The chicken or the egg? My thoughts..., page 2

Originally posted by impaired
Not to put words in your mouth, but this "god" you're talking about isn't the Abrahamic God from the Old Testament of the bible, is it - or any other God or gods from a religion?
I believe you are talking about just pure conciousness - genderless and non judgemental?

Edit to add: I love Jesus and his messages, but I just think he was ET or rather 1/2 ET...

I hope we aren't about to clash, but it's all in goodness.

Confrontation brings about understanding. Nothing I say should be accepted as fact. For anyone knows, I could just be a great BS'r and feeding you full of crap. If what I say makes sense and is understandable, then great. But I'd rather someone disagreed with me, rather than them accepting what I say is true.

I don't belong to any religion, and I'm not promoting any religion. I think organized religion is in itself a bad thing. It teaches and tells people what to accept, rather than how to understand things.

But in reference to god, I see the abrahamic version of god in the OT to be a mixed bag. Some things I think are of the father, and other things I'm not so sure about. Nothing I say or have gained is from the bible, I seen what I learned in the bible after I learned it.

So this is a rather tricky question. The way I understand the bible is not like the way organized religion see's it. Jesus for example does and says things that I learned for myself. And when Jesus says the father is within him, that I know to be true. Because I recognize the father I know in his words. Jesus is an example of what I was taught to do.

The bible describes events I've experienced for myself as well, and in ways other men have no clue about in general. When I experienced these things, I hated religion even more than I do now. So I was lets just say shocked when I read some of the things I experienced and know in the bible.

But yet, I think christianity as a religion is an "anti-christ" religion. Does many bad things and distorts/manipulates the truth. And oddly enough, Jesus even warns of them.

The way the father(god) taught/teaches me is in understanding. Not in direct words. So like when it comes to Jesus. I was never told - go follow and worship Jesus. In fact, I was shown that people like Jesus are just messengers/tools used to relay a message and understanding. And that it is that message and understanding that is important, not the idol/messenger that brings it. So while I wasn't taught - go follow Jesus. I was taught the path and such for myself. It wasn't until after I learned and understood that I recognized Jesus was talking about these things as well.

But at the same time, I completely reject Paul and half the NT. Where as Jesus shows understanding and is an example of what I was shown to do, Paul is the opposite of that. He does all that I am told not to do.

I am just given the understanding of things, and then I have to try and come up with words to describe them in order to communicate with others. And I find that the bible helps me in doing that. But I see those understandings expressed in many places, and in other religions as well.

So as I understand it, it's generally like this - the times, people, places and cultures may change, but the basic understanding stays the same. Those who focus on the idols rather than the understanding and message they give are those who are blind. They missed the point. Everything Jesus says of himself is true of you, it's just a matter of coming to the understanding.

To worship the idol rather than the message and understanding they bring is like someone bringing you a glass of milk, and rather than drinking the milk you just sit around licking and praising the glass that brought the milk, rather than actually drinking it. And society and such actually kind of forbids the drinking of the milk. For example, Christians speak of a personal relationship with god, but they surely don't allow for it. Apparently to them, a personal relationship with god means he reads the bible to you.

And the reason "they" as in those with power push the idol and such, is to turn Jesus into being everything you are not. And they push him off as being god, and you are not so that one day someone can take his place of being the only god on earth. Only possible among people who do not realize their true self.

Gender isn't important. I refer to god as a he, but that is because I am a he. If someone refers to god as a she, that is quite alright with me. Neither is technically right or wrong.

And the Abraham god is pure consciousness. The true verses about god anyway. For example, when he is called "I AM", that is a reference to being consciousness. And many other references which show him as being consciousness. But he is "literalized" in order to bring understanding. But those without understanding just take it literal, as if he is some man in the clouds.

I believe that where you find wisdom and understanding, that is a sign of the father. Where ever that may be. No religion has a monopoly on the father etc. They may express the understandings different, and personify them in different ways, but the understanding is universal. So when I see a movie like zeitgeist and they start going on about all these others that are alike, I see that as meaning - the truth never changes, but the idols and such change to meet the culture.

So it's a rather loaded question. Yes and no. Yes I understand the abrahamic god and agree a good bit with some of it. And that which I agree with, I agree with on a very deep level. But no I'm not someone who just accepts it as true because the bible says so.

But I am NOT any kind of authority and nothing I say should be taken as fact. There is simply no replacement for a personal relationship with the father. That I can not give you.

Here's an example of what I find so true on a deep level in the OT.

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8All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.

9They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.

10Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.

11For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.

Religions and such teach a god that is separate from us. That is not true, you are him. Here's the verse that first got my interest in the bible after learning.

John 14
20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

As I said before, I am just given understanding. The first thing I said after my vision which started everything was - I am god, and I am arguing with myself. Meaning, all are god, and god is within us all. And when I came to that understanding, I was like - nobody knows!!!! because I never heard anyone say such a thing EVER. And then I come across that bible verse and it's like WOW, that is exactly right! And so now I just quote Jesus to say it, because it sounds a bit better. Most people never got past the "I am god" part to understand what I was saying when I put the understanding in my own words.

But I'm not a big fan of leviticus and such. Back in those days kings and rulers were often called gods, so it's hard to say what parts of the bible are truly about god, and which of them are from things which rulers claimed and forced people to be treated as god. If it disagrees with the understanding I've gotten, then I reject it or put it aside as not understood. If the texts bring no understanding that applies to todays world, then they are useless for that person at the time(but may make sense later).

Everyone should have their own vision. Rather than accepting what people who claim to be authorities say. And again I'm going to quote the bible to show why I stick to it, as it also says exactly this.

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2How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

3Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.

4Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

5They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Notice, it says how long will you accept. And then goes on to talk about how those who accept do not understand. The point is not to accept because the bible or religion says so, but to understand.

And that is universal.

Buddha said -- Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.

Everyone should have their own vision, rather than accepting someone elses.