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Socialism - Want a free house

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posted on May, 7 2009 @ 01:13 PM
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Anyone out there need a free house...this is how you get it..

Lately I was driving down the road and I saw two new homes sites (about 100 new homes each) being built at a record pace..I mean they had so many people working on these homes it looked like ants. Well, after looking into to it a bit further I found out that it is Sec. 8 housing. That is..if you are on welfare you get to live in these homes for just about nothing. Also, you you get free medical, education, some cash and you light bill at a discounted rate..Not bad...

Well, if you want a free car..you can get that also..just check out Mass.. Read this article..the car come with insurance, AAA, free repairs..

www.bostonherald.com...

The New World is here..have more kids with no know name of the fathers and you in like flint.




posted on May, 7 2009 @ 01:23 PM
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Don't you live in New Orleans, or somewhere in Louisiana?

Are these section 8 homes being built to replace what was destroyed during Katrina?

Your thread makes it seem like section 8 housing is something new, which it isn't. It's been around a long time.

I hate to break it to ya, but people being poor and needing some help isn't something new either.

How lucky you are that you don't need this type of help. Some people do, and yes, there are people that abuse the system, but not all of them. There is something wrong with the system and it needs an overhaul. On that I completely agree.

Would you rather see the people who do deserve help, living on the street?



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 01:30 PM
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Homes yes, cars-no. Free insurance-no. Free AAA membership-no. Approved repairs-no.

Get it? It's not about putting people on the streets, it's about giving them more than necessary. Need transportation? Get a bike.



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 01:38 PM
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Well, I do agree with that, but.......suppose somebody lives way out in the country and needs transportation other than a bike to get to work.

Not everybody who lives in the outlying areas of cities are rich, and have cars, or homes even. Those people do deserve this sort of assistance, if they make an attempt to find a job and keep it. Not everyone who is on welfare lives in an inner city, either.

As for people who live where there is public transportation or whom can peddle to work should use these types of transportation to get around.

If people on public assistance make an attempt to better their lives by finding a job that is a long distance away for them, need some transportation to get themselves off of welfare, I am all for that. Or, would you prefer they sit at home and keep on collecting your tax dollars?



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 01:42 PM
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I agree there are poor people and they need help..I really enjoy helping people who want to help themselves. The welfare system is greatly abused and people are taught how to abuse it. But IMHO 75% of the people on welfare abuse the system, and tons of people accepting the welfare card abuse the system. Also, people working/managing the system are abusing it..People should not be rewarded, more money, for having more children without knowing who or where the father is..No matter their race, gender, or if they live in Louisiana or not..

However, I understand people from Louisiana are uneducated and illiterate.. so what do I know..eh!

[edit on 7-5-2009 by booky]

[edit on 7-5-2009 by booky]



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 01:47 PM
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I'll agree to treat each case on an individual basis. They need to be closely monitored and show improvement or progress. Otherwise, NO MORE free handouts.

I think it's too easy to fall into the welfare trap and not want to get out. I have an aunt and uncle who fall into that category. I don't even know how long they have been collecting welfare and they are both capable of working. Thank goodness my grandmother left them a house or they would be homeless too.



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 01:50 PM
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I do agree with assistance, but really when does it end? The days of Handouts should be over, but they wont. Do really truly end the welfare we have in this country the Goverment should start to ween these people off the Tit, not give them new incetives be realable on the Goverment.

I have a question... Does anyone truly know how many welfare kids end up as welfare adults? Has there been a study on this in the States?



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 01:55 PM
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Good question:Here's your answer

edit to correct link

[edit on 7-5-2009 by ratcals]



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 02:15 PM
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I couldn't agree more that the system needs overhaul, and the people who are on it, monitored closer.

As for the free car bit, a person who gets this type of help should have to supply mileage to prove the vehicle is used for transportation to and from work only. They should get a license plate that indicates the vehicle is for work use only, and they should be fined or have the car taken away if it is used for any other purpose.

Welfare is needed sometimes, but should not be a way of life. It should be used as what it is intended for as a means to get by until a person can do it for themselves. Limits should be set in place as for the length of time a person can collect. If they don't get a job on their own, they should be assigned one after a certain amount of time.

I am completely against a well, able bodied person sitting on their butt cheeks when they can be working.

I think people in need should get a certain amount of money over time also. They can start with full benefits to begin with, and have them reduced over time. After 3 months they loose a 3rd, after 6 months they loose half, after a year, no benefits at all. Sort of like a sliding scale. If they know the free ride will come to an end, they might be more likely to be a productive member of society.



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 02:19 PM
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You should come check out Grays Ferry its really sad when the nicest part of your neighborhood is the projects



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 02:19 PM
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Excellent response and idea. But why are you telling me? Tell your state representative: How to contact your state representative

If enough of us do it enough times someone might listen. Don't just do what I call 'fire and forget'. You have to follow up.



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 02:35 PM
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Well booky, so, being from Louisiana, you should have some feel for how it is in the State. Mind you, since you live there, you should know that Louisiana is one of the poorest states in the country. Why are you surprised to see that section 8 housing is going up? Not all of it that was ruined in Katrina has been replaced yet, and thank goodness you saw some being built. Would you rather these people who were in it to begin with pre-Katrina, keep being housed in hotels, getting food voutures? I'd think the section 8 housing will end up costing a lot less than hotels, and restaurants for these people. It has been almost 4 years, and some people who were in section 8 housing are still displaced, and I find that disgusting.

You stated in your humble opinion that 75% are abusing the system. How did you come to that conclusion? If you know something the rest of the tax payers in the state don't know, why aren't you reporting it? You must have personal knowledge to say that many people are abusing the system, and if you are not reporting it to somebody, whether it be the news or your congress person, then you are just as bad as the people abusing the system! You are letting this happen, in other words, gripe and moan about it, yet do nothing that you have stated, other than to complain about people getting a free ride and cars. Are you jealous?

As to your other comment about the folks in Louisiana, you answered your own comment /question. You are complaining, live there, and seem to have knowledge of 75% of people abusing the system. What does that tell you? You are here on ATS complaining, but what are you doing about this in YOUR OWN STATE?



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 02:42 PM
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I agree with your reform idea 100%...can we make it happen now...that would reduce the welfare roles by 25 million..at a savings of about 30 billion a year in tax money..you have my total support.



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by Blanca Rose
reply to post by ratcals
 


Well, I do agree with that, but.......suppose somebody lives way out in the country and needs transportation other than a bike to get to work.

Not everybody who lives in the outlying areas of cities are rich, and have cars, or homes even. Those people do deserve this sort of assistance, if they make an attempt to find a job and keep it. Not everyone who is on welfare lives in an inner city, either.

As for people who live where there is public transportation or whom can peddle to work should use these types of transportation to get around.

If people on public assistance make an attempt to better their lives by finding a job that is a long distance away for them, need some transportation to get themselves off of welfare, I am all for that. Or, would you prefer they sit at home and keep on collecting your tax dollars?





Why would anyone be motivated to get themselves off welfare with a setup like that?



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 02:50 PM
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I'm actually moving back to Kentwood for a time come this Monday. Can you give a cross section as to where this section 8 housing is going up? I have to be in New Orleans on some business while there, and would like to check it out for myself, and get more of the story behind it.

Thanks



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 02:53 PM
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Well, if you looked a little further on, I suggested people having to report mileage, and fines or the vehicle being taken away if used for something other than work.

I also suggested people have their benefits reduced after a period of time.

If people know these types of help have limits to them, it should get a few to re-think that they are such a great idea.

In other words, it would be work to even get the benefits.



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 02:54 PM
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I don't know much about section 8 or free cars but I don't doubt it. I do know about crazy checks. Parents teach their kid how to act crazy, they get them on social security which is known in the industry as a crazy check. My sister teaches at a ---, well let's just say she is a teacher and 70 percent of the kids at the school get a crazy check. In most cases every kid in the household is getting a crazy check. These kids will remain on these crazy check doles until they turn 21 years of age, at which time most of them will try to get certified as a permanently disabled adult.

I don't know a lot of adults on full ss disability, but I do know six, and of those six only one of them is truly disabled. If you want to know their stories just ask.



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by BombeniWhy would anyone be motivated to get themselves off welfare with a setup like that?


Yup, it sounds like the same reason behind those who go into the Military or go to College.

Mommy and Daddy provided them with free Room & Board & Car & Insurance & Education & Allowance all of their life. When it came time for them to make it on their own they got scared and chose one of three routes where they could have the same koosh setup...Military or College or Welfare.

And those that never grow up stay in the Military until retirement so that they can be taken care of, or stay in College all of their lives getting multiple degrees, or live off Welfare while they pump out the kids.

Seriously, living fat off Welfare is no different of a life-style choice than choosing to go into the Military or go to College. Are the Anti-Welfare people also Anti-Military and Anti-College for providing free Room & Board & Insurance & Education & Allowance to those who chose those paths instead?

In each situation though you are surrendering part of your freedom to live that life under someone else's rules, and you are only stunting yourself by remaining co-dependent rather than learning to take care of one's self. Those who enjoy the freedom of being their own boss who makes their own rules and lives life the way they want to live it realize that it's not worth it to ever give up that freedom for the security of having a new "Mom" and "Dad" in the form of the government take care of your needs. But that doesn't give us the right for judging those who would rather surrender their personal freedom for that kind of sense of security.

I'd rather that every person have the basic essentials for life given to them, even at my own expense, than to have someone be denied those basic essentials. So, whether someone is living off Uncle Sam (and all Tax Payers) via Welfare, Military or College Grants, then so be it. I'd rather they get my money than Bankers and Investors on Wall Street that made Billions in Profits gouging the American Consumer and then got Billions in Bail-outs on top of it.



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 03:13 PM
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Well I guess I'd rather see them go to college or military than just lay up in their parents house until they are 35, working jobs for 2-3 weeks at a time until some mean person intimidates them into quitting. But I know what you are saying, many parents are failing at preparing their kids to function as self-sustaining adults these days. I don't know why. I was the youngest of four kids and none of us could wait until we were old enough to get out of Dodge, and I am happy to say it was the same with my kids. I think they just started getting an uneasy feeling around the age of 17-18 that I had had had all the fun I could stand.




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posted on May, 7 2009 @ 03:13 PM
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Ha haha.

You've got to get a hold of the banks first.

Hell due to the economic crisis rather than have new homes further drag down existing property values banks are destroying new homes.

realestate.msn.com...


A Texas bank is about done demolishing 16 new and partly built houses acquired in Southern California through foreclosure, figuring it was better to knock them down than to attempt to sell them in the depressed housing market.

Guaranty Bank of Austin is wrecking the structures to provide a "safe environment" for neighbors of the abandoned housing tract in Victorville, a high-desert city about 85 miles northeast of Los Angeles, a bank spokesman said.


Get rid of all private banks in exchange for a central federal bank, let the property values drop to near nothing, then you can have free homes for all!

Better act quick before the banks demolish them all.



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