Right then, fall into line you 'orrible little pupils! Government wants the military to run state sc

Right then, fall into line you 'orrible little pupils! Government wants the military to run state schools

www.dailym ail.co.uk

The Armed Forces will be drafted in to run state schools under plans to drive up discipline and respect in classrooms.

Ministers are in talks with defence chiefs about taking over a handful of schools and turning them into military academies.

Alongside daily lessons, pupils would be expected to take part in activities such as drills, uniformed parades, weapons handling and adventure training.

The first state schools set to gain ‘military academy’ status are understood to be based in PortsmoutThe controversial scheme will initially be in areas where there are a large number of mili

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The controversial scheme will initially be in areas where there are a large number of military families, The controversial scheme will initially be in areas where there are a large number of military families, but is set to be rolled out across the country.

I'm totally speechless. It wasn't enought to have the worst police state in the western world, now they will add military schools? Seriously, can we INVADE the UK to liberate them from their tyrannical government?

But of course we won't because it's a worldwide plan, UK is only a few years ahead of us. Expect this kind of stuff in the near future here.

And yes, in the UK too they are planning a civilian force as strong as our armed forces... just like Obama's plan.

www.dailym ail.co.uk
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Great , so they can teach the little 'oodlums' about guns and better firearms control then...

Besides won't make any difference to the pupils though, they'll still wanna be footballers and 'glamour' models instead of helpful workers like doctors and architects etc.

Thats funny as i found out they where using electronic mind control in schools in 1992 in london when i was at school, and now this, does make you wonder. If they where using those things on our school, they must of been using it in other schools also in uk, so who knows what extent these things are used.

What really goes on behind teh scenes, hhhmmm.

Interesting article.

Originally posted by Vitchilo

Alongside daily lessons, pupils would be expected to take part in activities such as drills, uniformed parades, weapons handling and adventure training.

Hate to say it, but that doesw sound at least kind of fun. Better than Cricket IMO at any rate.

But this is in the Daily Mail, so I can't help but feel that this isn't the whole picture or that it's being over hyped.

[edit on 8-5-2009 by apex]

Yep Daily Mail... so take this with a grain of salt...

But weapon handling... when the slaves... i mean citizens, are not allowed to own guns... ain't that hypocritical?

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Yep Daily Mail... so take this with a grain of salt...

But weapon handling... when the slaves... i mean citizens, are not allowed to own guns... ain't that hypocritical?

Well, we aren't allowed to own handguns, but IIRC it is possible to get a rifle if you have a reasonable cause to have one, and shotguns are relatively easy to get, the license was pretty easy to get for me at least. I mean, had to be interviewed by a police officer, but that was it. It's not too restrictive, but definitely a large difference to America I'll give you.

But yes, it does seem a bit hypocritical, but I don't think the majority of people here want guns anyway.

Am I the only one that thinks that this isn't such a bad idea? Ooops.

When I was a kid, I grew up with comics such a Warlord and Victor, I watched war films from the 60's, I had action men recreating famous battles, my Tommies were never beaten. I then graduated to Army and Air cadets during which time I had some of the best fun of my youth, in a constructive and physically challenging environment.

Learning to shoot didn't make me a "gang/street thug", learning about the military didn't make me a pro-government NWO member. It gave me some discipline for use in academic and physical endeavours.

The military is NOT the government, in fact this government positively discriminates against ex-military (Gurkhas? Lack of social policy on ex-servicemen?). Getting some discipline and moral fibre into our youth is a good start - as long as political indoctrination doesn't play a part in it.

i'm with apex, sounds like fun to me too.

why do you guys think this is a big + for the government control machine, schools are control machines anyway, this only means that those who escape the machine now have military style training.

otherwise, it gives some kids a reason to bond together in a group that doesn't involve mugging people for their phones.

i think this is a good idea, for a change. so good in fact, i'ld say labour had to sack whomever was responsible.

So what that all about. Why in the hell is Great Britain going to let the Military run their schools. Thats complete and utter nonsense. I can only see one point in that. When SHTF, all GB has to do is pass a law drafting everyone from the Military "Academies". Its sure as hell bolsters the number in their armed forces. Its bull*snip* How can they do this. Not only is it a horrible move. Its unethical.

All I can say is...

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Well, Semper, you appear to be writing from the context of not being a Briton and so may be unaware of the apathy and distaste for society itself that afflicts our youth. Street crime is riding high, knife crime between youths is ever more on the increase, vandalism, underage drinking and violence abounds.

Surely this is unethical too? Especially since we have seen the sharpest increases in this type of behaviour during the New Labour regime. Regardless of the government at any time, there has to be a recognition of human society that comprises a nation, none more so important in our children. Without exposure to decent moral values during youth, how are they supposed to maintain a decent society in adulthood?

It is unethical to drive society to the point whereby metal detectors are required in schools to pinpoint knives and other weapons. This would have been unthinkable just 10 years ago let alone 20 years ago.

It is worth noting that those European countries with conscription have a lower incidence of "youth crime" than those without - Britain probably being the worst in all of Europe for indigenous youth issues.

I can see both sides to this. There are a lot of "chavs" and other delinquents that could be sorted out by something like this.

Or the cane could just be reintroduced. 15 year old prospectless yob shouting abuse at a teacher, maybe using violence? Call in two strong male teachers to bend him over while a 3rd gives him a few like they did in my dad's day. Maybe if this is introduced too, make him run a few laps around the school field. I like the sound of it more and more.

Obesity is also at high levels and rising, most kids becoming lazy and could do with some proper activity in school, but this is a situation created by the Labour government's useless leftist/PC policies (cost cutting, cheap and nasty school food, afraid of a chav mother causing trouble if their naughty child is punished, etc).

If anyone hasn't heard of a "chav" before, see this video. It's made ironically, he isn't a real chav, though it is a perfect representation of what really is out there:


www.youtube.com...


The biggest problem with the government is they think they know what we the people want. I give you a recent example of the Ghurka's fiasco. A group of people who served in this country's military, not allowed to come and live here? Do the government think we are concerned with immigration as to cause a stink if these people were allowed to live here? I just don't see what the problem is. Meanwhile masses of EU and Asian immigrants, assylum seekers come to live here easily for free and the government can do 0 about it due to EU policies. Hanging on to the last little bit of control they have?

If this is true it means the Socialist/Socialist/Capitalist nation of UK is turning more, and more like a Communist state. You are right Vitchilio, the same is going to happen in the U.S. It is already happening here with the Obama administration giving power over to this Corporation over all learn-based programs/education. the Obama youths already wear a bright red jacket reminiscent of the Communist youths in so many countries.

I still remember wearing a red bandana, red shorts, and a white sleveless shirt to go every day to the indoctrination camps, I mean school in Cuba.

I also remember very well how all children were taken from our schools when the murderer, i mean "el presidente" would make a two, or three hour speech, which was frequently, and of course the "Mandatory Community Service" aka slave labor where children aged 11-12 years old are taken to summer work camps to harvest for the revolution, and which all of the food harvested goes to other countries where the "revolution" is being started, or is still fought over.

Most young people now-a-days don't know any sort of history, and much less the history of Socialism/Communism, so most of them will embrace it because they have been brainwashed to believe true Socialism/Communism are going to solve all the problems in the world.



[edit on 8-5-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

BTW, apparently this idea started a while ago, at least since 2006 if not earlier.

Armed forces 'should sponsor schools'

By Richard Garner


Thursday, 24 August 2006

Britain's armed services have been included as potential sponsors to run state schools in a list published yesterday by the Schools minister, Jim Knight.

Mr Knight, writing on the Euston Manifesto - a website aimed at encouraging progressive politics, argued that the armed forces could be enlisted as sponsors of Tony Blair's flagship "trust" schools. He said the sponsorship base should be widened to include more parents' co-operatives and schools sponsored by trade unions, the armed forces or environmental groups.

His comments sparked outrage amongst teachers' leaders last night. Steve Sinnott, the general secretary of the National Union of Teachers, said: "Most of the organisations the minister mentions have a particular line to peddle... That is not necessarily in the interest of the children... and it should not happen."

Mr Knight argues: "Some independent schools, like Wellington College, were established for the education of officers' children and continue to do so.

"What of the other ranks? Why not Armed Forces Trust schools, particularly in areas like the garrison towns of Wiltshire?"

www.independent.co.uk...

[edit on 8-5-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

For my sins, I went to a boys-only grammar school which was cadet-affiliated. I spent half my school week wearing the regular school uniform - which hadn't ever changed - and the rest in an army uniform. I also spent a lot of my school holidays stranded in the middle of nowhere wearing a soaking wet army uniform too.

My school-masters were a strange mix of priests, adherents to both extremes of the political spectrum as well as a large amount of ex-forces members; many of which fought in WWII. In fact, we had large carved memorials that served as a listed role-call for the fallen in the assembly hall, detailing the masters and 6th formers that had died in wars. We also had corporal punishment within school, and form masters, house masters and well as the head all regularly meted out punishments using the cane, 'the log' (a knobbled stick between an inch and an inch and a half thick) as well as plimsolls; delivered sharply on our palms as well as our arses.

In my ways, my old grammar school appears to be the prototype for what they're suggesting in the article. Did any of this stop a climate of bullying, violence, rowdiness and general misbehaviour? In short: no. We were as badly behaved as local secondary school pupils across the other side of town; we just did it in smarter uniforms and we tended to bunk-off from Latin and Classical Studies rather than 'General Science' and 'cookery'.

BTW that cadet's uniform looks like the Russian military uniform.



news.bbc.co.uk...

Kind of strange. Have military academies in Britain always used those uniforms?

[edit on 8-5-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
BTW that cadet's uniform looks like the Russian military uniform.



news.bbc.co.uk...

Kind of strange. Have military academies in Britain always used those uniforms?

[edit on 8-5-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

It's 25 years since I've worn a uniform so I'm a little rusty, but it's a case of different uniforms for different occasions. The Sgt. Major in the picture is wearing a dress uniform from a Royal Artillery regiment - she's on parade rather than in a field.

Originally posted by SugarCube
reply to post by SemperParatusRJCC

 

Well, Semper, you appear to be writing from the context of not being a Briton and so may be unaware of the apathy and distaste for society itself that afflicts our youth. Street crime is riding high, knife crime between youths is ever more on the increase, vandalism, underage drinking and violence abounds.

Surely this is unethical too? Especially since we have seen the sharpest increases in this type of behaviour during the New Labour regime. Regardless of the government at any time, there has to be a recognition of human society that comprises a nation, none more so important in our children. Without exposure to decent moral values during youth, how are they supposed to maintain a decent society in adulthood?

It is unethical to drive society to the point whereby metal detectors are required in schools to pinpoint knives and other weapons. This would have been unthinkable just 10 years ago let alone 20 years ago.

It is worth noting that those European countries with conscription have a lower incidence of "youth crime" than those without - Britain probably being the worst in all of Europe for indigenous youth issues.

Sugar,
You are correct in assuming that I am not a Briton. I am none better nor none less. I am in fact American. Honestly, if you had the paddle the kids wouldn't be that far messed up. I'm just saying, it sounds fishy, like the government is trying to prepare itself. I wish I could get more in depth but I can't at this point in time.

This doesn't fix the problem of discipline outside the classroom though.

Successive governments and their academic advisors and policy makers have created a generation of parents brought up on the "I'm alright Jack" attitude, where selfishness reigns and individual responsibility has been replaced by an ever more pervasive nanny state. If the parents lack a responsible attitude then so will their children who, from an early age, learn that doing what the hell they like is encouraged. After all, self expression is to be encouraged isn't it? I saw all this happening in my late school years back at the end of the 70's, where a new breed of teaching staff were coming in full of ideas about self expression and allowing the children to get away with just about anything. 20 years later those same teachers, now part of the pipe smoking tweed jacket wearing brigade, all of a sudden started crying foul when the kids beat them up and ignored their authority. A case of reaping what you sow.
Successive education policy makers change the playing field just about every year to suit another set of ideas, in what is nothing more than one big social engineering study.

So, apart from trying to paint a rosy picture of military life in the schools (minus blood and guts, missing limbs and psychological disorders)what discipline will this bring to the children? Probably not much when the first MoD teacher gets hauled before a judge for violating the human rights of some little turd, who probably needed a slap anyway but will get a nice big compensation payout for the trauma caused by real discipline.
It is the job of the parents, above that of the schools and state, to instill discipline in their children, but when the current generation of parents have been brainwashed into thinking otherwise then what hope is there?