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A valid political point - How are liberals pro-abortion but anti-torture?


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reply posted on 14-5-2009 @ 05:56 AM by jfj123


Originally posted by mostlyspoons
THE TAKING OF HUMAN LIFE IS MURDER REGARDLESS OF AGE.

So you're all saying basically that liberal people should have the choice of wheither or not they want to end their child's life, rather than a conservative government dictating that the child should have a chance at life?

THE TAKING OF HUMAN LIFE IS MURDER REGARDLESS OF AGE.

Abortion should only be an option when it is proven that the pregnancy is a product of rape, or if the mother will have health complications as a result.

THE TAKING OF HUMAN LIFE IS MURDER REGARDLESS OF AGE.

Do you accept that?


Wait a second....according to you it's murder no matter what right?
So your own statement is contradictory to your values.
You say it's murder but then you say it's ok to murder under your certain circumstances. So you've decided that murder "regardless of age" is ok.

Might I suggest that before you get on your soapbox and attempt to throw your morality in our direction, you might want to find out what your own morality is.



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reply posted on 14-5-2009 @ 05:59 AM by jfj123


Originally posted by mostlyspoons
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Wow, you are so cold-hearted. Or just really misguided. I pity you.

You are destroying the potential for human life, regardless of how science defends it by warping reason. And that is something a moral person can only do in a sick world.

Assigning emotional value is quite acceptable when dealing with HUMAN LIFE. Shame on you.



So now you're reducing it to POTENTIAL human life. That's interesting so under your own statement, many women are committing murder once a month as potential life is discarded. Not to mention the fact that all the sperm that is lost through "nefarious" means is also an act of murder since it carries the potential for life.



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reply posted on 14-5-2009 @ 06:24 AM by ledhead


Originally posted by jfj123
So now you're reducing it to POTENTIAL human life. That's interesting so under your own statement, many women are committing murder once a month as potential life is discarded. Not to mention the fact that all the sperm that is lost through "nefarious" means is also an act of murder since it carries the potential for life.


Haha good point. I guess that makes me a mass murderer



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reply posted on 14-5-2009 @ 06:31 AM by -0mega-


I'll just be answering the initial question.

I think the main difference they make between abortion & torture is:

Depending on the stage of development of the baby, it might not be fully aware of what is happening (not experience pain at all, or at least not in our eyes) Have you ever seen one of those abortion clips? It sometimes looks like a small clump of something weird, completely immobile, and unresponsive.

That and a child in a woman's womb might by some be considered ''her property'', in other words, it's her decision on what to do with it.

Why does almost noone care about snapping a twig or about plucking some flowers? They do have some life in them you know.

Because of the lack of emotional response, now if we had mandragora roots everywhere......

[edit on 14/5/09 by -0mega-]



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reply posted on 14-5-2009 @ 07:43 AM by Rockpuck


hilarious thread..

I am pro abortion and pro torture.. I don't know what that makes me. An evil conservative or a evil liberal, I don't know.

Makes me me I suppose.

But a valid question you bring up!



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reply posted on 16-5-2009 @ 02:02 PM by Ryanp5555


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To me, they seem to coincide. They only say a fetus is alive, what is it the 22nd week or something like that? At that point they say you cannot harm a human life. Thus, once you are considered alive, another person has not right to harm you. As such, pro-abortion - anti-torture. The better question is how are republicans anti-abortion but pro-torture. That's like saying We respect all forms of human life, but not enough to make you think your drowning.



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reply posted on 31-5-2009 @ 12:21 PM by justsomeboreddude


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Having a period does not constitute murder. It is an act of nature. That would be the same as saying someone struck by lightning was murdered by a thunderstorm or that a woman having a miscarriage murdered her baby.



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reply posted on 31-5-2009 @ 12:32 PM by Plasma applicator


So Basically your asking why your preconceived notion of lumping people into groups doesn’t conform to your preconceived notion of what they think. I would say the fault is yours for grouping. Shallow..



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