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Three of The Best UFO Trace Cases (New Bob White Evidence Included)

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posted on May, 7 2009 @ 04:19 PM
The following are some of what are referred to as the best UFO cases that have left physical trace evidence behind. Some of the cases contain the most up to date research yet (as of 2009) and are the strongest evidence for the existence of what most assume to be extraterrestrial piloted craft. This the compilation of those cases in a more condensed format, as I believe the greatest tool for any Ufologist or any form of UFO phenomina truth seeking is to educate the masses with the best cases presented in a neutral, easy to read format so that everyone can make up their own mind. For if we educate the masses we can get more peoples attention to this very real and serious topic.

The following are in chronological order starting with the most recent.

The Bob White Artifact
Date and Location: 1985, Utah-Colorado boarder near Grand Junction
Witness: Bob White and friend

Image of artifact courtesy of

Image of Bob White courtesy of

This case has some breaking news that was just made public last night in the History Channels UFO Hunters. We will get to that in a moment, but first a brief history of the incident.

White and a friend were driving from Denver to Las Vegas on a desolate highway near the Colorado-Utah border. It was 2 or 3 a.m., he said, and White was sleeping in the passenger seat. At one point, his friend woke him up and pointed out a strange light in the distance. White didn't think much of it and went back to sleep.
Then his friend woke him up again. This time, White said, the lights were blinding.
He got out of the car and stared, dumbfounded. The object was about 100 yards in front of him, he said, "and it was huge ... absolutely huge."
In time, he said, the lights bolted toward the sky and connected with a pair of neon, tubular lights — "the mother ship," White guesses now. And just like that, he said, the entire contraption zipped eastward through the Colorado sky and disappeared.
"What I saw," White said, "was not of this Earth."
As the craft flew away, White said, he noticed an orange light falling to the ground. A locator probe? Something that simply broke off? It was red hot when he reached it, he said, but in time it cooled enough to pick up. White shoved the object into the trunk of the car.
The object is about 7-1/2 inches long and shaped like a teardrop. It has a coarse, metallic exterior and weighs less than 2 pounds. It looks a bit like it could be a petrified pine cone and is composed primarily of aluminum.
Did the ‘Holy Grail’ of Ufology literally fall from the sky that night? Well Bob White has since had the object tested multiple times by such renown labs as Los Alamos National Lab. In 1996 White took a piece of the object to Los Alamos for testing, according to him the lab first stated this object was of extraterrestrial nature, later they retracted this statement and gave him a “misleading” report on the object. I can not find the actual copy of the test results but it was shown on last nights UFO Hunters and is referenced in many research sites. It is important to note that White also took and passed a polygraph test and signed a notarized statement of what happened that night. Interestingly enough further research as shown some striking similarities with Mars….

Dr. Robert Gibbons, former scientist with NASA, and current Executive Director of the Museum, made this statement. "We recently came across scientific data that linked Bob's object with the planet Mars.

Isotope abundance ratio tests were performed on Bob's object in May, 1999 in La Jolla, CA and the numbers are virtually the same as obtained from Martian meteorite samples. The ratio of isotopes of Strontium for the QUE 94201 meteorite found in Antarctica in 1994 was 0.701. The ratio of isotopes of Strontium for Bob's object was 0.712. The ratio of isotopes of Strontium for the Shergotty meteorite found India in 1865 was 0.723. Bob's object is right in the middle of two proven Martian meteorites!"

The Martian meteorite data came from a scientific paper published on the website of the Planetary Science Research Discoveries, an educational website supported by NASA's Office of Space Sciences and by the Hawaii Space Grant Consortium.

Dr. Gibbons is calling for more scientific tests on the Bob White object to prove its origin once and for all.

The most recent information on the artifact comes just recently as mentioned earlier. Two independent labs stated that the chemical composition of this artifact “shouldn't exist” and shows complex isotopes and nano chemical structure, that even now (and especially in 1985) don’t exist. The artifact is also apparently giving off some kind of radiation as well, this has been documented with dental x-ray films and mechanical malfunctions of electronic safes. There have been over ten labs to study this artifact and the results have been oddly split down the middle, some labs say it is nothing, but others say it is something extraordinary. In this case it seems the newest information is the most solid, currently there is no video available online of last nights UFO Hunters, as it is new. I will post it when I can get a hold of it. This is the hottest case in Ufology right now (thus why this is the longest entry in my OP) and has some strong potential to break wide open. It is odd that this object is made up of 70% aircraft grade aluminum, as well many complex isotopes of aluminum and other rare elements.It is important to note that not all labs have stated this is anything extraordinary, but considering the rest of the case and the reluctance of the labs to come forward and work with other labs that did find something one could postulate that this is intentional disinformation, which is not unusual in cases in Ufology.

Over 10 labs have tested this object and some of the conclusions in favor (as the ones against simply said it was normal) are as follows:

Test Results

*Dr. Robert Gibbons (former jobs; NASA, Northrop-Grumman, and Hughes)- Joined White in 2002 to help give his expertise as a physicist. As stated before the electric safe where this object was stored at one time malfunctioned three days in a row as the object was doing something to the batteries, draining the power. After this Gibbons ran a dental x-ray film exposure of the object and detected radiation coming from what he calls “2 lobes” in the object, the films match up to support this theory. The “lobes” look like two black spots in the center of the artifact.

* Los Alamos Isotope Abundance Test- This is highly disputed and believed to be disinformation directly from the United States government. White claims that after the initial test the lead doctor (which was called in special) called and told him “I have been waiting for this my whole life”, he also reportedly repeatedly said “aluminum,aluminum” in the sense that he detected complex isotopes of an unknown origin, which is what the original report was. However this was quickly changed according to White.

* Mass Spectrometry- A few years ago a mass spectrometry test was run on the object and apparently could not identify a small percentage of the object, which leads many to believe that is because it is an unknown and totally new element.

* Test Results from New Mexico Tech-

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White was not happy with the results of this test and stated he believed it was intentional disinformation. This is one of the tests that are dismissive of his claim, but still shows the high aluminum content. Are they omitting something? Or do they not have the technology there( at the time,which was 1996) to do a better analysis? Or are they telling the truth?

The following is the newest, most up to date information on the analysis of the artifact. This information was just released last night!
All information is from last nights episode of UFO Hunters on the History Channel

* Expert 1: Physicist Chris Ellis, expert in solid state physics, aluminum alloys, and superconductors. Test result showed the object is an alloy of unknown origin. It is also his expert opinion that this is a manufactured alloy.

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posted on May, 7 2009 @ 04:20 PM
* Expert 2: Research Scientist David Lamb, expert in physics and material science. Also works at a major US university. Findings were achieved using X-Ray Diffraction Analysis: The artifact showed an unique “amorphous peak and is a polycrystalline semiconductor”. To his knowledge this type of material is not found anywhere on Earth. Also there is silver concentration of 4.3%, here on Earth silver is used in this form by experimental scientist as a catalyst for a superconductor. It is sprayed over aluminum and thus is in small amounts as we see here from the test results. He postulated that this could be used on a craft as a way to dispel magnetic fields, especially in space as there is no energy expenditure needed for superconductivity. Lamb has further speculated that this artifact is in fact a “quasi-crystal of complex structure.” This is only in its early stages on Earth in the form of nanotechnology.

Wow, amazing, this adds to the ever growing list of overwhelming evidence supporting the UFO phenomina.

Hoax or not?

This case is a tornado of information back and forth, with some being supportive and some being dismissive. This is the hottest case right now and likely will get hotter very soon. Some speculate that White is trying to make money, as he is trying to sell the object for 10 million dollars and has made some other questionable decisions. However as the case gets more attention and more and more tests are being performed by top level scientists and labs (who want to remain unknown at present) it seems that this may be the real deal. Just because the personality of the person who has the object is not the most respectable and professional does not mean this isn’t real. This case deserves the most attention right now in my opinion and definitely warrants getting the information out and further research.


Not likely, as the latest expert opinion (Physicist Chris Ellis) states this is a manufactured object, plus the composition of it is not what meteors are made of.
This is obviously a very heated topic from both sides, but it needs to be researched much more. I believe this is the closest we have ever been to a actual “smoking gun”, not yet, but close.

The Falcon Lake Encounter
Date and location: May 19th, 1967 in Falcon Lake, Manitoba, Canada
Witness: Stephen Michalak

Image showing Mr. Michalak’s burns courtesy of

This is a case where close contact with a UFO was devastating to the witness, who suffered severe burns and sickness after coming into contact with a UFO.

Stephen rose early that morning, heading into the vast beauty of the wilderness. Only a couple of hours had transpired before he found a quartz vein by a small brook. After breaking for a quiet lunch, he resumed his work. At about 12:15 P.M. his attention was drawn away from his labors by the sound of geese passing overhead.Looking up to see them fly over, he was shocked to see two red, glowing, elongated objects descending from the skies. As they came ever closer, their shape was defined more as disc-shaped. As he stood mesmerized by the sight, one of the craft abruptly stopped and hovered in midair. The other continued its downward flight until it landed on a big, smooth rock only about 150 feet from him. The hovering craft began to move away, and as it went, it changed colors from red to orange, and finally gray.It disappeared into the clouds above him. The landed craft also began to change its color in the same pattern. Finally, the gray turned into what appeared to be "hot stainless steel," with a golden glow.Michalak had been wearing his protective welding glasses earlier, and now they protected his eyes from the brilliant purple lights shining through openings in the front of the craft. He could now smell sulfur, and hear a type of hissing sound. Curiosity overcame him. After approximately 30 minutes, he was frightened to see a door open from the side of the object. He could now see inside the craft!

Image showing Stephens drawing of the craft courtesy of

The interior was brilliantly lighted. Pulling all the courage together that he possessed, he moved ever closer to the other worldly craft. As he reached a point about 60 feet from the mysterious flying machine, he could hear two voices conversing above other sounds coming from inside the object.Being a multi-linguist, he tried several languages to communicate with whoever... or whatever was inside. All of his efforts failed to draw a response from inside.Undaunted, he moved even closer. He reached the door, and stuck his head inside. He saw a large panel of different colored lights, and other light beams crossing in different directions. Michalak would later describe the flashing lights as resembling lights on a computer. He saw no one in the craft, and decided not to push his luck any farther. He moved back away from the door. Suddenly, three panels moved together, hiding the door. His attention was now on the exterior of the craft. He later described the surface as "highly polished colored glass with no breaks or seams in its surface.”He reached out his hand to touch the polished surface, and his glove was melted. Suddenly the object suddenly moved, and as it did, a vented opening was exposed, like a type of exhaust port. He estimated it's size as about nine inches high by six inches wide.Heat was vented through the opening, setting Michalak's shirt and undershirt on fire. He was now in great pain. He quickly tore off his top garments, and turned to see the craft ascending back into the skies. He felt a rush of air as it made it's departure. He could still smell the craft after it had disappeared.Knowing that he needed medical attention, he quickly tried to mark the spot. Using rocks, pine cones, loose dirt, anything he could find, he made a landmark. A severe headache now was complicated by a sick stomach. He broke into a cold sweat, and vomited. On his way back to his motel, he had to stop several times to ease his stomach pain. After being refused help from a passing police officer, he finally reached his motel. It was now 4:00 P.M. He entered the coffee shop, and asked someone to recommend a doctor. The nearest doctor was in Kenora, 45 miles east of Falcon Lake. Because of the distance, he decided to return home instead of making the trip to Kenora. The next bus would not arrive for about four hours, so he rested in his room, and phoned his wife. He told her only that he was in an accident, but was OK. He instructed her to have their son meet him at the bus terminal in Winnipeg. He arrived there at 10:45 P.M. His son took him to the Misericordia Hospital immediately.

Here is the police report that he made that day.

Summary of Physical Evidence

* Severe, grid-like burns on chest of witness.
* Severe radiation-type sickness associated with close contact with the craft

Alternate Hypothesis

1. The only other possible scenario is that this is a hoax, but considering the physical evidence involved that is highly unlikely. It is important to mention that Mr. Michalak did not receive any money at all for telling his story and paid for all his medical bills (which were many because he had to go to over a dozen doctors for his injuries) himself. The police officer who took the report stated that he did not smell alcohol on his breath either. The officer also stated that it looked like Mr. Michalak tried to rub ash on his chest, which is something commonly done for burns in the wild.

The Socorro UFO Landing
Date and Location: April 24th, 1964 Socorro, New Mexico
Witness: Officer Lonnie Zamora

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This is one of the top cases in Ufology and also has the primary witness being a police officer. This report is also in the USAF Project Bluebook. Here is a brief report on what happened that day.

The witness in the Socorro case is a well-respected policeman, Lonnie Zamora, who claimed in the report he filed (included in Project Blue Book, Brad Steiger, Ed., 1976) that he saw a flame in the sky, "bluish and sort of orange too...sort of motionless flame, slowly descending...

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posted on May, 7 2009 @ 04:21 PM

narrower at top than at bottom...Sun was to west and did not help vision. Had green sunglasses over prescription glasses. Could not see bottom of flame because it was behind the hill....noise was a roar, not a blast..." The policeman drove around the area trying to see the flame again, and said he suddenly came across "a shiny type object ... oval in shape. It was smooth - no windows or doors. ... seemed like O in shape and I at first glance took it to be overturned car." He also described "two people in white coveralls...two persons..." Zamora said he saw the two people at a distance of 150 to 200 yards, and that "they appeared normal in shape... but possibly they were small adults or large kids." He also noted "what appeared to be two legs of some type from the object to the ground...the two legs were at the bottom of the object, slanted outwards to the ground." Zamora then got closer to the object, got out of his car, heard a loud roar, saw a flame, ran, bumped his leg, lost his glasses, and kept on going. He saw the object fly up, and move 10 to 15 feet above the ground, and then leave the area "travelling very fast." He radioed his dispatcher to look out his window for "an object .... it looks like a balloon." Nearby, the bushes were still smoldering. News reports in the local paper, El Defensor Chieftain, also mentioned "an unidentified tourist" who remarked about how "aircraft flew low around here," and that the strange object was a "funny-looking helicopter, if that's what it was."
Zamora's earnest nature and credibility, along with the physical traces, brought the Socorro "landing" to national attention. J. Allen Hynek came to town, and was very interested in the pod-like tracks and burn marks at the scene. Ray Stanford wrote a whole book about the incident, Socorro Saucer in a Pentagon Pantry. Phil Klass came to investigate. The Socorro event has appeared in numerous books and articles, and was even featured on Unsolved Mysteries.

Summary of Physical Evidence

* Scorch marks on ground in reported landing site.
* Abnormal readings in surrounding plant life.
* Indentations on ground in reported landing site.
* Burnt brush around reported landing site.

Here you can see two of the original photos of the site, beware they are not great quality...

This shows the circular burn pattern...

Image courtesy of and

So what really happened there? Is a distinguished police officer lying, or perhaps he was mistaken on what he saw? There are several alternate hypotheses which I will go over now.

Alternate Hypotheses

1.Propaganda hoax by the cities mayor or hoax by college physics students.

Either one of these are highly unlikely as there is no supporting evidence for either of these scenarios.

2. Test of Apollo lander or a helicopter carrying a Lunar Surveyer.

The lander scenario is not possible because there were no lander prototypes operational in 1964. The Lunar Surveyor is more plausible of an explanation, however after further research you can see from the range log from Holloman AFB in Alamogordo, NM the only tests of the Surveyor were conducted in the morning. Zamora’s sighting happened at 5:45 PM, although tests can be carried out ‘off schedule’ there is no evidence that this was the case on the evening of April 24th.

Image of test log courtesy of

Of course any hot air balloon is out of the realm of possibility because the maneuvers described by the witness. This case is still officially open and unresolved, but the evidence is extremely strong in favor of a UFO landing.The following is a direct quote from the investigators of Project Bluebook:

"There is no doubt that Lonnie Zamora saw an object which left quite an impression on him. There is also no question about Zamora's reliability. He is a serious officer, a pillar of his church, and a man well versed in recognizing airborne vehicles in his area. He is puzzled by what he saw, and frankly, so are we. This is the best documented case on record."

Here is some information on the surrounding plant life and the fused sand…

When interviewed by McDonald, Mayes reported that she and two others had worked on studying physical evidence from the Socorro site, but she could not remember the names of the others. According to Mayes, she had examined the site the day after the event, and had gathered plant samples for analysis. Mayes later determined that the plants which had allegedly been burnt by the UFO's flames were, unusually, "completely dried out". (Druffel, 219) Mayes also found no evidence of radiation, but found "two organic substances" she was unable to identify. (Druffel, 219)
Mayes also reported to McDonald an area of apparently "fused sand", where the sand had taken on a glassy appearance, near where the object had allegedly landed and then departed. The area of glassy sand was roughly triangular, measuring about 25 to 30 inches (760 mm) at its widest, though it gradually tapered down to about 1 inch wide; it seemed about a quarter of an inch thick. Mayes thought the glassy areas looked as if a "hot jet hit it." (Druffel, 219)
Picture of the researchers investigating the area, you can see some of the charred brush in the photograph.

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We have a police officers testimony of seeing a UFO land and two of its occupants coming out. Then we have physical evidence left at the site in the form of burn marks and radiation type readings in the area. All the alternative theories for this case are lax at best in my opinion, but you can judge for yourself.

I wanted to do more, but seeing as my OP is going to be 3 or 4 pages long already. I will post two more later on in an effort to save room and for ease of reading. I picked these three cases for various reasons, varying from witness credibility, tests done, and abundance of physical trace evidence. There are many more, but these are near the top, the Bob White artifact, in my opinion, is the top right now and need much more research, as it easily warrants the time and money. I feel we are getting closer than ever to the truth right now and the more information gets out to the masses the faster we will get there.


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posted on May, 7 2009 @ 05:41 PM
Wow, great post

Surely the second shows that aliens or UFO's must use nuclear energy or something much more high-tech, if its true that is. I did enjoy reading your
post, nice research

S&F for you.

posted on May, 7 2009 @ 06:25 PM
reply to post by jkrog08

Thanks for posting this - S&F

I was looking for the UFO Hunters episode from last night on youtube and it hasn't been posted yet. You can't watch it at either, I guess it is so new they are gonna air it a few more times before making it available online.

I really appreciate this post, not only is it cool to read the rest of the trace evidence cases, but it explains basically what I was wanting to watch from UFO Hunters last night. I missed the episode last night because I had to pick up a project from Staples, I decided to go have a couple beers afterwards and try to make it home in time to see the episode. I was having such a good time I stayed too late to see the show.

Was there anything else in the episode that was worth watching? If you feel like it, it would be coold to hear some of the details of the show - if they are worth hearing.

Thanks again JK

posted on May, 7 2009 @ 06:40 PM
reply to post by esteay812

I am going to post the other two cases( I wanted to in my OP, but it was already to long,lol). After this you wont need to watch the show!lol..

I will prolly post them tomarrow, as I have some stuff I need to do tonight.

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posted on May, 8 2009 @ 04:22 AM
reply to post by jkrog08

Im looking forward to reading more.

Once again good post.

posted on May, 8 2009 @ 06:13 AM

Great work!
Looking forward to follow this thread.


posted on May, 8 2009 @ 06:52 AM
The Zamora case is one of my favourites - in fact I class it as one of the "Holy grails" because the man himself simply had no need whatsoever to make such a story up, at all.

The sighting was also corrobrated by independent witnesses who saw something exiting the area at speed at approximately the right timescales - ruling out a hot air baloon.

The other intriguing thing to note is that the object and its occupants did virtually exactly the same kind of thing we would do as humans in that situation. Land, come out to explore and leave if something local approached that had the potential to harm us.

The "lunar lander test" theory is highly dubious. The lander was never, once, tested successfully in the open (its one of the base facts that it used in the no moon landing conspiracy) and it sure as hell would not have been risked out on public property, nor would it have had the fuel to get their under its own steam.

Great case. The others are intriguing too, and I need to look at them more

posted on May, 8 2009 @ 07:25 AM
Great thread - the subject of physical trace evidence is a very interesting one -here are some handy links:

SkyFloating's thread:

Top Physical Trace Cases:

Physical evidence:

Physical Trace Catalogue:

Centre for physical trace research:

Oz files -physcal trace evidence:

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posted on May, 8 2009 @ 07:34 AM
Bob White was on Judge Joe Brown.

... A lighter moment occurred when White and a Museum staff member appeared on the Judge Joe Brown show to settle a lawsuit. Complete with the UFO Object and photos of the Museum's UFO Bus, Brown proclaims to White at show's end; "Hell, I don't know, you may be right." ...

There is a older thread on ATS, as well. (linked to page 5)
If Dr. Robert H. Gibbons is still a member of ATS, (username DRGIBBONS) it might be interesting to u2u him for comments on this thread.

The second case has always fascinated me, but I heard that he wasn't initially wearing a shirt as it was hot and he was prospecting for rocks and he wasn't wearing welder's goggles. Also, he was in the mountainous area a few miles behind his house. And, after the 'incident' and after some investigators had combed the 'site' he made another claim that he had found a zig-zagged solid piece of aluminum(?) buried in the dirt directly under where the center of the saucer would have been, thus sparking another controversy. Again, this is what I remember of the case.

Excellent thread BTW! More matter and less art, I like it.

posted on May, 8 2009 @ 09:26 AM
I'll see if I can get a copy of that Bob White report from some of the guys I know who are working with the object itself. I'll send some of them e-mails tonight and I'll report back here.

posted on May, 8 2009 @ 10:39 AM
wowza! Great post! I can't wait to watch it. I dvr'd it because it came on at 10pm (my granny bedtime!) I will throw my 2 cents in after I watch it tonight! It's really bizarre to me that with all the evidence that's been piling up over the years, that people still doubt ET existence. I mean, come on already...... is it really going to take a little green (or grey!) man to bite everyone on the a@@ before we get some concrete validity on the subject???

posted on May, 8 2009 @ 10:58 AM
reply to post by neformore

Yea, that is why I put the Zamora case in the OP, I mean it is a police officer for godsake! Thats about as credible as you can get, plus the bluebook researchers said it all when they said "we don't know what happened".

As far as the lander, yea it is weak, the range log shows no tests at that time.

posted on May, 8 2009 @ 10:59 AM
reply to post by Mr Headshot

I'll see if I can get a copy of that Bob White report from some of the guys I know who are working with the object itself. I'll send some of them e-mails tonight and I'll report back here.

That would be great! I think we all would appreaciate it.

posted on May, 8 2009 @ 11:26 AM
reply to post by jkrog08
Hiya Jkrog08, the Falcon Lake Incident was a favorite of mine for a while. How can anyone look at the image of his burnt chest and not be intrigued? After a lot of reading into it a while back it had to go in the box marked '....mmmm...possibly...but...'

This was a very interesting case and typical of UFO/ET encounter claimants in being full of discrepancies as well as puzzling evidence. He was typically normal without any known history of UFO interests or extraordinary claims. It was presented in the Condon Report and found inconclusive, but some details remain open to discussion...

Roy Craig was the Condon Committee investigator in the case. The burns on Michalak were found to be thermal not radiation and therefore indicated great heat as in a fire. He asked Michalak to take him to the scene of the incident. Whilst looking for the area Craig noted that Michalak appeared reluctant and walked them around 'aimlessly' without being able to identify the spot. At all times they were in sight of a fire tower that was manned on the date in question. The implication being that it would be unlikely that a craft could land and take off without being noticed.

Regardless of this inability to find the site, all officials and investigators felt that he was honest and straightforward without any suspicious behavior. They all but abandoned further investigation. The RCMP report supports his respectability and notes that there was no smell of alcohol...

RCMP Report

A month after they had filed it as a simple verbal account with an unusual burn pattern, Michalak made contact and claimed to have found the site. Near the site he claimed to have found part of his burnt shirt and a tape measure he had dropped a distance away from the site.

Samples of soil and moss from the area, portions of the burned shirt, and a six-foot measuring tape which Mr. A had left behind were brought to city A. All three were radioactive. When sent to city B for analysis, they were found to be so strongly radioactive that the Radiation Protection Division of the Dept. of Health and Welfare considered restricting entry to the forest area from which they allegedly were taken.
Condon Report

It begins too look more like a genuine case until a year later Michalak claims that he found metallic debris. The first question raised by the investigators was why hadn't they found it the first time when the search had been most thorough? Analysis of the samples

I would interpret the specimens as pieces of thin sheet silver that have been twisted, crumpled, partly melted, and dropped into, or otherwise placed in contact with, nearly pure quartz sand, while still hot. They have subsequently been covered with loosely-adhering radioactive material which consists of crushed pitchblende ore, much altered to uranophane and containing associated hematite. These naturally-occuring radioactive minerals are found typically in the uraniferous deposits of . . . [River x] area and in parts of . . . [camp X]. In view of the thoroughness of earlier searches of the site for radioactive material, it is improbable that the particles discovered a year later would have been missed had they been present when the earlier searches were made.
Analysis by Mr. R. J. Traill (Head, Minerology Section, NRC)

So it seems that the unusual aspects of the incident have have been undermined by Michalak's own activities. By acting outside of standard forms of investigation he lost the support of independent witnesses. If he had contacted investigators before finding the site, he would have had more integrity. If he had found the metal samples with independent investigators, his claims would be far more indicative of an extraordinary event.

As it stands it's impossible to know if the incident happened and he then 'found' evidence to support his claims or if it didn't happen and contrived it all.

We're all looking for the 'smoking gun', but why must it always be covered in everyone else's fingerprints?! A nice clear cut incident without ifs, buts and damn maybes would be fantastic...

I posted a thread a while back Hostile UFO Encounters? Colares 1977 that features trace evidence in the form of images of puncture marks on hospitalised victims of UFO encounters. Two died. There's a wealth of evidence to support the probability that something very unusual happened down there! Of course, no 'trace evidence' thread is complete without Internos' The Height 611 UFO Crash

(note to add this is an edited repost from an earlier thread)

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posted on May, 8 2009 @ 11:28 AM
A very interesting thread. I am going to read up on this a bit more.

posted on May, 8 2009 @ 12:09 PM
reply to post by Kandinsky

Hey there, glad to see you around!

The radioactivity is a strong piece of evidence, I just don't see how he could have hoaxed that..........As far as the metal goes, who knows, it doesn't scream of hoax though. But like the Kalahari incident this could be a real case smeared with "profit greed"(lol, I just made that up I think).

The Colares invasion is yet another good one, but that has been discussed much more than the ones I presented so I left it out. And in the Height 611 incident Internos did such a great job that it got a lot of attention by itself so I left that out.

Speaking of Internos: I want to publicly thank him for referring me to the Bluebook file images on the Socorro incident. So thank you!

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posted on May, 8 2009 @ 12:23 PM
The trace cases are always interesting. It's just unfortunate that as tantalizing as they are, they always fall just short of producing convincing proof of anything. After all, a foot print or a piece of cast-off slag are hardly an advanced circuit board or other kind of real, manufactured-type artifact. And we can argue from here until the sun goes down about isotope ratios and naturally or artificially occurring alloys from industrial processes or lightning strikes or whatever. It would be a lot harder to argue against a workable disintegrator ray gun. Or a real, walking-around type alien.

The only thing these things really do is help confirm that these odd things have some kind of physicality to them, even if it's only for a moment. It doesn't help too much, because honestly Bigfoot has way more physical evidence (tracks) to show for it than UFOs.

So at the end of the day, we're maybe only a little bit closer to figuring out what all this stuff means. Okay, we know they can exist in some physical form in our reality. Whatever "they" are. Aliens, time travelers, tulpas, something else entirely?

[edit on 8-5-2009 by Nohup]

posted on May, 8 2009 @ 12:41 PM
reply to post by jkrog08
Hiya Jkrog08, I guess with the trace evidence cases, I'm extra picky
They offer some of the best opportunities (on several levels) to feel confident in an incident and throw 'belief' out of the equation. Like I mentioned, all our 'smoking guns' have so many prints on them, anyone could have fired them.

I even checked out the Civil Defense CDV 700 survey meter and the Tracerlab Model SU-14 GM Survey Meter to see if they were in use at the time. They were out of production, but I don't think that affects the account. I was looking to rule out the possibility that Michalak had access to a radioactive source. In 1967 there were fairly tight controls on the containment and transportation of radioactive materials (example ).

The report doesn't mention what type of radiation (I'm no expert anyway!), but it would be good to rule out the possibility of tampered evidence. Could he have access to a radiology lab and would that provide the levels of radiation found on the tape measure etc? What other sources could be available? At school, my physics teacher kept three tiny samples of radioactive material in a case. In the late 1960s, how available would sources be? By ruling such possibilities out, the case becomes more and more fascinating

I flagged your thread on the first OP...good work

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