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Originally posted by glee
MirthfulMe,
Sounds like you are saying racism is alive and well in present day Masonry. How very sad. And although you say that Masonry is blind as to race, it seems to me that it is blind as to racism. Not a brotherly thing, in my book.
Originally posted by Mirthful Me
No, I am not implying that Masonry is racist, only that there are racist people within it (this includes Prince Hall, ATS, and every other possible demographic!) and can have INDIVIDUAL racist tendencies. To proclaim that some utopian expectation of this or any group demonstrates a naivet� that astounds me. To portray any group that is veiled through ignorance as having only malfeasance as its code is truly mind boggling. Visit a Shriners Hospital, and tell me that there is a more noble philanthropy. Within every community there are Masonic supported charities, none of which could be racist.
Originally posted by glee
Ah, but my ex-father-in-law's lodge was racist. At least it sure sounds that way to me.
Originally posted by glee
My ex-father-in-law was a Mason in the Greater Philadelphia area. He once told me that, while he would be welcome at a mixed lodge in the Bahamas, a person of color would not be welcome at his lodge and would be directed to a lodge of the appropriate race.
Is this common in American Masonry? I think his lodge was related to the Scottish branch of Masonry; does that have anything to do with it?
Could a Freemason enlighten me on this?
thanks!
[Edited on 27-4-2004 by glee]
Originally posted by Byrd
Yes, it's true (I know this from some Masons.) Integration of the lodges only took place within the last 30 years and was slower to catch on in the South. It has indeed changed, as has our society.
[Edited on 6-5-2004 by Byrd]
Originally posted by glee
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Does Masonry have a stated policy concerning racism? By Masonry, I mean the recognized, boys-only type of Freemasonry. Would the authorities actively deny recognition to a lodge that publicly avowed segregation? What would happen if a white mason went to a black lodge and was turned away? Could that person complain to the main organization and get something done? What if an asian was turned away from my ex-father-in-law's lodge? Could they complain and expect some kind of action?
Does Masonry have a stated policy concerning racism? By Masonry, I mean the recognized, boys-only type of Freemasonry. Would the authorities actively deny recognition to a lodge that publicly avowed segregation? What would happen if a white mason went to a black lodge and was turned away? Could that person complain to the main organization and get something done? What if an asian was turned away from my ex-father-in-law's lodge? Could they complain and expect some kind of action?
Originally posted by glee
A question for all of you as Masons. If a member from a different lodge told you that their lodge discriminated against a particular race, would you raise a complaint?
Originally posted by glee
Wow! Video luxem.
Sorry if I seemed dense, but the details of organization were unclear to me. I thought that the United Grand Lodges in the British Isles were the ultimate authority. It seems, by what you are saying, that they are not the ultimate authority, but that their recognition, or refusal thereof, gives them great influence. Is that correct?
So now it sounds to me as if the definition of Freemasonry changes depending on the local customs of a lodge.
For instance, in the lodges my respondents belong to, brotherhood means "universal brotherhood". In other lodges, it might mean "brotherhood with those who are of xxx race" or "brotherhood with everyone except those of xxx race". These lodges would, of course, be in danger of having recognition rescinded by the UGL's if there were a complaint. But if no complaint occurred, then no problem. Is this correct?
A question for all of you as Masons. If a member from a different lodge told you that their lodge discriminated against a particular race, would you raise a complaint?
Also, this makes me wonder about Masonry in Hindu countries. Do members of all castes, including "untouchables", attend the same lodges? (mere idle curiosity on my part, I admit)
Originally posted by Mirthful Me
The light is shining on the purveyors of subterfuge now, let's see the twists and turns of hearsay and innuendo to drag the Craft into the muck and mire of ignorance.
Originally posted by AlexKennedy
My first day here and I got a "video luxem!" I'm so happy. (on reading back, I discover this "video luxem" was for Mirthful Me, not I... ah, well ) I could suggest that you could see even more lux if you joined a local Lodge, but that would be a little too close to recruitment, which we don't allow in Canada
[Edited on 6-5-2004 by AlexKennedy]