Originally posted by David9176
I would like to see Michigan do this as well....but we have Granholm as governor.

Many people up here own guns...when she's out it would be a possibility...but it won't right now....not with the auto industry as it is especially.

Yep, Jenny is about as useless as they come. She's even more useless as late because she's all but slobbing Obamas knob for a federal job. I've got a feeling she's selling the State right out from under us to get one of those nice paying gigs.

Lets prey(and im not even religious) that the Ted Nuggent comes in and runs for governor. We could really use a few years of someone who actually respects the state.

As far as gun owners in Micihigan. I believe it's 2 million registered gun owners in the State. So yes, as someone else said, even one State can be considered a standing army in it's own right.

I just hope that Montana doesn't see a "mysterious" rise in gun crimes. I wouldn't put it past our Federal Government, to create a crisis in Montana involving gun crimes - just so they could say "We told you so."

The international treaty circumvention of the Constitution is already in play; what this and other States right laws are useful for is in making all make a choice: stand for your Constitutional rights or kneel as slaves. For this reason I applaud Montana, Oklahoma, and Texas for leading the way.

I love that Montana has taken this step. I hope many states follow, by passing laws affirming their 10th Amendment rights, strengthening our Constitution against international rule.

I do, however need to remind you all of a dark spot in our nation's history that recently occurred.

Remember last week when our Federal Government, in the guise of the DHS, HHS, et al... Practically surrendered to the WHO... A UN entity?

Just want to put in to (obvious) perspective how easily our populace can be made to submit.

Hopefully through constituent action, We the People can enact laws that will prevent our federal government from bending to the edicts of the UN so easily.

For Montana, this is a great step in the right direction. The people are being heard up in our great north.

Great Thread!

EDIT: grammar

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The Chief pudpuller is releasing interrogation data, is going after some of the legal advisors criminally, and in general, he is going to chase away all our intelligence service field agents.

The very idea of using a treaty to circumvent Constitutional law.

After all, if after years of doing something BY THE BOOK as an intelligence officer, and a new administration comes in and you discover that you are likely to face criminal charges, then you'll see our best agents retire or relocate where you don't actually have to do anything to earn your money.

Then again, maybe they'll go into firearm manufacturing. Or suppressor manufacturing. Or specialized ammo.

Isn't Barrett in Tennessee? I'll bet he's pushing Tennessee to adopt a similar measure.

Always nice to find some common ground with my right wing counter parts. Yes, a liberal who is ex military AND pro gun! Shocking, isn't it? There's a lot more of us than people realize.

So good on Montana, hope other states follow suit.

Although, I do not think the new administration has done anything other than mention the possibility of reinstating the assault weapons ban. I don't think there's any plan to do much on the table yet, but it's still early. Well, regardless...From my cold dead hand as they say.

And, the cat is kind of already out of the bag. Recent statistic show that Americans have bought enough guns and ammo in the first 3 months of 2009 to outfit the Chinese AND Indian armies combined. Local gun shops can't keep guns and ammo on the shelves. We bought a little 22 to plink around with last weekend..but we had to wait a couple of days because they were out of the background check forms! Ha!

Looks like people in the state of montana finnaly got there act together and did the right thing. I maintain that before I left montana or at least some parts of it were close to going to war over this very issue. Now all that needs to happen in the state of virginia needs to follow this example.

Falcon

OK, I'll go ahead & be the pariah of this thread... OK I'm a city kid who simply does not understand this cultural imperative & reverence of gun-ownership. Now, I'm not interested in taking away anyone's rights to own guns (AT ALL) but I just don't understand the fixation.. it seems like an adolescent hold-over that some people never grow out of. I guess most people (not all) who are REALLY INTO THEIR GUNS are living in a local culture that as a whole, never grows out of it either, so it's easier to maintain the collective fixation?

Personally I see guns as nothing more than a tool.. essentially a tool that makes killing things a lot easier.. or the threat of killing easier & so therefor a good defensive/intimidation tool (I'm discounting hunting weapons, as that seems to be a minority of the type of guns most people love to own).. but frankly those who need it to truly defend themselves tend to live in a city & most city dwellers don't really care about guns.

The whole idea that having guns is somehow going to scare the government from 'coming to get you' is a cultural vestige & frankly seems silly.. the days of David Koresch-style take downs is SO last century.. if they want to take you down (like seriously NWO style take-down) they will just point a red laser-dot on your roof & you go bye-bye.. people don't need to be involved anymore, other than the people who remotely control the unmanned drones..

I know this will seem elitist esp. to this crowd, but again, it just comes across to me that this is an adolescent fixation with things that go 'POP!' & gives the illusion of power to those who wield said 'power'.. & on a more archetypal, subconscious level, it seems like something that is meant to make other people think you have a bigger penis.. there, I said it. (I'm SORRY!) Same as the what makes the jerk on the road blow past another driver even though he is not in any real hurry, & innumerable other similar acts & 'trophies' of juiced-up manhood.

Basically, again, I just don't get it.

I should say, I live in St Louis, very high on the dangerous-crime list nationally.. & I love to party downtown until the late hours & luckily NEVER been mugged or even intimidated. But again, most city-dwellers (not all) aren't really 'into' guns. Seems like more a rural phenomenon, where hold-ups & muggings don't tend to be that common.

That being said, I have NO PROBLEM with you having your guns, & talking about your guns, & showing off your guns, & posing with your guns, et al.

To me it's just an alien culture that holds no appeal to me.. though I'm totally interested in hearing a real explanation as to why gun ownership is so important. Again, considering that your gun collection will most likely not even slightly intimidate a truly military force that may, for whatever reason, want to 'take you down'.

Frankly I just find it fascinating, similar to the fascination I feel for other cultures that baffle me. Except this one is in my own backyard!

Originally posted by PrisonerOfSociety
Forgive my ignorance, but how is this possible?

1. Doesn't the US constitution override any law in a state?

2. What about the supposed North American Union? Aren't they supposed be creating a super-state, so the NWO can amalgamate all nations under a common umbrella of one currency, one governance.

Personally, this is absolutely fantastic news

Governments around the World should be broken apart into little pieces and each state/county should embellish their own laws and regulations, as deemed appropriate by LOCAL people.

Some fat f**k bureaucrat behind a desk thousands of miles in Washington, should never, ever tell a farmer how to milk his cows.

This idea was first proposed and and than people saw how when the Confederacy broke off from the Union. It turned out to be a bad idea because than you have people from different states breaking the rules of others states if they are in the neighboring states(countries0. Also if the countries are broken into little pieces than there would only be local militia and police forces to defend any oncoming threat. as well as relying on total import because places like alaska can only export oil and snow, and who buys snow?lol

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Originally posted by CepheidVariable


Basically, again, I just don't get it.

I should say, I live in St Louis, very high on the dangerous-crime list nationally.. & I love to party downtown until the late hours & luckily NEVER been mugged or even intimidated. But again, most city-dwellers (not all) aren't really 'into' guns. Seems like more a rural phenomenon, where hold-ups & muggings don't tend to be that common.

That being said, I have NO PROBLEM with you having your guns, & talking about your guns, & showing off your guns, & posing with your guns, et al.

To me it's just an alien culture that holds no appeal to me.. though I'm totally interested in hearing a real explanation as to why gun ownership is so important. Again, considering that your gun collection will most likely not even slightly intimidate a truly military force that may, for whatever reason, want to 'take you down'.

Frankly I just find it fascinating, similar to the fascination I feel for other cultures that baffle me. Except this one is in my own backyard!

I don't even know what to say. Every person has a right to own a weapon and defend themselves. I've been to St. Louis many times because my mom is from there and hopefully in your life you will never have anything bad happen to you. If you can't understand why people want to own a weapon for any reason and historically its been the latest and greatest technology. If you can't understand why somebody wants to protect their family, even if they never ever use it or can't get to it in time to use it. The point is its there and ready(hopefully). I guess you never had anything or been with somebody worth fighting for. I personally like to defend my family, myself, my way of life (who are you to judge?) and my country. You can't do that without a gun and the ammo to go with it. People show off their cars all the time and I bet you have no problem with that. Cars kill more people than guns do. People like to show off their computers, their cell phones, mp3 players and even other people. I'm sure you like to show off something too. Who cares what it is?

If you don't get it, you just don't get it and most likely never will.

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Originally posted by CepheidVariable
OK, I'll go ahead & be the pariah of this thread... OK I'm a city kid who 4


Frankly I just find it fascinating, similar to the fascination I feel for other cultures that baffle me. Except this one is in my own backyard!

To sum up, protection from the government, the extreme right wing wackos, and home defense is why I have my guns. I'm not a huge gun nut, but I like having them, especially in this day and age. For a good idea of what can happen to a country with extreme gun control just look at the UK...becoming more and more like V for Vendetta every day. An armed populace gives the people the ability to overthrow and or protect themselves from a corrupt government.

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will end up plowing for those who did not." -Anonymous

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