A valid political point - How are liberals pro-abortion but anti-torture?, page 12
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reply posted on 13-5-2009 @ 11:12 PM by TheColdDragon
Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
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I disagree. It does not weaken it. I know that a zygote cant live without support. What I am saying is that if you give a human zygote support it will become a human being, barring any complications. So therefore it is a human life.


Correction: If you give a zygote support, it has a non-zero probability of being carried to term. The likelihood of becoming a human being is definitionally tied to what a human being is considered, and there is no presumption that the possibility of it living to full term somehow lends it qualities it would not otherwise have.

When considering and debating with human secularists or those of a scientific bent and disbelieving nature, you cannot lend a quality that does not exist in the present to an entity because it may exist in the future.

Water has a freezing point. All water can become ice. This does not mean that all water is ice because of what it can be. The state at which it resides is the state at which it is referred to.

Thusly, from a logos argument, you cannot impart a future quality to a present element; It is a plea to emotion or morality.

You are entitled to whatever view you want. To me, it just seems that pro-abortionists must take that view, because if you didnt then it would impossible to see abortion as anything less than a mother having her own child murdered.


My interests and wants are not relevant to the topic, and present/previous/future comments are not necessary indicators of my disposition upon a subject.

You are again conflating your own worldview with the worldview of others. Whether you view it as murder does not indicate whether others view it as murder, and you should not assume that they do.

You are inferring a hypocrisy that is entirely based upon your own worldview; others see no hypocrisy because their definitions differ from your own.

This makes you totally correct. Your absolute correctness is just limited within your head.


reply posted on 14-5-2009 @ 05:59 AM by jfj123
Originally posted by mostlyspoons
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Wow, you are so cold-hearted. Or just really misguided. I pity you.

You are destroying the potential for human life, regardless of how science defends it by warping reason. And that is something a moral person can only do in a sick world.

Assigning emotional value is quite acceptable when dealing with HUMAN LIFE. Shame on you.


So now you're reducing it to POTENTIAL human life. That's interesting so under your own statement, many women are committing murder once a month as potential life is discarded. Not to mention the fact that all the sperm that is lost through "nefarious" means is also an act of murder since it carries the potential for life.


reply posted on 16-5-2009 @ 02:02 PM by Ryanp5555
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To me, they seem to coincide. They only say a fetus is alive, what is it the 22nd week or something like that? At that point they say you cannot harm a human life. Thus, once you are considered alive, another person has not right to harm you. As such, pro-abortion - anti-torture. The better question is how are republicans anti-abortion but pro-torture. That's like saying We respect all forms of human life, but not enough to make you think your drowning.


reply posted on 31-5-2009 @ 12:21 PM by justsomeboreddude
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Having a period does not constitute murder. It is an act of nature. That would be the same as saying someone struck by lightning was murdered by a thunderstorm or that a woman having a miscarriage murdered her baby.
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