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Jesus get's props from the Whitehouse! Amen?

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posted on May, 8 2009 @ 12:40 AM
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Well, first of all he wasn't clear enough to actually say Atheist.

He said Skeptic.

If, indeed, the question had stated, "Atheist's how do you feel..."

I would imagine the answer would have been something along the lines of "The same way one feels about the myriad of other things Presidents have lied about before".

Prove to me his prayer is sincere.

Was the use of the term Skeptic meant to convey that people were skeptical that he held any faith at all, that he held faith but it was directed towards a Muslim persuasion?




posted on May, 8 2009 @ 12:49 AM
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well my take on it is biblical. it goes something like this:

GOD decides who will be king/president/ruler/leader, according to HIS plan for humankind. We think it's our idea. We think it's the idea of the illuminati, or the other world leaders, but .....well, let's look at this logically (in context)... if an omnipresent entity (being in all places at all times in history) is orchestrating the destiny of the human species from an omnipresent position, he would no doubt, have the wherewithal and advanced knowledge to do so. and such a position automatically dictates that if obama is president, he's president because it was meant to be so.

did that make sense? don't ask me philosophically how this ties to predestination or free will (or hitler, mao, marx, etc), cause i haven't a clue.


[edit on 8-5-2009 by undo]



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 12:51 AM
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Well, could you spread the word that God is cool with Obama being president, 'cause I don't think the word's getting down to the people if you hear what I'm saying



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 12:56 AM
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it doesn't say that you have to agree with it, however. it's like a test, is the best i can surmise. like the kobayashi maru.




posted on May, 8 2009 @ 03:19 AM
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That was just a traditional proclamation supporting National Prayer Day.
The President signs it every year on National Prayer Day.

So what?
Did Obama ever pretend to not be a Christian?



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 06:39 AM
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Originally posted by Kailassa
That was just a traditional proclamation supporting National Prayer Day.
The President signs it every year on National Prayer Day.

So what?
Did Obama ever pretend to not be a Christian?



Yes, you are correct....

And as a follower of Christ and a American historian, this is a good thing....

Now regarding our President's there is much debate out there....I take his word tho...


Thank you for posting...



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 06:50 AM
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Originally posted by undo
he's president because it was meant to be so.


no doubt!!!!
Soverignty and providence come to mind.....

REST assured , He's not got off guard with anything....

see more here... www.bible.org...


The Scripture, Sovereignty of God, and Our Anxious Hearts
The Scripture resounds with the truth that God knows how to care for his people and we need not lead anxious lives. Our responsibility is to trust and obey him, confident that his grace will carry us along (Phil 1:6). The following is a list of ideas and passages that encourage us as believers in Christ to trust him more and refuse to submit to the oppression of sinful anxiety. Christ has come to inaugurate a reign of righteousness and to put an end to the reign of such sin in our lives. The point of these passages is that our gracious heavenly Father, about whom Jesus spoke in Matthew 6:24-34, is sovereign and to be trusted (i.e., He reigns unchallenged). He is sovereign:4

(1) Over the entire creation.

Psalm 103:19 The LORD has established his throne in heaven; his kingdom extends over everything.

Daniel 4:34 But at the end of the appointed time I, Nebuchadnezzar, looked up toward heaven, and my sanity returned to me. I blessed the Most High, and I praised and glorified the one who lives forever. For his rule is an everlasting rule, and his kingdom extends from one generation to the next. 4:35 All the inhabitants of the earth are regarded as nothing. He does as he wishes with the army of heaven and with those who inhabit the earth. No one slaps his hand and says to him, ‘What have you done?’

Ephesians 1:11 In Christ we too have been claimed as God’s own possession, since we were predestined according to the one purpose of him who accomplishes all things according to the counsel of his will.

(2) Over the physical world

Psalm 135:6 He does whatever he pleases in heaven and on earth, in the seas and all the ocean depths.

Matthew 5:44 But I say to you, love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you, 5:45 so that you may be like your Father in heaven, since he causes the sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.






posted on May, 8 2009 @ 09:12 AM
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Wow, all I have read on this thread is fighting. I dont get it?

I am Christian and I'm glad OT is, however Christianity is intended to be humble and meek not boastful or proud.

I do think the subject is misleading. I would like it if Obama offered a national Christian day of prayer but he didnt. I think he intended it for all faiths.

We have seen Obama's view on religion and he doesnt sway only towards Christianity.



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 09:14 AM
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why would the devil want to pray to his enemy? oh i mean a man bent against all forms of real goodness and human fairness, sorry i didnt mean not to be socialisticly politicaly correct,,oops.



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 09:16 AM
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Everyone prays to one degree or another, what does that have to do with jesus etc...

Obama like many of the hierachy do not believe in jesus, but they all stand there praying, but to which god, who knows.



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by andy1033
Everyone prays to one degree or another, what does that have to do with jesus etc...

Obama like many of the hierachy do not believe in jesus, ...


I believe he has professed Christ , right?

OT



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by wonderworld

I do think the subject is misleading. I would like it if Obama offered a national Christian day of prayer but he didnt. I think he intended it for all faiths.



Certainly a ceremony at the whitehouse with multiple faiths, like the prior administrations would have been nice...

I would have preferred that...


My hope is maybe he will do that in the future....as a Christian I am thankful for the proclamation itself....it is a nice endorsement to the power of prayer...


I just think we can get more out of thanking him for what he did, than criticizing him for what we "percieve" he should do...

Thank you for bring appropriate thoughts back to the thread!!!


OT



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by mastermind77
why would the devil want to pray to his enemy? oh i mean a man bent against all forms of real goodness and human fairness....


Thanks for posting but that's a tad extreme, in my view...

Do you really think he against goodness and fairness?

OT



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by blupblup


Well, I've noticed a recent trend....

You seem to like starting divisive threads.



They certainly have come out that way on some posts....

Not my intent....


I guess I'm trying to get people to think about faith...personally and in society...


Any serious study of history could be charted when God is forgotten things get worse....

II Chroniclies 7:14 come to mind....If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by wonderworld

We have seen Obama's view on religion and he doesnt sway only towards Christianity.


? I really pray that is not true....he would be breaking tradition... remeber

James Madison....here's a few quotes....www.eadshome.com...




At the Constitutional Convention of 1787, James Madison proposed the plan to divide the central government into three branches. He discovered this model of government from the Perfect Governor, as he read
Isaiah 33:22;
“For the LORD is our judge, [judicial]
the LORD is our lawgiver, [legislative]
the LORD is our king; [executive]
He will save us.”
Baron Charles Montesquieu wrote "The Spirit of the Laws", a book that was read and studied intently by our Founders. Montesquieu wrote in 1748; “Nor is there liberty if the power of judging is not separated from legislative power and from executive power. If it [the power of judging] were joined to legislative power, the power over life and liberty of the citizens would be arbitrary, for the judge would be the legislature if it were joined to the executive power, the judge could have the force of an oppressor. All would be lost if the same … body of principal men … exercised these three powers." Madison claimed Isaiah 33:22 as the source of division of power in government.
____________________________________

• In 1812, President Madison signed a federal bill which economically aided the Bible Society of Philadelphia in its goal of the mass distribution of
the Bible.
“ An Act for the relief of the Bible Society of Philadelphia” Approved February 2, 1813 by Congress


On April 20, 1816, Congress also approved relief for the Baltimore and Massachusetts Bible Societies!
Click here to see a photograph of this actual document!
_____________________________________

Who did President Madison thank and trust during his First Inaugural Address?
"...we have all been encouraged to feel in the guardianship and guidance of that Almighty Being whose power regulates the destiny of nations, whose blessings have been so conspicuously dispensed to this rising Republic, and to whom we are bound to address our devout gratitude for the past, as well as our fervent supplications and best hopes for the future."
______________________________________

With regards to the Judiciary department and laws:
"As the courts are generally the last in making the decision [on laws], it results to them, by refusing or not refusing to execute a law, to stamp it with its final character. This makes the Judiciary department paramount in fact to the Legislature, which was never intended, and can never be proper






posted on May, 8 2009 @ 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by undo
reply to post by OldThinker
 


that's a very nice position to have. i like it.

regardless of whether we agree or disagree with the pres, he's the guy in charge atm, and positive prayer is a gooood thing.


Well a lot of people down through history have been in charge, I guess god wanted all that carnage.



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Well a lot of people down through history have been in charge, I guess god wanted all that carnage.


I believe he doesn't want that...

he would prefer love your neighbors as yourself....

I agree there r consequences with freewill...

ot



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by OldThinker

Originally posted by wonderworld

We have seen Obama's view on religion and he doesnt sway only towards Christianity.


? I really pray that is not true....he would be breaking tradition... remeber

James Madison....here's a few quotes....www.eadshome.com...




At the Constitutional Convention of 1787, James Madison proposed the plan to divide the central government into three branches. He discovered this model of government from the Perfect Governor, as he read
Isaiah 33:22;
“For the LORD is our judge, [judicial]
the LORD is our lawgiver, [legislative]
the LORD is our king; [executive]
He will save us.”
Baron Charles Montesquieu wrote "The Spirit of the Laws", a book that was read and studied intently by our Founders. Montesquieu wrote in 1748; “Nor is there liberty if the power of judging is not separated from legislative power and from executive power. If it [the power of judging] were joined to legislative power, the power over life and liberty of the citizens would be arbitrary, for the judge would be the legislature if it were joined to the executive power, the judge could have the force of an oppressor. All would be lost if the same … body of principal men … exercised these three powers." Madison claimed Isaiah 33:22 as the source of division of power in government.
____________________________________

• In 1812, President Madison signed a federal bill which economically aided the Bible Society of Philadelphia in its goal of the mass distribution of
the Bible.
“ An Act for the relief of the Bible Society of Philadelphia” Approved February 2, 1813 by Congress


On April 20, 1816, Congress also approved relief for the Baltimore and Massachusetts Bible Societies!
Click here to see a photograph of this actual document!
_____________________________________

Who did President Madison thank and trust during his First Inaugural Address?
"...we have all been encouraged to feel in the guardianship and guidance of that Almighty Being whose power regulates the destiny of nations, whose blessings have been so conspicuously dispensed to this rising Republic, and to whom we are bound to address our devout gratitude for the past, as well as our fervent supplications and best hopes for the future."
______________________________________

With regards to the Judiciary department and laws:
"As the courts are generally the last in making the decision [on laws], it results to them, by refusing or not refusing to execute a law, to stamp it with its final character. This makes the Judiciary department paramount in fact to the Legislature, which was never intended, and can never be proper





Yes many have claimed to be Christian to meet the criteria but worry many of those did not follow their faith.

There is a severe consequence to those in history that have used God's name in vain for political gain.

I guess I'm a poet and dindt know it.



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 11:09 AM
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yeah...good line...

remember he addressed this...by their fruit you will know them....

byproduct tells alot



posted on May, 8 2009 @ 12:42 PM
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has anyone noticed with separation of duties that jesus and god are using the concept of having more than one person required to complete a task. in otherwords we are being doublecrossed.

The separation of duties pattern is applied to functions the performance of which requires power that can be abused. The pattern is:

1. Start with a function that is indispensable, but potentially subject to abuse.
2. Partition the function into separate steps, each necessary for the function to work or for the power that enables that function to be abused.
3. Assign each step to a different person or organization.

Three general categories of functions must be separated:

* authorization function
* recording function, e.g. preparing source documents or code or performance reports
* custody of asset whether directly or indirectly, e.g. receiving checks in mail or implementing source code or database changes.



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