to the women/children they have raped, but they should be paying for their whole lives to all women and children who are abused, and raped by other bastards as them, otherwise it is a good time to bring back the guillotine for these bastards.






[edit on 8-5-2009 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on May, 9 2009 @ 12:23 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Not really, rather we are funding the rich with Socialist programs.

The U.S. is not as Capitalistic as it used to be. For crying outloud the president of the U.S. is telling GM what cars to built, and fires people from GM...

Since when is it the job of the president to fire people from private companies and to tell private companies what to do?.... Only in Socialist states does this happen.








You still call GM a private company after the taxpayers bailed them out?
www.thetruthaboutcars.com...

Someone needs to tell GM what cars to build and who is hired and fired as they did a pisspoor job of doing it themselves.

I feel sorry for the workers but GM should have gone down.

Topic....Rape victims should not have to pay for the rapekit. Charging the victim sounds like something Palin would do.....oh yeah, she did.



posted on May, 9 2009 @ 12:26 AM
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Originally posted by LAUGHING-CAT
As a person that has been on the receiving end of a violence, 48 stitches, just to close up the wound, I know that the hospital asked me for my insurance info, I gave it and was told the insurers will pick up the brunt but that I was on the hook for the deductible.
The way law here in Florida works is that the victim of a violent crime ( and rape is a violent crime) will have either the state or the insurance compaany pay or obfuscate the deductible.
That being said, I have had my credit ravaged by this one medical bill. The state made me appear in court to explain my impact from the crime amd at the time I said I was OK financially, little did I know what was down the road.
I ended up getting a grand total of ONE check from the perp for $8.00, after he had spent 9 years in prison. That was supposed to fix me. Right.


I dont get it. Why are you billed only after 9 years? Shouldnt it be after the crime? At least he spent 9 years in prison


The billing is absurd. Why should you be billed if you are a victim? If you are killed and you are in poverty, are you going to rise from the dead and pay the undertakers



posted on May, 9 2009 @ 12:42 AM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia



Firstly didn't know Rape was that common in Houston, secondly even more that they have to pay for it.

www.click2houston.com
(visit the link for the full news article)


I'm near Houston and this got me to wondering. " How many rapes in the Houston area last year?

I googled and searched but couldn't find a real number. I did find a statistic of 33 per 100000 and a population for the Baytown/Houston/Sugarland area which varies according to source. It comes out somewhere around 1800 rapes for the greater Houston area in 2008. That's nearly 5 rapes a day. (reported rapes)


Houston is the 4th largest city in the US. It is rated 43rd in percentage of crime. This means that there are 42 cities in the US where the per capita rate of crime is actually higher.

One thing that people should understand is that the US legal system is not designed to protect the citizens. It is only intended to "Keep the peace." As long as the powers that be maintain control then they don't need to care care about the actual victims.

This is the way society goes when common sense is thrown out the window and the law is designed to protect the guilty and keep the rest of us quiet.


Other article on this issue.

health.usnews.com...



posted on May, 9 2009 @ 01:57 AM
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Rape victims absolutely should not be billed for any rape kits, nor should they have to pay for any medical bills associated with their trauma. Am I surprised this is happening? Not at all.

I was imprisoned and rape approximately 15 years ago. After my third escape attempt, I finally got away, outran the perpetrator, and got to safety. Police were called. It was 4 a.m., I no cash on me, and couldn't see because when I escaped, I wasn't wearing my glasses.

The police asked me if I needed to go to the hospital. I was pretty much in shock...think I told them I was okay physically except for some bruises. I didn't even think about a rape kit or that pictures needed to be taken. I couldn't think about anything. Later I figured because I wasn't raped vaginally the police must not have thought I needed any kind of medical care.

Besides that, they didn't even want to take me home. I had just moved to the city two days prior, had no credit cards or cash, had just been raped and traumatized, was soaking wet from the rain, and they wanted to just leave me standing on street in the middle of the night.

Seriously, the female police officer told me it was against procedure for them to take me home. I started sobbing and begged them to help me. I guess they felt sorry for me and took me home.

I told them the man who raped me knew where I lived and knew my phone number, but they said there was nothing they could do.

The next day when I spoke with the detectives, after questioning me they were asking me all kinds of questions about the man who raped me...did he have a girlfriend, had he ever done this to anyone else before, etc? I told them I didn't know and they wanted me to find out. I told them I had no intention to try to investigate this man...that it was their responsibility to do that.

To make a long story short, the grand jury didn't indict him. The detectives had already told me it was unlikely they would because it was basically his word against mine. They asked me why I wasn't taken to the hospital, examined, and photographed. I told them I didn't know why the police didn't take me. I just didn't have a clear enough mind after what I had been through to think about anything.

Anyway, even if they would have taken me to the hospital, I certainly would have expected the state victims' crime fund and/or the police to pay for a rape kit. Whether or not they would have, I don't know.

I do believe that anyone convicted of rape should have to do more than serve time. I think they should also have to reimburse the victims for any out-of-pocket expenses associated with them being traumatized (such as counseling, hospital expenses, salary lost from having to be off work because of injury/court dates, etc.)

The man who raped my sister never had to pay her a dime for expenses she incurred because of the rape although she did receive some assistance from the state victims' crime fund. The man who raped her also raped 12 other women. He served about 6 1/2 years in prison...or approximately 6 months per each woman he raped. That makes me as furious as finding out that rape victims are being billed for their rape kits!



posted on May, 9 2009 @ 03:29 AM
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Sadly, your story seems to be the way things typically get conducted. It sure ain't liked CSI on TV. It is like the cops really don't care.

Pay for your own rape kit, now that is harsh.



posted on May, 9 2009 @ 04:34 AM
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I'm saddened to hear of this terrible state of affairs in the US. In the UK we already know there is no point in reporting rape or sexual assault as the court virtually always lets the defendant go. When it's the case of the word of a woman against a man, the man is always telling the truth, isn't he?

Anyway, we are entering a world of NO moral standards at all and just a world of survival.
We are entering the 'Soylent Green' world where dog eats dog, or human eats human just to survive!

So, a crime like rape is not going to be on the top of anyone in power's list of 'sort it' problems.

We may well, in a few years, look back at the world today and think how lucky we were that rape was even a crime in the first place never mind having to pay for test kits.

The world is a MESS!

Can't see anyone rushing in to sort it out anytime soon either!



posted on May, 9 2009 @ 08:31 AM
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How sad that in 2009 peoples attitudes toward the crime of rape are still stuck back in the 1800's. Rape is not about sex, it is about control, sex is the vehicle of said control. Yet today as always we see this as a sexual thing. What were you wearing, did you act provocatively, were you drinking, did you give him a come on, why were you alone with him, and the list of stupid questions goes on and on. Sad, but true, it is not just men that take this attitude.

Here in NY we have Victims Assistance that takes care of these things, they provide victims with rides to court, help to navigate the system and in most cases the local rape crisis center will assign a counselor to a woman if she is interested. Say what you want about NY, but in some things we are blessed.

Rape can and does kill the spirit of a woman. It can make a woman hate her own beauty and femininity and often hate herself. The effects of rape can last years and even an entire lifetime. It is something that takes all feelings of safety and security away and can leave a woman living a life of pure terror. Even making love to the man in her life, can suddenly bring the fear and horror of the rape right back like it just happened. Sadly too much shame is still associated with this crime and women often feel like, and are viewed as damaged goods.

This policy of charging rape victims for the very evidence gathering that can convict their rapist is past outrageous. Please remember, that rapists rarely offend one time! For every rape that is reported, we know how many aren't. Every time a rapist gets a free pass they are emboldened to do it again. Your mother, wife, sister or niece could be next.

It seems to me this should be an issue that the Federal Government should address. It should be mandatory that Victims Assistance funding is used in this way. When we still see women living in poverty at alarming rates as compared to men, women being paid far less than a man for the same work, and having to work twice as hard to get the same recognition we see how far we have to go.

Coffin whoever you are, your remarks were very insulting and cruel. It is always a bit different when rape happens to a woman. Male on male rape happens quite often and is also far under reported. Next time you make disparaging remarks about the crime of rape, think of the movie deliverance. Pretty horrible isn't it.....then imagine going through the humiliation of a cavity search and swab, then being told you have to come out of your pocket! Rape is demeaning and dehumanizing no matter the gender of the victim. Please check yourself!

[edit on 5/9/2009 by redhead57]



posted on May, 9 2009 @ 09:35 AM
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The oldest conspiracy known to humanity?

The conspiracy against women (and children).

I know a woman who was regularly beaten by her male partner. One occasion, he caused an injury to her back and she had to visit the hospital. As she wanted to be sure to receive appropriate treatment, she told the doctor the truth about what happened to her. The hospital called the police and the man was arrested but not charged (the injury was deemed minor and not worthy of prosecution). A few months later, the man again attacked the woman and she fougt back. He called the police and although he sustained NO INJURY, the woman is being charged!



posted on May, 9 2009 @ 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by teapot
I know a woman who was regularly beaten by her male partner. One occasion, he caused an injury to her back and she had to visit the hospital. As she wanted to be sure to receive appropriate treatment, she told the doctor the truth about what happened to her. The hospital called the police and the man was arrested but not charged (the injury was deemed minor and not worthy of prosecution). A few months later, the man again attacked the woman and she fougt back. He called the police and although he sustained NO INJURY, the woman is being charged!


Twisted justice?

Time an again I see stories like the above and can't help but wonder why do women who are victims of domestic violence and abuse, report such to the authorities yet far too often return to the very home and perpetrator knowing that it will likely happen again.

The laws and police can do only so much, they cannot always save someone from themself.

[edit on 9-5-2009 by Walkswithfish]



posted on May, 9 2009 @ 10:11 AM
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It's bad enough that most women are too afraid to report to the police that they had been raped, this B.S makes it even harder for them. I know a few rape victims that won't go to the police no matter how much they have been pleaded to do so. When I asked why, the response was usually similar. They believe that no one will believe them, that it doesn't matter cause they won't catch the guy and even if they did, they'd just let him go anyway. I have heard that rapists often put this stuff into their heads too. They are told that if they tell anyone, they'll die, or no one would believe them, or if you tell anyone, everyone will think you a slut because you are. I've heard some pretty horrible stories on what a rape victim experiences. But this could make it worse for potential victims, because now they have made a little bit easier for a rapist. Just like in everything else, the wrong people are in charge making all these important decisions.



posted on May, 9 2009 @ 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Not really, rather we are funding the rich with Socialist programs.

The U.S. is not as Capitalistic as it used to be. For crying outloud the president of the U.S. is telling GM what cars to built, and fires people from GM...

Since when is it the job of the president to fire people from private companies and to tell private companies what to do?.... Only in Socialist states does this happen.


That's propoganda you are supporting there bud

Media saying it's socialism is just a soft blow so people don't call it what it is before the media does, it's economic fascism.

Socialism is about govt. taking over alot yes, but it's also about the redistribution of wealth, which Obama does.

But socialism is for the redistribution of wealth to the people and into the pockets of politicians, lobbyists and war mongerers. That's called economic fascism.

Don't support the propoganda man!



posted on May, 9 2009 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by CoffinFeeder
you're getting ready to charge a person with rape, a rather serious crime. The cost of mounting evidence against them should be on you. sorry.


Oh really? So if you and or your family get shot up during an armed robbery, or suffer a break in that leads to a multiple murder, you should be prepared to pay for all of the bullistics testing and dna analysis right?

You should fork out the cash to have crime scene investigators on site collecting evidence and you should probably ALSO pay the prosecutors who try the case right? Wow...that policy would fix the prison overpopulation problem darn quick! Think of all the money we could save when the prisons emptied out!



posted on May, 9 2009 @ 10:52 AM
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this is insanity.
if you're a victim of a break-in or your car is stolen, you aren't charged to process fingerprints or other evidence.
rape victims don't charge a person with the crime, it's the prosecutors job to make that decision.
and as for the inane comment about equal rights...smh



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