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posted on May, 7 2009 @ 03:19 PM
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reply to post by Blanca Rose
 


Oh the govt. did some welfare reform back during the Clinton era if you recall. But a large portion of welfare recipients circumvented the system by getting on SSI and the worst cases are the parents who used their children and got them certified as halfwitted idiots for life.




posted on May, 7 2009 @ 03:34 PM
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Imagine for a moment, that you are the worlds best sociologist. You go to work for you local social services agency. You are assigned the typical caseload but you are so good that you get everyone on you caseload a meaningful productive job.

Your boss notices how good you are and he has you give a presentation to the entire agency. All the case workers adopt your methods and soon there is no one on welfare in you area.

Your boss has you teach other agencies in the state your methods. Soon no one in the state is on welfare. Next you teach all 50 states. No one in the country is on welfare.

Suddenly the social services agencies have their budgets drastically cut or completely eliminated since there is no need for their existence. All the social service employees are laid off.

My question is, do social services agencies really want to decrease the number of welfare recipients? Decreasing the number of people receiving aid would reduce the budget of the agency and therefore you could lose you own job.



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 03:40 PM
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So how would one reduce the welfare rolls from fraud and/ or slackers.

1.) If you can't name the father of your children, you don't get any aid for them.

2.) Welfare lasts 6 months. After that you must enroll in mandatory job training for jobs that are available in your area. If you don't take the training, you lose your benefits and/or your children.

3.) You play stupid (or you really are stupid) so you can't pass any of the job training then you automatically become available labor for any agency that needs you. Most likely you'd be out cleaning the sides of the road each day. Kids need to see their parent(s) going to work each day so that becomes the model that they will use as adults.

4.) You do not get a charge card of welfare payments for food. Instead you are provided with fresh natural food. If you don't know how to cook, classes will be offered. That way, you can't trade your food stamps for drugs.

5.) Drug testing on a regular basis. If you fail, you lose your benefits and your children.



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 03:42 PM
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So, to solve the issue, you need to take away the incentives to cheat or to be a leech on the state.

You need to provide training for people so they can find work.

You need to help people to help themselves, not perpetuate a lifestyle that is a drain on the economy.



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 03:46 PM
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In reply to all your questions, that is when SS disability comes in handy. Where there is a will there is a way. I know one lady who is on full disability for years with the "yuppie flu" that was some kind of elusive ailment back in the 1980's and she is on full disability, monthly check, full medical, she rents a condo where I live thru section 8 which the condo by the way belongs to her brother (something shady going on there too). She is out walking her two dogs every morning when I am leaving for work. She is in perfect health. Over half of the people on SS disability are FRAUDS.



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by booky

However, I understand people from Louisiana are uneducated and illiterate.. so what to[sic] I know..eh!



People from Louisiana are uneducated and illiterate eh???

Tennessee Williams uneducated and illiterate?
Anne Rice uneducated and illiterate?
Truman Capote uneducated and illiterate?
John Kennedy Toole uneducated and illiterate?
Stephen Ambrose uneducated and illiterate?
James Lee Burke uneducated and illiterate?
Louis Armstrong uneducated and illiterate?
Paul Prudhomme uneducated and illiterate?
Wynton Marsalis uneducated and illiterate?
Bryant Gumbel uneducated and illiterate?
James Carville uneducated and illiterate?
Elmore Leonard uneducated and illiterate?
Allen Toussaint uneducated and illiterate?

Cripes, I could go on all friggin' day.

Louisiana has provided more positive influence in regards to American culture(culinary, literary and musical) than most states in this country.

If you can possibly find the time in your busy day, I suggest doing a bit of research on this topic.

The United States would be much more of a bland, grey place without Cajun/Creole cuisine, Jazz, Blues and the myriad of other things this fine state brings to the table.

Save The Louisiana Wetlands!!!



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 03:57 PM
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So, you hire people to film her walking her dog, deny her benefits based on her ability to walk and then prosecute her for fraud.

You have to take away the incentives to be on welfare. You need to be harsh on welfare cheats. Currently, what is the incentive for social services agencies to prosecute cheats?



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 04:08 PM
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Originally posted by Wildbob77
reply to post by Bombeni
 


So, you hire people to film her walking her dog, deny her benefits based on her ability to walk and then prosecute her for fraud.

You have to take away the incentives to be on welfare. You need to be harsh on welfare cheats. Currently, what is the incentive for social services agencies to prosecute cheats?


Who hires a person to do that? Who pays for it?

Social Security should have a system in place that except for people who have had their arms or legs cut off or blown off, they have to be recertified every couple of years. I am all for our system taking care of people who are TRULY disabled, really I am and that is one of the great things about our country but it is like a runaway freight train and the brakes are completely to the metal.



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 04:12 PM
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I agree with you also.

I'm also all for helping people that can't help themselves.

I'd also like a system that helps people who are down on their luck but wouldn't allow assistance to become a lifestyle choice.



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by fraterormus

Originally posted by BombeniWhy would anyone be motivated to get themselves off welfare with a setup like that?


Yup, it sounds like the same reason behind those who go into the Military or go to College.

Mommy and Daddy provided them with free Room & Board & Car & Insurance & Education & Allowance all of their life. When it came time for them to make it on their own they got scared and chose one of three routes where they could have the same koosh setup...Military or College or Welfare.

And those that never grow up stay in the Military until retirement so that they can be taken care of, or stay in College all of their lives getting multiple degrees, or live off Welfare while they pump out the kids.



Well, Im not entirely sure how you made that association. You group college, military and welfare all in one basket. But I will tell you this for free as I assume you have never served a day in your life. Military is anything but welfare. You have a job and you get paid for it. You are sworn to defend the constitution of the USA against all enemies foreign and domestic. You have to be prepared to give your life to protect the freedoms of narrow minded people such as yourself. While you stand back here in the comfort and safety of your freedom of speech. You know, the exact same freedom of speech the military is out to protect.

Choosing to stay in the military long enough to retire has nothing to do with the security. It has to do with duty and honor to our country. What, if anything, have you done to show your patriotism to this great country? How can you possibly equate that to someone on welfare. One who sits around for years on end on their lazy @ss doing nothing. I’ve never heard of anyone on welfare deploying for six or more months at a time. Living in the most austere conditions. Under constant threat of being attacked by the enemy. Being thousands of miles away from home while their wife gives birth to their child.

As a military veteran of 23 years I take great offense to the assumptions you have made here. First off I had a rather crappy home life when I was growing up. Both my parents worked but they were horrible parents. Secondly being retired from the military doesn’t mean you are “taken care of”. Not sure what you mean by that but if you mean I collect a pittance of a pension every month then I suppose I am taken care of. My retirement doesn’t even come close to covering my mortgage. I still hold a full time job.

I’m not complaining though. I am glad I joined the military. It taught me things you can never understand. Nor will you ever. So you sit back and enjoy your freedoms and complain about the ones being taken away while you do NOTHING to help stop it other than whine like a little sniveling little snot here on this forum.



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posted on May, 7 2009 @ 04:28 PM
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Yes I call my representative, my congressman...and they said "nobody wants to touch it"..LOL..they need the votes you know..



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 04:36 PM
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Have you tried? This is exactly the complacent attitude that caused us to slide into this situation.

What happened to us? I am not a sheeple. Are you?



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by Blanca Rose
reply to post by booky
 


Don't you live in New Orleans, or somewhere in Louisiana?

Are these section 8 homes being built to replace what was destroyed during Katrina?

Your thread makes it seem like section 8 housing is something new, which it isn't. It's been around a long time.

I hate to break it to ya, but people being poor and needing some help isn't something new either.

How lucky you are that you don't need this type of help. Some people do, and yes, there are people that abuse the system, but not all of them. There is something wrong with the system and it needs an overhaul. On that I completely agree.

Would you rather see the people who do deserve help, living on the street?





Hey dumb ass people like Him can't get that help. Haven't You ever heard the news if You have a house or a car You get denied for welfare because You are to well of. These people are better of than I am I can assure You. I work 18 hours a day and I have to worry constantly about loosing my house and not having food on the table. These people don't worry about crap they have a home and food at my expense. So whom is so bad off You tell me? As a matter of fact when it gets to the point that I need that it won't be around so guess what I might have to kill myself then.



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 04:39 PM
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Oh no, I am no sheeple. I get an update from my congressman every month and made hundreds of calls to senators and state reps..they all listen..but none act..My goal is to vote all of them out of office..

I was the founder of CBSLA (Citizens for a better State of Louisiana), and you could not get people off the sofa..now they are pissed...and it is growing. Look out.



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[edit on 7-5-2009 by booky]



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 04:48 PM
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You are so right JKM...I know many older people, because they worked hard to own their home living on 600 mo. social security and paying out of control property taxes can barely get by..it is sad..and I/we have had enough of the free gravy train for reproduction.

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posted on May, 7 2009 @ 04:53 PM
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Another lady who also lives in my condos, about 45, was working at JC Penneys and apparently hurt her knee, went on worker comp for about a year, did have some type of surgery, which was apparently EFFECTIVE because, and I kid you not, she owns two greyhounds (they walk you, you don't walk them) and she walks them all over kingdomcome. I say she walks them but she is small and truly at their mercy, she has them well trained so they don't run away. She applied a few years ago and once in awhile I would see her using her taking her cane with her as she walked to the car (I knew she was on the way to a doctor or social security appointment). Well danged if she didn't get approved, not only that they went back and paid her for the past two years, she has been driving a real nice car since then. She is good friends now with the yuppie-flu lady, I think she got a lot of pointers from her.



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 05:00 PM
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Well We do have to be compassionate don't We? I mean look at all these teen age girls that get pregnant? Who is going to support their little bastard children? I know their parents aren't thats for sure and the little terd that struts around ACTING like a man whom got her pregnant isn't. Doesn't the constitution protect INDIVIDUAL rights or does it only protect collective rights. I didn't have the choice in the matter to take care of these irresponsible people. These people had the right to make a decision and they made a irresponsible one at that. I mean if I have to pay for the child at least I can get a round with the mother RIGHT? I paid for it didn't I?

Ok enough of the emotional ranting .... but this needs to stop and people need to crack down on cases like this.... I only think welfare should be around for people whom did not have a choice in the matter. I don't have a problem with a single mother with children whom their father died in some freak accident. I have problem with the teenage mothers that get pregnant and no one is held accountable for their irresponsible actions except for the tax payer. These people need to learn from their mistakes and step up to the plate and be parents and if they don't they don't deserve their child or to have food in their stomach...


The hard fact is 90% of all welfare cases can be fixed if they enforce the laws in place. I say round up their fathers and make them pay every red cent back and then support their own children. Hey the woman isn't going to get off either she is going to pay up to.... If the people can't name the childrens father then their kids should be taken away and they should be sterilized.



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 05:22 PM
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Don't get your feathers up Snisha..I was quoting what someone else had said on another post...I am from Louisiana and proud..educated, smart. Have many things to show for my life on this planet. And I love the south..



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 05:32 PM
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I can bet I have done more to make a change in this State than you. You left.
I have been watching this for 50 yrs..not 3 or 4 like you..read my other post..you will see my actions..care to state what you have done Blanca.



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 05:54 PM
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Sorry bout that booky!

Sometimes I erroneously interpret what I am reading! I offer my most gracious apologies and...

Laissez Les Bon Temps Roulet!




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