posted on May, 12 2009 @ 08:53 PM
It is fascinating how the Thread originator prefaces it with "A VALID POINT", as if stating it were so somehow lends gravity to his diatribe.
As I am well certain many have pointed out in this thread, there are a majority of people who do not perceive an embryo or zygote would be classified
as human life. Your declarations of humanity are not reasonable, and as such, you cannot participate in a reasoned discussion about the subject.
Your pleas are emotional ones, appealing to Ethos and Pathos in the traditional rhetorical style and entirely lacking in logos.
Potentiality is never measured when a person makes a determination concerning an unborn entity. Whether they could or could not be the next Einstein
or David Berkowitz is entirely irrelevant to the matter at hand.
On the one side, abortion is perceived as murder of an innocent human life. As Paglia has argued, if you do consider conception to be a valid zero
framework for when life begins, this still does not remove the will of the Woman who must sustain the entity until it is self sustaining. Paglia
would argue yes, it is murder, but it is a murder which the woman and only the woman carrying the fetus has the right to decide.
Aside from Paglia, we have how we define a human being. The difference between war and the death penalty and an unborn child is that the latter is a
nebulous undefined existence, which has lesser value than an entity with verifiable experiences and thought processes.
The only thing which would lend an infant or an unborn child a greater value is either the ambiguous definitional of what a soul is or the
evolutionary engrained protective instinct to renew progeny and shelter the young from harm. Neither of which serves a purpose in this argument.
If a secular humanist disbelieves in the subject of a soul, then every being is a mass of self perpetuating germination, from the smallest fetus to
the oldest and wisest of us. It is harder to dehumanize a grown adult than it is to seperate sense of human from a cluster of cells, all of which
would have a near-zero chance of survival exterior to the supplementary engines that is a woman's uterus.
If a person believes that humanity as a whole has a lesser value as there is an abundance of us upon the sphere to begin with, then it is well
reasoned to reduce the surplus population via elimination of new consumers and rivals though the ingrained need to belong ushers in the sensation that
eliminating adults tends to bring about severe repurcussions, and as a fetus or embryo is not viable or the concept of it's livingness is debated
upon, it seems reasonable to destroy that which cannot rightfully be anthropomorphized or related to in a cognitive capacity.
Some highly intelligent individuals have a similar anathema to children from age 1 to 10, seeing them as subhuman but unable to murder them out of the
societal reprisal that would occur.
What we come to in the logos is that the one side relies upon entirely spiritual or dignity based presumptions whereas the other side comes to a
generalist and often pragmatic conclusion as it relates to the picture of society and risk as a whole to themselves and to other currently existent
It cannot be argued, without resulting towards supernaturalism, that a cluster of cells is dignified or posessing of a quality which differentiates it
from a common parasite.
Thusly the originator of the thread has no valid point, other than the dogma which they wish to propogate. Their argument is baseless upon its face
as it lacks "Reason" and replaces the lack of such with "Emotion" and "Morality" in order to appeal to a similarly dogmatic crowd.
If you cannot make an argument from functionalism, reason or sheer scientific need or necessity, you will never sway your opponent. Likewise, you
will never understand the other side if you must pad your arguments with supernaturalist theism and appeal to morality.
The world is a cold, dark place. Reason is its light, yet it brings fear to those who long for the world to be ruled by emotion or absolutes.
We are a greyness bleaker and more varied than the mind can fathom.