Glad to see this got some attention. Let me break down your questions to better answer them from my perspective. Also, I am glad to hear of you and
your families service. We are in the same position in that nature.
Originally posted by Abbadon777Where in the world do people have more liberty than the USA?
This is a dangerous way to look at liberty. "We are free-er than them so why should we ask for more?" We as a nation were not conceived to be a
'free-er than' nation, we were intended to be a free nation.
What liberties don't you have?...What liberties do you want or are afraid will be taken away?...What is it you want?
This is the real meat and potatoes of the argument. The only thing that has stopped actual armed conflict with the federal government is that that
liberties that have thus been taken away only indirectly affect the common citizen, or have not been 'felt' by many. Case in point, you may have
heard of the teen recently held under the patriot act. Now, it isn't a widespread rounding up of people, but for the few who have, that is going too
far. Additionally, the insurmountable debt (fiscal bondage) that the federal government has recently thrust upon our children in giving away public
funds to prop up failing businesses, and then empower the government in such a way they they have control and influence within those businesses is a
direct assault on the principles of a free market. Granted, that a free market is not a guaranteed constitutional right.
It is the actions that the government is suggesting, or beginning to demonstrate that are what is increasing the outcry of the people. Lets just start
by walking down the Bill of Rights. Freedom of Speech. The government has identified people who speak out against government policies and action, read
the DHS "Domestic Extremism Lexicon" recently released and look at the distorted definitions given to identify groups and label them as extreme.
Additionally, nearly every week or two you can find a news report on citizens being stopped or harassed by law enforcement over patriotic, third party
or other 'liberty' espousing bumper sticker or other identifying item. And this week, we see congress trying to push through 'Hate Crimes'
legislation, which I would be willing to bet, will be used against people who offer an opposing view to anyone based on religion, race, or sexual
orientation. Now, from my perspective, a crime or violent act is just that, motive be damned. It is getting to a point where people are starting to
feel as though government is breathing down their necks, worrying whether they are going to be stopped, questioned, detained, or are on some list
somewhere. This is not my definition of freedom.
The Right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. This is already not being adhered to, but on a regular basis now, you can find reports of
desires or plans by government to further restrict this right. They distort the definitions of weapons to get some banned, or parts of others. Then
they want limits on amounts of weapons, or ammunition, or they talk about putting unreasonable regulations on ammunition or weapons manufacturers to
drive prices up or make the products unreasonable to produce.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures... We see this one
being infringed upon regularly. Now, for reasons stated above and or for questioning the legality of actions of law enforcement/government, that
invokes suspicion and the ire of the parties involved so they then make life as difficult and problematic as possible.
Additionally, we have already mentioned the Patriot Act so I wont beat that dead horse.
Originally posted by piemanyou do think that armed response is the best and most appropriate reaction to the patriot act!?!
Originally posted by Abbadon777It should be undone, it should be almost entirely revoked. But that is a straight forward legal process,
it should be undone and I believe it can be undone with a lot of people getting involved in politics and telling congressmen and senators FIX THIS or
you are out! It shouldn't be a call to arms.
The hard part is getting people to look past the labels everyone tosses around, and work together. If people can't do it for simple things, like
this, it goes back to my comment that I don't think it's possible for any kind of armed struggle to bring people together
I don't, and I don't think most of the growing discontented think that armed conflict is the best choice. But, as you can see, anger by the plebs
goes unheeded by the representatives. The only response is often to pander to them.
Clearly, violence is and should be the last resort. The sad thing about it is, many already see that as a foregone conclusions. That no amount of
complaining or voting will be able to change the actions or behavior of the government as it is now. Should it come to violence, I fear and dread the
day. There will be no guarantee on such actions would return us to the intended freedoms of the constitution, but it is the American spirit that
drives people to want to risk it all to resist and break the bondage of freedom infringement by an oppressive government.